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To: CutePuppy
You should read all the details about the case in question. It's kind of hard to make the case that there's no "there" there when the Pentagon official in the case (Larry Franklin) has already pleaded guilty to a number of charges and is serving 12 years in a Federal prison.

It's worth noting that Franklin's lawyers originally tried to have the evidence against him thrown out, on the grounds that the FBI did not have proper cause to conduct the surveillance operation against him that was used to gather the evidence to charge him. The FBI's response was pretty remarkable. It turns out they never had any proper cause to conduct a surveillance operation against him at all -- nor did they ever intend to investigage him in the first place. The FBI operation was aimed at the AIPAC people all along, and they only learned of Franklin's crimes during the course of their AIPAC investigation.

You might also want to talk to someone with a background in U.S. intelligence. You might be shocked at what they have to say about a group like AIPAC.

10 posted on 11/09/2007 9:30:51 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Article actually covers that aspect (Franklin):

The Pentagon official, Lawrence Franklin, who illicitly furnished the two men with secrets, and then participated in an FBI sting operation against them, has pleaded guilty for his part in the affair and was sentenced by federal judge T.S. Ellis III to more than 12 years in federal prison. When Lawrence Franklin passed on classified information to the two defendants, he lacked such authorization, which is why he is a felon. But given how routinely classified information is dispensed for legitimate purposes, how were Mr. Weissman and Mr. Rosen to know that Mr. Franklin was telling them things he was not allowed to tell them and involving them in his crime? The answer is: They could not know.

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Yes, protecting classified information is crucial to our national defense. But the law is narrowly and properly tailored to protect innocent people from becoming ensnared by it.

That's not too far from Fitzgerald's witch hunt of Libby disclosing "classified" status of Valerie Plame or Carl Rove and others being "involved" because reporters called them to confirm information they already knew.

Ellis is the same judge who is trying this case :

In the AIPAC case, an equal or even higher barrier to successful prosecution exists. In order to convict, Judge Ellis has ruled, the prosecutors must prove the defendants had a long laundry list of "mental states," indicative of culpability. They not only had to be acting in bad faith, but had to know that the information they received was classified and closely held.

and from http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1920199/posts

U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III said the lobbyists have a right to argue that "they believed the meetings charged in the indictment were simply further examples of the government's use of AIPAC as a diplomatic back channel."



>>The FBI operation was aimed at the AIPAC people all along, and they only learned of Franklin's crimes during the course of their AIPAC investigation.<<

That is exactly what I said : they were charged because of who they are, not what they did; they are being Nifonged and Fitzgeralded. I don't mind intelligence surveying a group like AIPAC or other lobbying groups, like CAIR at all; actually I wish they watched groups like CAIR better (but would they dare to bring charges against someone just because, or especially because they belong to such a group - another case of who vs what,) but there has to be a crime and intent of a crime on their part and in this case there wasn't.

>>You might also want to talk to someone with a background in U.S. intelligence. You might be shocked at what they have to say about a group like AIPAC.<<

No, I would not be shocked at what intelligence guys tell me about these groups - they all deal in information that sometimes is not available from New York Times or Washington Post, which doesn't mean it's really "classified" - that's exactly why this case and cases like this are doing so much damage to DoJ (if that's even possible anymore) and, more importantly, to our [selective] justice system. At least, Franklin got what he deserved, but this case is purely in Nifong/Fitzgerald category. DoJ would do better to go after NYT - the "journalists" (as opposed to "lobbyists") knew and deliberately disclosed top secret (not just "classified", whatever that means anymore) information. Maybe lobbyists should "register" themselves as "journalists" and avoid this type of prosecutions altogether.

11 posted on 11/09/2007 10:56:15 AM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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