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Police Call Terrorizing Incident Hate Crime
WMTW.com ^ | Nov. 6, 2007 | WMTW

Posted on 11/06/2007 10:17:20 AM PST by como_1996

WATERVILLE, Maine -- Police said a white man's verbal assaults on a black man last month amounted to a hate crime.

According to police, Ralph Taylor pointed to his "white power" tattoo while taunting the black man on Oct. 20 and 21. The tattoo featured dual lightning bolts, a symbol associated with Adolf Hitler's SS corps.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: culture; hatecrime; maine; victimculture
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I'm sure Mr. Taylor is a racist thug but since when is pointing to a tattoo a crime?

Hey in the bizarro world of Maine you can give a 11 year old girl birth control pills but don't you dare point at your tattoo near a minority.

1 posted on 11/06/2007 10:17:21 AM PST by como_1996
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To: como_1996
Police Say Man's Verbal Assaults Amounted to a Hate Crime.

Of course it's a hate crime.....let me understand this, it's a hate crime when a white says something against blacks, but it's NOT a hate crime when blacks say something against whites....ok, I see, I get it now.

2 posted on 11/06/2007 10:19:37 AM PST by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: como_1996

How a person ‘feels’ is more important these days than what a person does. As for myself I could care less if someone curses at me. How does that hurt me?


3 posted on 11/06/2007 10:19:58 AM PST by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: como_1996

“Police Say Man’s Verbal Assaults Amounted to a Hate Crime.”

The police are wrong.


4 posted on 11/06/2007 10:23:16 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: rockabyebaby
Of course it's a hate crime.....let me understand this, it's a hate crime when a white says something against blacks, but it's NOT a hate crime when blacks say something against whites....ok, I see, I get it now.

You got it, so that makes you a "fart smeller" LOL

5 posted on 11/06/2007 10:23:27 AM PST by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: como_1996
Can I get offended at a Malcom X hat and get the guy arrested for a Hate Crime?
6 posted on 11/06/2007 10:24:12 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: como_1996

there are no hate crimes.

just newspeak and thought police.


7 posted on 11/06/2007 10:24:51 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: JEC
You got it, so that makes you a "fart smeller" LOL

LOL, sniff, sniff!

8 posted on 11/06/2007 10:25:37 AM PST by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: como_1996
Not enough information here to draw a conclusion one way or another.

Personally, I feel that hate crime legislation is racist in nature and biased as well. It is entirely subjective and should have no part in Law.

However, I have seen "White/Black/Brown Power" folks who deserve to have their teeth knocked down their throats. But who really knows what transpired here.

9 posted on 11/06/2007 10:26:27 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: como_1996

Crime is crime. This “hate” crime crap is for the birds and needs to find a garbage can.


10 posted on 11/06/2007 10:26:42 AM PST by avacado (RUMSFELD: "You have to go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want")
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To: como_1996
I would tell him to MY A$$!.............
11 posted on 11/06/2007 10:29:15 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: como_1996

So it’s perfectly legal to get the tatoo, this country has free speech........BUT this is a “hate” crime? Did he physically assault him?


12 posted on 11/06/2007 10:32:13 AM PST by tioga
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To: como_1996

I won’t hold my breath waiting for a similar response towards the black hoods flashing their gang tattoos at anyone who drives past their corner drug market...
.


13 posted on 11/06/2007 10:32:40 AM PST by CGTRWK
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To: como_1996

Here we go, a thought crime brought to you by “hate crime” laws. These police should be bitch slapped.


14 posted on 11/06/2007 10:34:11 AM PST by calex59
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To: como_1996
I suppose the "Amazing Racist" should stay out of Maine.
15 posted on 11/06/2007 10:34:18 AM PST by tioga
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To: como_1996

I thought this was about Dog the Bounty Hunter.


16 posted on 11/06/2007 10:36:11 AM PST by subterfuge (HILLARY IS: She who must not be Dismayed)
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To: CGTRWK

That’s racist. Please stay where you are while Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton rally their street troops to come picket you...


17 posted on 11/06/2007 10:41:51 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: tioga

Actually, “assault” can happen if you make the “victim” “feel” threatened. The next step is physical attack which makes the crime “battery.”


18 posted on 11/06/2007 10:42:59 AM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: rockabyebaby
let me understand this, it's a hate crime when a white says something against blacks, but it's NOT a hate crime when blacks say something against whites....

Correct! You see, the white guy with the tattoo has all the power and privilege racist America can provide him, which he owes to the unfair advantages he's gained by being white.

You don't think a black man of such high social stature could afford to go around showing off his tattoos, do you?

19 posted on 11/06/2007 10:46:07 AM PST by papertyger (changing words quickly metastasizes into changing facts -- Ann Coulter)
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To: como_1996

Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech...


20 posted on 11/06/2007 10:55:56 AM PST by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: como_1996

What if the black guy was wearing his NWA shirt? Good band, but reportedly NWA means either “No whites allowed” or “N-word with attitude”. What if the white guy was just responding to that shirt with his lightning bolts?

Is it like the NFL, do the 2 hate crimes offset themselves? Or does the white hate crime count for 15 yards and the black hate crime count for 10 yards?


21 posted on 11/06/2007 10:59:28 AM PST by jstassis
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To: como_1996
"Ralph Taylor pointed to his "white power" tattoo while taunting the black man on Oct. 20 and 21. The tattoo featured dual lightning bolts, a symbol associated with Adolf Hitler's SS corps"

Was the black guy Jewish?

Now I'm not saying Hitler was pro-black -- hell, neither was our country at one time. But anti-black is the last thing I think of when I see the SS symbol.

22 posted on 11/06/2007 11:00:29 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: como_1996
...dual lightning bolts ??

Obviously, the genius who wrote this article can't tell the difference between "lightning" and runes. Sheesh.

23 posted on 11/06/2007 11:01:02 AM PST by Legion
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To: rockabyebaby

Don’t make me break my foot off in yo’ cracka-a$$, ya cracka-a$$, cracka.

- Chris Rock


24 posted on 11/06/2007 11:01:22 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Although, that line is quite funny.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Don’t make me break my foot off in yo’ cracka-a$$, ya cracka-a$$, cracka. - Chris Rock

What you talkin' 'bout Willis, that's not racist!

25 posted on 11/06/2007 11:04:28 AM PST by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: CGTRWK

Sometimes a picture is best....

26 posted on 11/06/2007 11:05:22 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: mainerforglobalwarming

Sticks and stones can break my bones.....went out when “self-esteem” became the motto of public education.


27 posted on 11/06/2007 11:11:35 AM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever

Students are made to feel great about how poorly they’re doing in schools these days. What a country.


28 posted on 11/06/2007 11:13:07 AM PST by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: traderrob6
The police are wrong.

Doesn't matter if the case gets thrown out, they just ensured that the guy they arrested will spend thousands in legal fees to defend himself over this

29 posted on 11/06/2007 11:26:41 AM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: cbkaty; Charles Henrickson

Does that say “Magic Man” or Magic Juan”, I can’t tell.


30 posted on 11/06/2007 11:34:10 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: como_1996

In Taylor’s defense, I must point out that the double lightening bolts were stolen by Hitler from “Flash Gordon” movies. They also showed up in “Star Wars,” “Mary Poppins,” the “Our Gang” series, and in “Dumbo, Speaker of the House”.....


31 posted on 11/06/2007 11:49:40 AM PST by tracer
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To: VRWCmember

Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of tats...


32 posted on 11/06/2007 11:51:19 AM PST by tracer
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Tis in the eye of the beholder....


33 posted on 11/06/2007 11:52:19 AM PST by tracer
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To: PapaBear3625

From Miranda warning: “If you are unable to afford an attorney, one will be appointed to defend you”....


34 posted on 11/06/2007 11:53:45 AM PST by tracer
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To: como_1996

I would not say that it constitutes a crime, but if he had pointed to the tatoo and then physically threatened or hurt him then it would cross the line and be classified as a crime. The neanderthal in question is indeed in spirit a hateful person, who probably thrives on this twisted logic of his to justify his being. I have been on the receiving end of these racist rants: hey gook, chink, jap - you love long time? Plus my younger sister recently was on a receiving end of a racist rant from a white neanderthal - he blocked her in a shopping center parking lot and she kindly asked him to move, to which he replied: no, you f-—ng gook - little did he know that we were Japanese-Irish. My Father, may he rest in peace never wanted to hear about these incidents - he would always brush it off and say to get over it. I would respectfully disagree, because hateful words hurt and they wound deeply. Do I hate the white part of me, no but I get very frustrated and hurt when these ugly incidents happen. My Mother who is Japanese was told once by a very ignorant white person to go back where she came from and she has been in this country for over Fifty years!!!!!!! Where does this hateful ignorant racism come from? Where?????????/Just Asking - seoul62.......


35 posted on 11/06/2007 12:14:12 PM PST by seoul62 (e)
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To: seoul62

Here are more details from the Waterville newspaper.

http://morningsentinel.mainetoday.com/news/local/4443069.html


36 posted on 11/06/2007 12:27:40 PM PST by como_1996
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To: tracer

So......

you can’t tell either?


37 posted on 11/06/2007 12:30:11 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: como_1996
Officer Duane Cloutier, one of four civil rights officers at the Waterville Police Department, investigated the reports and obtained a warrant for Taylor's arrest.

Waterville, Maine a town with a population of about 16,000 and 96% white needs four civil rights officers???

38 posted on 11/06/2007 12:32:06 PM PST by como_1996
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To: rockabyebaby
And when four black guys rape and then murder a white couple, that is no hate crime??

10/29/2007 FR thread about Hate Crime in Tenneesee

39 posted on 11/06/2007 12:35:01 PM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I see it now — “Major Kidney”....


40 posted on 11/06/2007 12:36:03 PM PST by tracer
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To: rockabyebaby

Here’s another example of a hate crime and not a hate crime, and the reason why.

When a white person assaults (or even wins an argument with) a black person, it’s automatically a hate crime instead of a fist fight.

When 6 black men beat down a white person while shouting “Kill Whitey”, it’s not a hate crime, because they “lack the power to enforce their hatred”.


41 posted on 11/06/2007 12:38:30 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: como_1996

Now a person can go to jail when there is no assault. Just your words put you in jail. It didn’t take long from the time when “hate crime” laws were passed to get to this. Now the liberals are happy because that’s what they wanted in the first place.


42 posted on 11/06/2007 12:38:44 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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And when four black guys rape and then murder a white couple, that is no hate crime??

Um, no, that's not a hate crime,,,that's just poor angry black youths with no dad in the home, it's not their fault, they are a victim of society, if they were paid reparations this would not have happened....../sarcasm OFF.....

43 posted on 11/06/2007 12:39:37 PM PST by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: MrB

It’s pathetic isn’t it?


44 posted on 11/06/2007 12:40:42 PM PST by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: rockabyebaby

Besides, the left would tell you that the 4 rapists “lacked the power to enforce their hatred and bigotry” and therefore could not even be racist, let alone commit a hate crime.


45 posted on 11/06/2007 12:40:56 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: como_1996
I hate cops like that!

oops

46 posted on 11/06/2007 12:46:04 PM PST by woollyone (tazers...the 21st century version of the rusty bed frame, car battery, & clamps)
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To: como_1996; pandoraou812
hate crimes = thought crimes = 1984

Somebody tell me what the difference is!?!

47 posted on 11/06/2007 1:06:23 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Little Ray

You are right.


48 posted on 11/06/2007 1:14:55 PM PST by tioga
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To: Little Ray
"assault” can happen if you make the “victim” “feel” threatened

In most states, you need "an imminent threat of physical harm that is reasonable from the circumstances" (or something similar).

Pointing to a tattoo does nothing to make a reasonable person think that a weapon will be imminently produced and used...

Only liberal psychosis can make that leap. "He's pale, and has politically incorrect body modifications! He must be about to attack, because a person with a high melanin content is nearby! Run! Aiiigghh!"

49 posted on 11/06/2007 1:21:51 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317

Taunting someone and pointing to your White Power/SS tattoo, can amount to an “an imminent threat” against black, especially if he’s outnumbered by like-minded thugs. It sure sounds like the potential start of an attack - you know the idiot is working himself and his buds up to the attack.

Personally, I don’t like the hate crime part, but I might support assault.


50 posted on 11/06/2007 1:43:19 PM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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