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FAA reviewing football fly-over
http://www.charlotte.com/ ^ | 11/4/07 | MARK PRICE

Posted on 11/05/2007 4:33:19 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0

A 17-year-old Hopewell High student was apparently acting on a dare when he did a fly-over prank at a Hopewell High football game Friday, at one point dipping below the stadium lights.

Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools officials said Sunday that the teen pilot and two teen passengers flew the length of the field three times around 8 p.m. The plane reportedly came within feet of a flag pole.

On the final pass, a pair of tennis shoes and a football dropped from the single-engine Cessna 172 into the end zone, officials said.

The pilot, who apparently broke multiple federal aviation laws, is being investigated by the Federal Aviation Administration, Huntersville police and CMS.

“My immediate reaction was that we were going to have a terrorist act of some sort,” said Vincent “Bud” Cesena, head of CMS law enforcement, who was among the 4,000 people in the stands.

“Then, as he circled, you saw that it was kids in the plane, and I was hoping it that it was just some kind of prank. I was thinking to myself: ‘Should I empty the stands and risk someone being trampled or see what happens?’ I knew for sure someone would get hurt if I emptied the stands.”

Witnesses say the plane came within 75 feet of an embankment at the field at the school on Beatties Ford Road in Huntersville.

The plane flew low enough that Cesena and several Huntersville police officers were able to take down the tail numbers and call them into Charlotte/Douglas International Airport.

It was quickly identified as being rented from Lincoln County Regional Airport. That’s where Lincoln County sheriff’s deputies were waiting when it landed.

Detained at the airport for questioning were the 17-year-old pilot who had rented the plane and his passengers, another 17-year-old Hopewell student and an 18-year-old Hopewell graduate.

No charges had been filed as of late Sunday, officials said.

“It was a dare,” Cesena said. “They knew they were very much breaking the law. He’s a registered pilot and knows the consequences of this.” FAA spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen said that if it is proved that the pilot broke rules, his pilot’s license could be suspended or revoked.

The FAA requires an altitude of at least 1,000 feet when flying over a large group of people. Dropping the shoes and the football from the plane also may have been against FAA rules, Bergen said.

In addition, CMS officials are considering disciplinary action, said CMS spokeswoman Nora Carr.

If it can be proven that lives were endangered, those involved could face a minimum of a 10-day suspension and possible expulsion. “It’s a very serious thing, so I know a lot of folks are very, very concerned and are taking it seriously,” said Carr.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airplane; cessna; plane; teen
"On the final pass, a pair of tennis shoes and a football dropped from the single-engine Cessna 172 into the end zone, officials said"

Does that count as a field goal or a touch back?

1 posted on 11/05/2007 4:33:19 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

There’s got to be video of this somewhere.


2 posted on 11/05/2007 4:35:36 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (The WOT will end when pork products are weaponized)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Gee dad....aren't you glad you paid for all those lessons?

Remember how proud you were when he did his first solo?

3 posted on 11/05/2007 4:37:03 AM PST by laotzu
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Wow, 10 whole days suspension!!! The horrors!!!

All three should be spending the next 10 years behind bars.


4 posted on 11/05/2007 4:37:08 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0


Here's a Cessna 172
5 posted on 11/05/2007 4:39:49 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

A 17 year old can rent an airplane, to fly at night without an adult?

Can he even do that with a car?


6 posted on 11/05/2007 4:40:39 AM PST by chrisser
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To: mtbopfuyn

Ten years behind bars? For a triple fly over?

Glad I don’t live in your world. A hefty fine, paid for by the kid doing community service, and a suspension of his pilots license ‘till he is 21 would suffice...


7 posted on 11/05/2007 4:41:05 AM PST by sit-rep
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Does that count as a field goal or a touch back?

If NFL rules, they'd be cited for celebrating in the endzone.

8 posted on 11/05/2007 4:42:26 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Detained at the airport for questioning were the 17-year-old pilot who had rented the plane and his passengers, another 17-year-old Hopewell student and an 18-year-old Hopewell graduate.

My nephews had their pilot's licenses when they were teens, but I find it odd that you can rent a plane (as a minor) but you can't rent an car until you're 25.

9 posted on 11/05/2007 4:42:41 AM PST by dawn53
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To: mtbopfuyn

“Well, as of this moment, they’re on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION! “


10 posted on 11/05/2007 4:43:21 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (Life is Good!)
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To: mtbopfuyn; Rb ver. 2.0

It’s more likely that these young men will go to jail than that they’ll be expelled from Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools. They’ve got students there with multiple assault arrests, drug dealer, rapists ...


11 posted on 11/05/2007 4:43:49 AM PST by Tax-chick (When my mother ship lands, you're all toast!)
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To: sit-rep; mtbopfuyn
I’m so glad none of us did any of that “sounded good at the time” stupid stuff when we were kids.

We were perfect little Angels.

Well, I wasn’t.

I’ll bet the friend did a little of the “I bet you can’t”, “Yes, I can”, “No, you can’t” stuff.

Long weekends at community service suspension of the license for a few years should fit the crime.

12 posted on 11/05/2007 4:48:20 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

The question is, was it a Double-Dog Black-Eyed Dare, because if it was the pilot really had no choice in the matter, and should face no punishment.


13 posted on 11/05/2007 4:49:36 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

I’d sign these kids up for the Air Force tactical fighter squadron. These kids have the right stuff!


14 posted on 11/05/2007 4:49:53 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: gridlock
Col. Chappy Sinclair is NOT happy!


15 posted on 11/05/2007 4:51:09 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (The WOT will end when pork products are weaponized)
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To: PeteB570
I’m so glad none of us did any of that “sounded good at the time” stupid stuff when we were kids... We were perfect little Angels.

I'm sure we weren't breaking any laws when we did those donuts in the middle of Athleton's field the week before our away game there. 'Course, that was back in the day when student beater cars still had rear wheel drive...

16 posted on 11/05/2007 4:55:57 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Does that count as a field goal or a touch back?

Sounds like they lost possession of the ball in their own end zone. Did the other team recover?


17 posted on 11/05/2007 4:57:51 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Turbopilot

Grr...went too fast for the purposes of my own joke. Shoulda been, “did the ball go out of bounds after?”


18 posted on 11/05/2007 5:01:34 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
The last time I saw a Cessna 172 buzz a football stadium, it stalled out and crashed in the upper deck of Memorial Stadium ('76 Colts-Steelers playoff game).

My friends and I were drowning our sorrows about five sections over while we casually watched the plane sputter, spin and settle on a bunch of empty seats. No fires, no explosions. Best line: "Hey, he better have a ticket stub."
19 posted on 11/05/2007 5:03:00 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Ten whole years and nobody got hurt? Thats extreme.Suspend his licence for a couple of years maybe and I think that is way too much.Dont worry the FAAAAAAAA will make him wish he had never been born.


20 posted on 11/05/2007 5:04:15 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

"Son, your ego is writing checks your body can't cash."

21 posted on 11/05/2007 5:05:27 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Fortunately for all, the ill conceived prank didn’t end badly.

Buzzing a stadium is a very bad idea.

Baltimore – Memorial Stadium – Baltimore Colts vs the Pittsburg Steelers

One highly unusual incident was the crash of an airplane on the stadium premises. This occurred on December 19, 1976, just minutes after the conclusion of an NFL playoff game with the Pittsburgh Steelers. A small plane buzzed the stadium, and then crashed into the upper rows of the upper tier of seating. Fortunately for the spectators in that area, the Steelers had won the game handily (40-14), and most of the fans had already exited the stadium by the time the game ended. There were no serious injuries, and pilot Donald Kroner was arrested for violating plane safety regulations – Wikipedia.

My brother was at this game and had been sitting only one section away from where the plane crashed. My mother and I had watched the game on TV and then the news reports came on. Since this was BCP (before cell phones) we had no way of contacting my brother to see if he was OK. When my brother came home we were much relieved. He hadn’t heard about the crash but wasn’t all that surprised as this idiot had been buzzing the stadium for much of the fourth quarter.

A few years later some idiot in a private jet buzzed our neighborhood early one Sunday morning. It scared the Bejesus out of us. I was inside and heard this terrible roar and the house actually shook; dishes rattled and pictures nearly came off the wall. My mom and I dove to the floor. For a minute we thought WWIII had started and it was a Russian missile attack.

I went outside to see what was going on and he came back again and I saw him flying at ridiculous speed within a few yards of the roof tops.

The pilot was found and arrested and he lost his pilot’s license. He was some very wealthy guy who lived in N. Baltimore County horse country who had a private landing strip on his property and was going on a joy ride with his new “toy”.
22 posted on 11/05/2007 5:11:47 AM PST by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Recruit them for Top Gun!


23 posted on 11/05/2007 5:13:31 AM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: Thrownatbirth

See my post 22. “Hey, he better have a ticket stub.” LOL!


24 posted on 11/05/2007 5:15:17 AM PST by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

I’m not sure about the NFL rules, but in Canada it would be a single point- field goals have to be kicked off the ground.


25 posted on 11/05/2007 5:31:04 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Caramelgal

If I recall, the stadium pinhead turned out to be a real whack job. He finally did prison after stealing a Greyhound bus and was caught trying to hide it in his mom’s backyard.


26 posted on 11/05/2007 5:31:26 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: Caramelgal

I checked the NTSB accident report board, and it shows that the pilot, flying a Piper PA-28 Cherokee, “attempted to land in the stadium after the game”, then failed to clear the end zone stands on an attempted go-around. I suppose this could go in the books as “failed field goal”.


27 posted on 11/05/2007 5:31:51 AM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: dawn53
I find it odd that you can rent a plane (as a minor) but you can't rent an car until you're 25

No mystery here because (1) the under-25 rule is set by the insurance companies, not the law and it's cheaper to insure an rental aircraft than to insure a rental car; and (2) renting to minors is a necessity for the flight schools because every student pilot has to rent the planes for the solo exercises.

28 posted on 11/05/2007 5:34:12 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: gridlock
I'm sure we weren't breaking any laws when we did those donuts in the middle of Athleton's field the week before our away game there.

You mean trespassing and intentionally damaging private property isn't against the law?

29 posted on 11/05/2007 5:36:10 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Does that count as a field goal or a touch back?

A field goal has to cross through the goal posts, so this one is probably a touchback.

Based on the ages of the participants, it's also possibly the first story in a long line of "Hold my Red Bull and watch this" stories.

30 posted on 11/05/2007 5:39:32 AM PST by Bernard ("Rare, Safe and Legal" - what an ideal Immigration Policy should look like.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

The FAA will probably pull his license for busting minimums over an inhabited area.


31 posted on 11/05/2007 5:41:27 AM PST by Wil H
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
"He WAS a registered pilot and knows the consequences of this.” "
32 posted on 11/05/2007 5:46:20 AM PST by Gorzaloon (Food imported from China = "Cesspool + Flavor-Straw")
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To: Squawk 8888
You mean trespassing and intentionally damaging private property isn't against the law?

Of course we were breaking the law. We were young and stupid and breaking the law. That is the whole point.

33 posted on 11/05/2007 5:54:47 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: chrisser
A 17 year old can rent an airplane, to fly at night without an adult?

17 years old is the youngest you can get a pilot's license. I got mine when I was 18. I also got my multi-engine when I was 18. I could go rent anything I was qualified on at that point.

34 posted on 11/05/2007 6:08:16 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: PeteB570
the friend did a little of the “I bet you can’t”, “Yes, I can”, “No, you can’t” stuff.
IOW, just the sort of stuff that gets kids killed when a teenage driver has teenage passengers. That's why parents no longer are willing to allow their kids to have teenage passengers - so why was it allowed in an airplane?

35 posted on 11/05/2007 6:10:39 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Rennes Templar

Speaking of the Air Force. I was at the Fresno State v Utah State game on Saturday. During the national anthem two, yes two, B1B bombers flew together over the stadium. Low and slow. Loved it!


36 posted on 11/05/2007 6:21:48 AM PST by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: Liberty Valance
“My immediate reaction was that we were going to have a terrorist act of some sort,” said Vincent “Bud” Cesena, head of CMS law enforcement, who was among the 4,000 people in the stands.

'Bud' Cesena, no relation to Cessna 172.

37 posted on 11/05/2007 6:35:48 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Suspend the pilot from school ... ten send him to the astronaut program at NASA. :)

"Who's the best pilot I ever knew?..."


38 posted on 11/05/2007 6:49:43 AM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: Caramelgal
Back in 1997, Neil Anderson (USAF Retired then) picked up one of his toys from Breckenridge, Tx and did two 50' off the deck passes of Hicks Airport (N Fort Worth) @ 400 mph in his F-86 Sabre.

He passed away a year ago.

39 posted on 11/05/2007 7:19:31 AM PST by Deguello
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To: gridlock

Sorry, I should have realized the /sarcasm tag was implicit.

When I was a kid most of my stupid illegal pranks involved homemade explosives. I don’t even want to think of what the response would be like now...


40 posted on 11/05/2007 7:41:40 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: 6ppc; chrisser
17 years old is the youngest you can get a pilot's license.

That's the minimum age for a PPL. Additionally, there is the Recreational Pilot Permit (1 passenger max) with a minimum age (in Canada) of 16, and the Student Pilot Permit (solo only) with a minimum age here of 14.

41 posted on 11/05/2007 7:44:23 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Enterprise

Very cool. I’m jealous. During the national anthem at the local Montana State - Northern Arizona game, a couple of sparrows flew over the crowd.


42 posted on 11/05/2007 7:47:13 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Squawk 8888
When I was a kid most of my stupid illegal pranks involved homemade explosives.

I always told my kids that I used to have six fingers on each hand, but blew one finger off each with explosives back when I was a kid.

The believed me until they were about 10. Of course, according to their mother, that sounds like something I would do...

43 posted on 11/05/2007 8:01:47 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Squawk 8888
17 years old is the youngest you can get a pilot's license.

That's the minimum age for a PPL.

That's the minimum age for a PPL with an Airplane rating. The Glider rating is 14/solo and 16/certificate. (I knew some kids who did this, but unfortunately I didn't go for it myself.) Also, while I think you can get a student pilot certificate in the U.S. at 14, you still have to be 16 to solo.

</FAR nitpicking>

44 posted on 11/05/2007 8:03:26 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Turbopilot

I’m not sure about the US rules, but here no permit of any kind is required (nor are there age restrictions) for dual flying; a student permit is required to solo. Like the USA, the ages I cited were for the Aeroplane category; the minimum age for PPL- Glider is 16.


45 posted on 11/05/2007 8:22:45 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Wow, 10 whole days suspension!!! The horrors!!! All three should be spending the next 10 years behind bars.

No kidding! He sure gave this guy a tough decision to make.

“Then, as he circled, you saw that it was kids in the plane, and I was hoping it that it was just some kind of prank. I was thinking to myself: ‘Should I empty the stands and risk someone being trampled or see what happens?’ I knew for sure someone would get hurt if I emptied the stands.”

46 posted on 11/05/2007 8:27:56 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: The Duke; Samurai_Jack; Deguello
Recruit them for Top Gun!

Suspend the pilot from school ... ten send him to the astronaut program at NASA. :)

This kid may have some good flying skills and some great big kahoohnas (something that a good fighter pilot needs) but I would hope he has a lot more growing up to do and demonstrates a lot better judgment and maturity and understanding of personal responsibility and integrity in the future before our Navy or USAF would consider him for flight school.

The military is a great place for kids with spirit but our military is not and should not be a reform school for malcontents, sociopaths and criminals.

We sure don’t need more Lisa Nowak types in NASA.

Maybe this kid was only engaging, one time, in what he thought was a harmless prank and if so, he shouldn’t be punished too severely.

But if he has a past pattern of flaunting the law and the safety of others, I don’t think he is military material.
47 posted on 11/05/2007 10:49:38 AM PST by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: Samurai_Jack

Negative Ghost Rider, the pattern is full....


48 posted on 11/05/2007 10:54:07 AM PST by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: Caramelgal

WRONG FIELD??!!

49 posted on 11/06/2007 3:22:01 PM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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