Skip to comments.TWA 800 FOIA Suit Yields Smoking Gun
Posted on 11/06/2007 9:21:21 AM PST by neverdem
More than six years after retired United Airline captain Ray Lahr launched his Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) petition into the fate of TWA Flight 800, the FBI has shown himlikely by accidentone seriously smoking gun.
The Boeing 747 blew up off the coast of Long Island on July 17, 1996. One of the FBI documents received recently by Lahr and his attorney, John Clarke of Washington DC, details a communication that took place six days after the crash:
"On Tuesday, July 23, 1996, a representative from the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) advised [the FBI] that after a visual analysis of both the videotape as well as a number of still photographs taken from various portions of the tape, the phenomenon captured by [name redacted] appeared to be consistent with the exhaust plume from a MANPAD [Man-portable air-defense] missile."
The FBI guy who looked at this must not have read it, or not have realized what it would reveal, says Lahr. Otherwise he would have redacted most of it as before.
Adding a new level of intrigue to the investigation is the fact that the video in question appears to have been shot on July 12, 1996, five days before the crash.
The earlier, unedited FBI document reports that a fellow and his friend on Long Island were attempting to videotape the sunrise when they saw and recorded a grey trail of smoke ascending from the horizon at an angle of approximately 75 [degrees].
So compelling was the visual that the fellow made a comment to his friend, heard on the tape, They must be testing a rocket. The fellow calculated that object was heading towards the Atlantic Ocean.
On the document Lahr first received, the story of the video ends right there. The next two paragraphs had...
(Excerpt) Read more at cashill.com ...
I saw Jack Cashill on C-Span over the weekend. I forgot to post the story then. I remember seeing the video at the time and later being told it was an optical illusion. Topping it off was the unlikely explanation that it was caused by a faulty design in the fuel tanks that never happened before, and that the fuel tanks needed to be redesigned, IIRC.
That tape was supposed to go to the Clinton library. Sandy, get your baggy pants!
And besides, center fuel tanks blow up on their own all the time... especially in the Philippines and Indonesia.
60 Minutes did a segment on Enron and the gas line deal in India in 1998. When the connection to the White House was made, they showed File Footage of the Bush Administration.
I believe that this was indeed an act of terrorism or a naval exercise gone wrong.
However, this article does nothing to lend credence to my theory.
“Bill Clinton would never lie about ... “
you can stop the sentence right before “about” and we know its false. clinton would lie about ANYTHING.
Adding to the intrigue? Well, no, actually... in order to add to the intrigue I would think that the missile would have to have been fired *on* the day of the crash. A missile track five days before the crash is... not involved.
The first manpad launch was too far out and the airliner was too high.
The second manpad launch was 5 or so days later and made no such err.
Sadly, our National Defenses did not correctly detect and defend the U.S. homeland from the second attack.
The first attack is one thing to excuse...it’s the second launch that downed TWA 800 that should have had General Wesley Clarke and his peers fired.
Isn’t there enough on Gorelick yet to put her in jail?
Can somebody explain that last picture....the one of the President and Air Force One? What is circled in red and what does it mean? Thanks.
I knew it. Surprised it wasn’t properly covered up.
Yea, I saw the video too. I wonder if it is still around. Didn’t look like an optical illusion to me.
If you put together a ping list on this, please do include me.
It’s part of the airplane’s self-defense system.
It protects against IR guided missles.
Thanks for the links.
This is World Net Daily, so that in itself is a “grain of salt”.
I would say that this paragraph doesn’t mean much. Just because at 1 point (early) they said it looked like A, doesn’t mean they could not discredit A later with ALL the evidence and call it B.
This doesn’t mean I don’t believe something besides “faulty 747” happened there; just that this is not what I’d qualify as “smoking gun”. It’s not good evidence.
cashill scores another hit....
We should ask Jim Kalstrom, he will tell us the truth. Sarcasm on!
IMHO, it's more evidence that they tried to sell us a bill of goods. This was a flight to Paris and the fuel tank was supposed to be empty or almost empty. It doesn't pass the smell test, IMHO.
And for THAT, the FBI basically put him and his wife in PRISON.
I can never trust the gov't again in the same way I did before.
Fishing trawlers dragging the harbor also found the MANPADS ejector can —that’s the rapid-burn thing that boosts the missile out of the launcher in such a way to provide for a launch that doesn’t burn the terrorist.
I heard Jack Cashill on Coast-to-Coast live one saturday night. This was early september. I am not convinced a manpad was use.
Until better “evidence” is presented, I accept the fuel tank issue, which was corrected on Air Force one.
I have though from the beginning that FL800 was shot down by a hand launched missile of some type. Wing tanks do not explode on their own, except on B-24’s.
One thing is certain: There have been a lot less acts of terrorism perpetrated against us since W put Saddam out of the terrorism business.
If I remember correctly, the FBI said that the aircraft was used to transport militery personnel and equipment to and from Gulf War 1. Hence the reason for the explosive residue.
Especially his conversation with Gorelick after which the FBI shut down all investigation into missile involvement.
I also remember that a weekly news magazine (Time / US News and World Report or something similar) covered this story. It told of a P3 and a C-130 being in the area and cited that the explosion ocurred around 8,000 feet. 3 weeks later, the same magazine printed a different story saying that the aircraft was at more than 13,000 feet. Sort of saying that it was out of reach of a shoulder fired missile. When the second version came out, the government spin artists were hard at work.
Air Force One has been fixed.
It was fixed by 1999.
When was the last time any class of airliners were ordered grounded immediately as a result of any crash? 727? 737? DC-10? L-1011? 757? 767? Any of them?
Just out of curiousity. Where is Jamie Gorelick now?? President of some university? as are most Clintanoids (well those not prematurely deceased).
The whole TWA 800 investigation was a sham and stunk.
This leads one to the logical conclusion that there is a cover-up by the most corrupt CIC in the history of this country.
Time to have the Burglar take the polygraph and then waterboarded!
That same 747 had flown non-stop from Athens to New York that day. By comparison a flight from New York to Paris was a short hop and there is no reason why the center fuel tank should have been filled. If you're not going to need the fuel then why fill it and drag all that extra weight with you?
It appears to document that some form of missile testing was taking place in the area just five days before the TWA 800 incident. I’m about 50/50 wondering if some group was going “Oh shit!” or “Praise be to Allah” on the 17th.
It has already been established that tests in the area were being conducted by the military; so a video of evidence of it 5 days before the 747 crash is perfectly consistent and totally irrelevant.
Or did I miss something here?
I should add, I’m 0% convinced that the center fuel tank blue due to some design flaw.
The first launch (irrelevant) is on tape; the second (if it ever happened) is not.
Fevered fantasies or paranoia are not documentation.
Gorelick's history of selling us a bill of goods, who shot it down?
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