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Quebec's toxic identity debate
The Star ^ | Nov 03, 2007

Posted on 11/05/2007 10:23:44 AM PST by Lorianne

Across Canada, people of goodwill are cringing as Quebec's identity debate turns toxic. Premier Jean Charest served blunt notice this week that politicians are "fanning the flames of intolerance" toward cultural and religious minorities, and promoting a "siege mentality." That may sound alarmist to those who have not followed the debate. But Charest had reason to speak out. And not a minute too soon.

Consider Quebec's two opposition leaders. Mario Dumont of the Action Démocratique party argues that Quebec is "pretty much at capacity, in terms of intake," and wants to block increases in immigration. Parti Québécois Leader Pauline Marois, for her part, wants to bar newcomers who do not speak French from running for public office.

This unwelcome mat is drawing attention. "People in the rest of Canada, in the United States and in France are wondering what's going on in Quebec, where we've earned a reputation for openness and tolerance," says Charest. He's right. The optics are terrible.

And they are getting worse. After fighting an election in which "reasonable accommodation" of cultural and religious groups was a hot button, Charest invited a spasm of anti-immigrant fearmongering by naming two academics to tour the province sounding people out on just how far Quebec should go to make minorities feel welcome. The answer for many Quebecers is, not very far.

At public hearings, commissioners Gérard Bouchard and Charles Taylor have presided over a festival of fear, bigotry and ignorance.

"In 100 years I don't think there will be many Québécois left," one man fretted, mourning the implausible extinction of Quebec's Catholic, francophone identity. Another complained about the cost of providing Jewish kosher foods in shops. There were calls to ban Muslim head scarves and Sikh ceremonial daggers. And to thwart immigrants from "taking over" Montreal neighbourhoods by forcing them to settle in the back country. One city councillor invoked the spectre of women being stoned in the streets.

An anxious teacher suggested Christians might soon have to "wear yellow crosses," as Jews wore yellow stars under the Nazis.

It even got to the absurd point this week where a lawyer complained that Montreal Canadiens captain Saku Koivu – a Finn who struggled to learn English – was showing "contempt" by not addressing the fans in French, which he has yet to master.

Understandably, minorities in Quebec have been "spooked" by this "open, unchallenged intolerance" and "explicit racism," says Fo Niemi, co-founder of the Centre for Research-Action on Race Relations.

Their concern was underlined by a Léger Marketing poll that reported 56 per cent of Quebecers want minorities to abandon their cultural practices. Elsewhere in Canada, 20 per cent hold that obnoxious view.

Sadly, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservatives have not been above mining these seams of intolerance. They have tabled a bill forcing Muslim women to unveil their faces to vote, absent any evidence that fraud-by-veil is a problem. Worse, this needless targeting of a minority was abetted by the federal opposition parties.

This collective folly confirms the identity debate is out of hand.

Canada has welcomed 7 million immigrants over the past 40 years, vastly enriching our society. We are a more productive, cosmopolitan nation as a result. And what "accommodations" have Canadians been asked to make? Getting used to Sikh Mounties wearing turbans, seeing a few graceful mosques and temples sprout in vacant fields or parking lots. Accepting that some pious Muslim women cover their heads, as nuns once did, and still do.

This is not to deny that strains can arise in any society that undergoes rapid transformation. In Ontario, Premier Dalton McGuinty has drawn lines against allowing Muslim sharia law in the family arbitration process, and against more publicly funded religious schools. Canadians do not shrink from debating "reasonable accommodation" when the need arises or from affirming collective values. At the same time, we will not tolerate preaching hatred in the name of religion.

Canada needs more immigrants, not fewer, and we should welcome them with open minds and hearts, in the same generous Confederation spirit that "accommodated" Protestants and Catholics, English and French, when our nation was founded. Ontario took in 125,000 immigrants last year, far more than the 45,000 who went to Quebec, without the same unhealthy anxiety about "us" and "them."

During the hearings this week commissioner Bouchard felt moved to point out that Quebec's future lies in "tolerance and sharing," not walling itself off from newcomers and the world. Wise words. They cannot be repeated too often, in Quebec – or across this country.


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: canada; labelleprovince; lafrancophonie; quebec

1 posted on 11/05/2007 10:23:45 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

“Canadians do not shrink from debating “reasonable accommodation” when the need arises or from affirming collective values. At the same time, we will not tolerate preaching hatred in the name of religion.”

Yeah - sure. Until the bombs start going off...

Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal. Easter celebrations are illegal. It is punishable by death for a non-mulsim to enter the “holy” muslim cities of Medina and Mecca.

Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam.

Egypt - Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith (up to and including death). Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship.

Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution. The country has passed the “Regulation of Religious Practice” law, which stipulates a punishment of two to five years’ imprisonment and heavy fines for anyone convicted of urging a Muslim to change his religion.

Syria - The constitution requires the president to be a Muslim and specifies that Islamic jurisprudence is a principal source of legislation. Sharing your Christian faith is discouraged as “posing a threat to the relations among religious groups” and carries a penalty of up to life in prison. A Christian is not allowed to proselytize – ever. Churches who want to hold an extra service must get a government permit. Sermons are routinely monitored, as is church fundraising.

Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.

Sudan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.

Pakistan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims. Christians regularly put in prison for charges of blasphemy. Islam is the state religion, and in a court of law the testimony of a Christian carries less weight than that of a Muslim. Section 295(c) of the Penal Code calls for a death sentence for anyone who defiles the name of the Prophet Muhammad and requires the testimony of four Muslims for a conviction. This fosters an environment in which Muslims can feel free to use intimidation and violence against religious minorities for personal gain. Also, if any criminal Muslim rape with any Christian female and then take plea that she has accepted Islam and marry with him. Such person is not culpable under Pakistani criminal law

Qatar - Islamic instruction is compulsory in public schools. The government regulates the publication, importation, and distribution of non-Islamic religious literature. The government continues to prohibit proselytizing of Muslims by non-Muslims.

Malaysia - Under Malaysian law, any convert to Christianity must apply to a shariah (Muslim law) court to legally renounce Islam. Many Christians prefer to remain silent converts rather than take their battle to the shariah courts, where apostasy or conversion out of Islam is punishable by whipping, fines, imprisonment and—in the most extreme application—death. In a country where Muslims account for more than half of the population, conversion from Islam is punished with a 5-year prison sentence and a $3,000 fine. A Malaysian Muslim who marries a non-Muslim and who converts the non-Muslim to Islam is rewarded with an apartment, a car, a one-time payment of $2,700, and a monthly stipend of $270.

The Maldives - In the island paradise visited by tens of thousands of tourists each year, Christianity is simply not tolerated. While local Christians – said to number around 300 out of a total population of 300,000 – do get together to worship, they do so at the risk of imprisonment or worse if discovered by the Muslim authorities. Bibles are banned, and tourists can be arrested for trying to bring them into the country.

England - Bradford, Yorkshire, UK. Pop. 300,000 - 20% Islamic. Local police required to tell community elders the location of girls who run away to escape arranged marriages. Bars and liquor stores in the Lumb Lane / Manningham Lane area of the city ‘requested’ to close on Fridays. Schools, colleges, and health clinics have to have separate areas for women, with a copy of the Koran available. Public critcism of Islam or it’s adherents, such as letters to the local paper, emails to friends, speeches etc, can and has led to criminal charges ‘Using words intentionally and wilfully to cause fear, hate, or distress. Christmas decorations not to be put up, as this may make the Moslems feel ‘culturally overshadowed’. Shops ‘requested’ not to display easter eggs for the same reason. The term ‘requested’ means not legally enforceable but local police warn that they cannot intervene if your premises get ‘damaged’ somehow. Local councillors and MPs have encouraged all this for the past 15 years. Bradford Northwest MP Ann Cryer regularly appears with long sleeves and her head covered. She once stated that women in Islam are properly liberated and that Islam is an example to us all.


2 posted on 11/05/2007 10:27:20 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

If this is a Toronto (Red) Star editorial; then I have to assume that les Québécois are right. My head hurts.


3 posted on 11/05/2007 10:36:26 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Lorianne; GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; conniew; backhoe; -YYZ-; Former Proud Canadian; Squawk 8888; ..
Toronto Star ping.


4 posted on 11/05/2007 11:44:19 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Lorianne
Canada has welcomed 7 million immigrants over the past 40 years,

LOL is that all? We have twice that many “illegal aliens”.

Canada needs more immigrants, not fewer, and we should welcome them with open minds and hearts, in the same generous Confederation spirit that "accommodated" Protestants and Catholics, English and French, when our nation was founded.

Not to worry Canada, as soon as the US cracks down on our immigration policies you will have more that enough streaming across the 49th parallel. Its already started.

5 posted on 11/05/2007 11:58:30 AM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: Lorianne

E Tabarnac!


6 posted on 11/05/2007 12:01:36 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: usurper

That is an enormous number- we only have a total population of ~32 million. Imagine that number of immigrants arriving in California over the same period and you’ll get an idea of the scale.


7 posted on 11/05/2007 12:48:07 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Squawk 8888

The most amazing thing of this article is that Premier Charest popped out from hiding under his desk to actually make a statement. Charest -— the pink ghost.


8 posted on 11/05/2007 12:57:55 PM PST by CanaGuy (Canada the Great)
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To: usurper

Yeah, right. The Quebecer Catholics and English Protestants “accomodated” my French Huguenot ancestors right out of Canada.


9 posted on 11/05/2007 2:24:57 PM PST by VanShuyten ("Believe me or not, his intelligence was perfectly clear...But his soul was mad.")
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To: Lorianne
I think Quebec's French culture and language is secure. Next year, the province will be celebrating the 400th anniversary of the founding of Quebec City. Je me souviens!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 11/05/2007 2:26:48 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: VanShuyten

Well, the English Prods also kicked the French out of Acadia (aka the Maritimes), which is why Louisiana is the most Catholic state south of the MD line.


11 posted on 11/05/2007 2:28:06 PM PST by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Clemenza
There are still Acadians in New Brunswick and Ontario has a large population of Francophones in areas close to Quebec. There is no question about Canada's identity as a bilingual society.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

12 posted on 11/05/2007 2:30:59 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
I seem to remember Hull (near Ottawa) had a large Francophone population. Heard alot of Mandarin when I used to go to Vancouver on the weekends, but little French.

I seem to remember that decades after the expulsion, many Acadians returned to the maritimes.

13 posted on 11/05/2007 2:34:09 PM PST by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Clemenza
Well, the English Prods also kicked the French out of Acadia (aka the Maritimes), which is why Louisiana is the most Catholic state south of the MD line.

Actually, the Expulsion only involved a small segment of the population. They were given the choice of taking an oath of loyalty or leaving. My ancestors took the oath which is why I'm not in Louisiana. As a side note, I've got lots of *very* distant relatives (~20 generations removed) in the USA due to this; according to a documentary made a while back, every North American with my surname is descended from the same couple who arrived in Port Royal (now Annapolis, NS) during the 1540s.

14 posted on 11/05/2007 7:21:04 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: goldstategop

Also lots of Francophones in Northern Ontario, especially in Sudbury and north of there. IIRC they’re the legacy of the Voyageurs who made their way up through the Ottawa Valley.


15 posted on 11/05/2007 7:23:13 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Clemenza

Many Acadians never left the Maritimes, as they chose to take the oath to the Britain. Hardly surprising, because Bourbon France was a hellhole that almost makes the Middle East seem civilized.


16 posted on 11/05/2007 7:25:19 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: goldstategop

Lots of francophones in NS as well, although most of the Acadians had been anglicized by the middle of the 20th century. The last member of my family to speak French as a first language was my grandfather, who died in the 1950s.


17 posted on 11/05/2007 7:27:20 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Lorianne
Canada has welcomed 7 million immigrants over the past 40 years, vastly enriching our society.

Ha!

18 posted on 11/05/2007 7:27:47 PM PST by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Squawk 8888
The Bourbons are notorious for providing Europe with the most incompetant and corrupt monarchs, whether in France, Spain, or Portugal.

Of course, I have to be careful, as I will be visiting a Bourbon ruled country in two days. JuanCa isn't too bad. His son Felipe, however...

19 posted on 11/05/2007 7:28:25 PM PST by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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