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TWA 800 FOIA Suit Yields Smoking Gun
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | August 30, 2007 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 11/06/2007 9:21:21 AM PST by neverdem

More than six years after retired United Airline captain Ray Lahr launched his Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) petition into the fate of TWA Flight 800, the FBI has shown him—likely by accident—one seriously smoking gun.

The Boeing 747 blew up off the coast of Long Island on July 17, 1996. One of the FBI documents received recently by Lahr and his attorney, John Clarke of Washington DC, details a communication that took place six days after the crash:

"On Tuesday, July 23, 1996, a representative from the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) advised [the FBI] that after a visual analysis of both the videotape as well as a number of still photographs taken from various portions of the tape, the phenomenon captured by [name redacted] appeared to be consistent with the exhaust plume from a MANPAD [Man-portable air-defense] missile."

“The FBI guy who looked at this must not have read it, or not have realized what it would reveal,” says Lahr. “Otherwise he would have redacted most of it as before.”

Adding a new level of intrigue to the investigation is the fact that the video in question appears to have been shot on July 12, 1996, five days before the crash.

The earlier, unedited FBI document reports that a fellow and his friend on Long Island were attempting to videotape the sunrise when they saw and recorded “a grey trail of smoke ascending from the horizon at an angle of approximately 75 [degrees].”

So compelling was the visual that the fellow made a comment to his friend, heard on the tape, “They must be testing a rocket.” The fellow calculated that object was heading towards the Atlantic Ocean.

On the document Lahr first received, the story of the video ends right there. The next two paragraphs had...

(Excerpt) Read more at cashill.com ...


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Was 'TWA FLIGHT 800' [1996, where 230 Americans were killed] an ISLAMIC TERROR attack?

I saw Jack Cashill on C-Span over the weekend. I forgot to post the story then. I remember seeing the video at the time and later being told it was an optical illusion. Topping it off was the unlikely explanation that it was caused by a faulty design in the fuel tanks that never happened before, and that the fuel tanks needed to be redesigned, IIRC.

1 posted on 11/06/2007 9:21:23 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

That tape was supposed to go to the Clinton library. Sandy, get your baggy pants!


2 posted on 11/06/2007 9:24:16 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: neverdem
Kooks, crazies, conspiracy theorists... Bill Clinton would never lie about terrorism. Especially in an election year.

And besides, center fuel tanks blow up on their own all the time... especially in the Philippines and Indonesia.

3 posted on 11/06/2007 9:26:15 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: neverdem

60 Minutes did a segment on Enron and the gas line deal in India in 1998. When the connection to the White House was made, they showed File Footage of the Bush Administration.


4 posted on 11/06/2007 9:26:22 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: neverdem

bfl


5 posted on 11/06/2007 9:26:54 AM PST by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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To: neverdem
While the search for the truth in this is worthwhile in and of itself; sadly, it will never bring back my beloved TWA.
6 posted on 11/06/2007 9:27:59 AM PST by Uriah_lost ("I don't apologize for the United States of America," -Fred D Thompson)
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To: neverdem

I believe that this was indeed an act of terrorism or a naval exercise gone wrong.
However, this article does nothing to lend credence to my theory.


7 posted on 11/06/2007 9:28:28 AM PST by JerseyDvl (If You Support America - Thank a Soldier; If You Support Al-Qaeda - Thank a Democrat!)
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To: neverdem

Cashill BUMP!


8 posted on 11/06/2007 9:30:05 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: massgopguy
On Aug. 22, 1996, just before the Democratic National Convention,
to protect the Clintons (rather than America), Ms. Gorelick oversaw a critical Justice Department meeting with the FBI.
Immediately after this meeting, as it happened,
all serious inquiry into the fate of TWA 800 came to an end.

Gorelick was instrumental in the corruption of TWA Flight 800 terrorism investigation
Did Clinton appointee corrupt Flight 800 probe?

9 posted on 11/06/2007 9:31:14 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

“Bill Clinton would never lie about ... “

you can stop the sentence right before “about” and we know its false. clinton would lie about ANYTHING.


10 posted on 11/06/2007 9:31:25 AM PST by RolandBurnam (foxnews: what's so conservative about car chases and missing white women?)
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To: neverdem
Adding a new level of intrigue to the investigation is the fact that the video in question appears to have been shot on July 12, 1996, five days before the crash.

Adding to the intrigue? Well, no, actually... in order to add to the intrigue I would think that the missile would have to have been fired *on* the day of the crash. A missile track five days before the crash is... not involved.

11 posted on 11/06/2007 9:32:19 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: neverdem

The first manpad launch was too far out and the airliner was too high.

The second manpad launch was 5 or so days later and made no such err.

Sadly, our National Defenses did not correctly detect and defend the U.S. homeland from the second attack.

The first attack is one thing to excuse...it’s the second launch that downed TWA 800 that should have had General Wesley Clarke and his peers fired.


12 posted on 11/06/2007 9:32:48 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Diogenesis

Isn’t there enough on Gorelick yet to put her in jail?


13 posted on 11/06/2007 9:33:27 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: neverdem; All

Can somebody explain that last picture....the one of the President and Air Force One? What is circled in red and what does it mean? Thanks.


14 posted on 11/06/2007 9:34:57 AM PST by toldyou
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To: neverdem

I knew it. Surprised it wasn’t properly covered up.


15 posted on 11/06/2007 9:35:22 AM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: neverdem

Yea, I saw the video too. I wonder if it is still around. Didn’t look like an optical illusion to me.


16 posted on 11/06/2007 9:37:04 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: neverdem

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17 posted on 11/06/2007 9:37:37 AM PST by sourcery (Referring a "social conservative" to the Ninth Amendment is like showing the Cross to Dracula.)
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To: neverdem

If you put together a ping list on this, please do include me.

Thanks.


18 posted on 11/06/2007 9:39:12 AM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt - get install FRed Thompson)
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To: toldyou

It’s part of the airplane’s self-defense system.


19 posted on 11/06/2007 9:40:12 AM PST by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: aviator

Thank you!


20 posted on 11/06/2007 9:41:05 AM PST by toldyou
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To: toldyou
This thing?

It protects against IR guided missles.

21 posted on 11/06/2007 9:45:35 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: Diogenesis

Thanks for the links.


22 posted on 11/06/2007 9:46:10 AM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

This is World Net Daily, so that in itself is a “grain of salt”.

I would say that this paragraph doesn’t mean much. Just because at 1 point (early) they said it looked like A, doesn’t mean they could not discredit A later with ALL the evidence and call it B.

This doesn’t mean I don’t believe something besides “faulty 747” happened there; just that this is not what I’d qualify as “smoking gun”. It’s not good evidence.


23 posted on 11/06/2007 9:46:21 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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cashill scores another hit....


24 posted on 11/06/2007 9:47:28 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: null and void

Thank you.


25 posted on 11/06/2007 9:49:14 AM PST by toldyou
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To: neverdem

We should ask Jim Kalstrom, he will tell us the truth. Sarcasm on!


26 posted on 11/06/2007 9:56:57 AM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
This doesn’t mean I don’t believe something besides “faulty 747” happened there; just that this is not what I’d qualify as “smoking gun”. It’s not good evidence.

IMHO, it's more evidence that they tried to sell us a bill of goods. This was a flight to Paris and the fuel tank was supposed to be empty or almost empty. It doesn't pass the smell test, IMHO.

27 posted on 11/06/2007 10:01:30 AM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
He and his wife (I believe) somehow got ahold of a piece of seat fabric from the crash debris recovery hangar, did HPLC on it (or some assay) and the results were that the sample was covered with RDX or some chemical consistent with explosives, like from a missile.

And for THAT, the FBI basically put him and his wife in PRISON.

I can never trust the gov't again in the same way I did before.

28 posted on 11/06/2007 10:03:56 AM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Fishing trawlers dragging the harbor also found the MANPADS ejector can —that’s the rapid-burn thing that boosts the missile out of the launcher in such a way to provide for a launch that doesn’t burn the terrorist.


29 posted on 11/06/2007 10:06:04 AM PST by gaijin
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To: neverdem

I heard Jack Cashill on Coast-to-Coast live one saturday night. This was early september. I am not convinced a manpad was use.

Until better “evidence” is presented, I accept the fuel tank issue, which was corrected on Air Force one.


30 posted on 11/06/2007 10:06:27 AM PST by Perdogg (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Southack

I have though from the beginning that FL800 was shot down by a hand launched missile of some type. Wing tanks do not explode on their own, except on B-24’s.


31 posted on 11/06/2007 10:06:33 AM PST by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: neverdem

One thing is certain: There have been a lot less acts of terrorism perpetrated against us since W put Saddam out of the terrorism business.


32 posted on 11/06/2007 10:07:15 AM PST by Blue State Insurgent (Thompson Democrats)
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To: neverdem
The whole investigation into TWA Flight 800 is a sham. Crimes were committed both in the bringing down of the plane and the subsequent cover up. It is my belief this crime goes to the very top of the Clinton Administration. Hopefully someone will get to the bottom of this prior to next years elections.
33 posted on 11/06/2007 10:07:25 AM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: gaijin

If I remember correctly, the FBI said that the aircraft was used to transport militery personnel and equipment to and from Gulf War 1. Hence the reason for the explosive residue.


34 posted on 11/06/2007 10:09:17 AM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: NY Attitude

Especially his conversation with Gorelick after which the FBI shut down all investigation into missile involvement.


35 posted on 11/06/2007 10:10:31 AM PST by Stayfree (*************************Get your FLUSH HILLARY T-shirt at FLUSH HILLARY.com!!!)
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To: Uncle Hal
The whole investigation into TWA Flight 800 is a sham.

prove it.
36 posted on 11/06/2007 10:14:19 AM PST by Perdogg (Elections have consequences.)
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To: neverdem
Has the government ever explained why 747’s worldwide were not grounded immediately after the TWA flight 800 “crash” to implement a center fuel tank fix - including Air Force One? No.Because it is (was) not needed.The whole investigation left too many questions unanswered, especially with the Clintons in the White House at the time. Maybe Sandy Burglar knows.
37 posted on 11/06/2007 10:17:27 AM PST by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: Stayfree

I also remember that a weekly news magazine (Time / US News and World Report or something similar) covered this story. It told of a P3 and a C-130 being in the area and cited that the explosion ocurred around 8,000 feet. 3 weeks later, the same magazine printed a different story saying that the aircraft was at more than 13,000 feet. Sort of saying that it was out of reach of a shoulder fired missile. When the second version came out, the government spin artists were hard at work.


38 posted on 11/06/2007 10:17:44 AM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: toldyou
Good question.
39 posted on 11/06/2007 10:17:55 AM PST by Churchillspirit (We are all foot soldiers in this War On Terror.)
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To: Apercu

Air Force One has been fixed.
It was fixed by 1999.


40 posted on 11/06/2007 10:20:20 AM PST by Perdogg (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Apercu
Has the government ever explained why 747’s worldwide were not grounded immediately after the TWA flight 800 “crash” to implement a center fuel tank fix - including Air Force One?

When was the last time any class of airliners were ordered grounded immediately as a result of any crash? 727? 737? DC-10? L-1011? 757? 767? Any of them?

41 posted on 11/06/2007 10:25:18 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: purpleraine

Just out of curiousity. Where is Jamie Gorelick now?? President of some university? as are most Clintanoids (well those not prematurely deceased).


42 posted on 11/06/2007 10:25:46 AM PST by rod1
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To: Perdogg

The whole TWA 800 investigation was a sham and stunk.
This leads one to the logical conclusion that there is a cover-up by the most corrupt CIC in the history of this country.
Time to have the Burglar take the polygraph and then waterboarded!


43 posted on 11/06/2007 10:28:18 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: neverdem
This was a flight to Paris and the fuel tank was supposed to be empty or almost empty. It doesn't pass the smell test, IMHO.

That same 747 had flown non-stop from Athens to New York that day. By comparison a flight from New York to Paris was a short hop and there is no reason why the center fuel tank should have been filled. If you're not going to need the fuel then why fill it and drag all that extra weight with you?

44 posted on 11/06/2007 10:28:22 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: JerseyDvl

It appears to document that some form of missile testing was taking place in the area just five days before the TWA 800 incident. I’m about 50/50 wondering if some group was going “Oh shit!” or “Praise be to Allah” on the 17th.


45 posted on 11/06/2007 10:30:47 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: neverdem
Tinfoil material.
Gheeeez!

It has already been established that tests in the area were being conducted by the military; so a video of evidence of it 5 days before the 747 crash is perfectly consistent and totally irrelevant.

Or did I miss something here?

46 posted on 11/06/2007 10:31:32 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: JerseyDvl

I should add, I’m 0% convinced that the center fuel tank blue due to some design flaw.


47 posted on 11/06/2007 10:31:38 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: iopscusa
I agree with the third sentence.
48 posted on 11/06/2007 10:33:58 AM PST by Perdogg (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Southack
The first attack is one thing to excuse...it’s the second launch that downed TWA 800 that should have had General Wesley Clarke and his peers fired.

Moonbat logic.
The first launch (irrelevant) is on tape; the second (if it ever happened) is not.

Fevered fantasies or paranoia are not documentation.

49 posted on 11/06/2007 10:34:49 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961
Or did I miss something here?

Gorelick's history of selling us a bill of goods, who shot it down?

50 posted on 11/06/2007 10:37:24 AM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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