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Role of Islam in Rwanda Genocide
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Posted on 11/07/2007 12:22:44 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

The other day I found a video that I couldn’t believe was put out by PBS Frontline.

It takes everything you’ve heard about the Rwanda genocide, with interviews and eyewitnesses and puts it all in one place.

It is fully online for free as far as I can tell:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ghosts/video/

As you know Rwanda is 1/10 the size of Colorado (10,000 sq miles vs over 100,000) but almost a million people were murdered there during the Clinton administration.

It is staggering that anyone with anything to do with government at the highest levels during this might still be in public service. This is truly a case of liberals gone wild and what happens when we put them in charge.

On a side note I recall reading somewhere that most of the Hutu leadership was Muslims but a couple of hours researching the role of religion in this all I can come up with are articles that say the Muslims were pure as the driven snow in this massacre.

In fact they were heroes to the extent that many are converting to Islam in Rwanda as a result.

I suspect that like everything the coverage might be biased so if anyone has any info on this please let me know...


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1 posted on 11/07/2007 12:22:44 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Christians have made quite an effort to restore Rwanda from its cycles of ethnic violence. Rick Warren and others have stressed the idea of constituting Rwanda as a Christian society.

In my view, the UN and other organizations consistently show themselves willing to prosecute Christians as perpetrators while consistently exonerating Muslims even though both have instances of blame. The Islamic genocide of Christian Southern Sudan is a perfect example of how the UN reconfigures violence to favor prosecution of Christians.

The fact that Rwandan principals have been without vigorous prosecution while nuns and Catholic authorities have been prosecuted is highly suspicious in my view. Why aren’t military officials more accountable. I wish Catholic nuns had been more brave in defending innocent life but there is some measure of difference between holding the machetes and guns that did the job and surrending to an overwhelming culture of intimidation and fear. These prosecutions strike me as a confirmation of UN bigotry against Christians and Jews. The Kosovo conflict is another example of the skewed criteria.

I think I could list others but I find this Washington Post rationalization of ‘Christians bad’ ‘Muslims good’ disturbing.


2 posted on 11/07/2007 12:33:53 PM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

The real intrigue was executed by the French Government. The Tutsi rebels, outside Rwanda, were speaking english. Rwanda was a former French colony and the Hutus were french speaking. The French armed the Hutu militias to keep Rwanda french-speaking. The French were the primary factor in blocking recognition of genocide and arrival of any outside troops to stop it. To be sure the Clinton Admin did nothing to stop the genocide, and also led efforts to keep it from being called genocide - the key person in that effort was the Liberal’s hero Richard Clark! The UN as usual did nothing. It was only the successful military operation of the Tutsi rebels that drove the Hutus out and stopped the genocide. To my knowledge, most of the people were “Christian” with the later tragedy that Hutu clergy would offer shelter to Tutsi refugees, then call in the Hutu militia to kill them.


3 posted on 11/07/2007 12:39:52 PM PST by scotiamor
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

It’s been awhile since I’ve studied the subject and wrote a few papers on it, so I don’t have a lot of sources here. But from what I remember, yes there were cases of Hutu Muslims being involved in the genocide. There was one notorius killer in particular whose name I cannot recall.

Rwanda is 90+% Christian. The conversions to Islam have more to do with a backlash against the role, or perceived role, of the Church just prior to and during the genocide. There were many accusations that church leaders were calling for ethnic cleansing and that they just stood by and did not help Tutsis who came to them when the genocide started.

And unfortunately there were some cases of nuns and priests actually participating in the killings. This often overshadowed the fact that there were others that did everything they could, at risk of their own life, to protect people. It left a very bitter taste in many mouths.

You also have to consider that many Tutsis who survived the genocide wanted to make sure they never went through that again. And since Muslims were not attacked, Islam offers somewhat of a safe haven.


4 posted on 11/07/2007 12:48:09 PM PST by elc
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

The media does all it can to protect the members of the cult of death. No surprise that we didn’t know the extend of the savagery they perpetrated.


5 posted on 11/07/2007 12:54:35 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: lonestar67
Rick Warren and others have stressed the idea of constituting Rwanda as a Christian society.

Rick Warren is making Rwanda a Purpose Driven society. This is not a Christian society...but something very different. It is a Peter Drucker inspired communitarian society.

A communitarian society is dependent on the three-legged stool - government, business and "faith communities" (Muslims, Buddhists, Christians, atheists etc.) working together, in reconciliation, to solve societal ills/problems.

6 posted on 11/07/2007 2:04:11 PM PST by pby
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To: scotiamor
Rwanda was part of a Belgian UN trusteeship (Ruanda-Urundi) before it became independent--I guess the Belgians used French rather than Flemish as a language of administration there.

My recollection is that Clinton more than any other individual prevented any outside intervention to stop the genocide...but maybe that gives too little credit to the French.

7 posted on 11/07/2007 2:06:53 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Thanks for your input.

That the Toon kept the UN and the US out is pretty clear.

But I kid you not this is being played up as an example of the ‘superiority’ of the Muslim faith over Christianity.

Check out for instance the Wash Post article here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html


8 posted on 11/07/2007 4:16:47 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

This is a great thing to show anyone thinking of supporting Hillary. See the link to PBS above.


9 posted on 11/07/2007 4:55:57 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: pby

Rick Warren is a Christian pastor. The Purpose he speaks of is Christ. I think Christianity is distinctly tolerant about other faiths and provides for the possible world that you describe. It is possible to set aside ethnic and ideological tensions and allow them.


10 posted on 11/07/2007 6:49:30 PM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

This is more and more disturbing the more I study it.

It seems clear that the first applications of the war crimes law in Belgium allowing genocide prosecutions for individuals outside that state were directed at Catholic nuns.

How can this be anything short of anti Catholic bigotry?

Even if the nuns did surrender refugees to Hutu murderers, how can that be the foremost basis for genocide convictions?

I am increasingly convinced that international law is predicated on making Christianity and Judaism crimes.


11 posted on 11/07/2007 6:53:53 PM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: lonestar67
I am increasingly convinced that international law is predicated on making Christianity and Judaism crimes.

Of course, that's the predicate. First you demonize, then you illegalize, then you exterminate. We've seen this before, Germany early 1930's, to be exact...

12 posted on 11/07/2007 11:06:46 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: lonestar67
Rick Warren is a Christian pastor.

I am very familiar with who he is (felt needs theology that produces an anti-gospel). I am also very familiar with his heretical associations and his Peter Drucker (communitarianism) inspired P.E.A.C.E. Plan.

Warren just changed the "P" in the P.E.A.C.E. Plan from "plant churches" to "promote reconciliation". In time, it will be obvious in regard to what message Warren will use to "promote reconciliation" and between what groups he will "promote reconciliation".The Purpose he speaks of is Christ.

Not when he goes into the synagogue and tells the Jewish leaders how to increase the synagogue's numbers as he did with Synagogue 3000. There it was the Christless Purpose.

I think Christianity is distinctly tolerant about other faiths and provides for the possible world that you describe. It is possible to set aside ethnic and ideological tensions and allow them.

If this is true, then, in Acts 17, why was anger for the city of Athens idol worship the catalyst for the Apostle Paul's evangelism?

If the Christian faith prescribes tolerance of other faiths, why does the Scripture show Paul, Peter, John, Jude and others warning and teaching against false teachers and their false teachings?

And...If Christ was so tolerant of other faiths, why did the Jews have him crucified?

Preaching of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ creates tension with the world and other faiths...It does not promote reconciliation with the world and other faiths.

13 posted on 11/08/2007 6:36:44 AM PST by pby
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I don’t think I disagree with your analysis.

The fact that Christianity is willing to allow the tension to exist as rhetorical is highly significant to me.

Jesus as the sole means of salvation undoubtedly creates tension and is intrinsic to the true gospel.

I did mean in the broader context of genocide that the international community is wrong to construe that tension as leading to genocide.


14 posted on 11/08/2007 8:04:48 AM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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