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CA: Los Angeles police plan to map Muslims
Yahoo ^ | Friday November 9, 2007 1 hour, 32 minutes ago | AP

Posted on 11/09/2007 9:35:27 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

LOS ANGELES - Civil rights advocates criticized plans by the Los Angeles Police Department to map the city's Muslim communities, calling it racial profiling.

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The LAPD's counterterrorism bureau plans to identify Muslim enclaves in order to determine which might be likely to become isolated and susceptible to "violent, ideologically based extremism," said Deputy Chief Michael P. Downing on Thursday.

"We want to know where the Pakistanis, Iranians and Chechens are so we can reach out to those communities," said Downing, who heads the counterterrorism bureau.

Downing said the plan is still in its early stages, but the LAPD wants to work with a Muslim partner and intends to have the data assembled by the University of Southern California's Center for Risk and Economic Analysis.

Downing testified about the plan before a U.S. Senate committee on Oct. 30.

In his testimony, Downing said his bureau wanted to "take a deeper look at the history, demographics, language, culture, ethnic breakdown, socioeconomic status and social interactions" of the city's Muslim communities.

There are an estimated 500,000 Muslims in Los Angeles, Orange and Riverside counties.

On Thursday, several Muslim groups and the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California sent Downing a letter expressing "grave concerns" about the program.

"Singling out individuals for investigation, surveillance, and data-gathering based on their religion constitutes religious profiling that is just as unlawful, ill-advised and deeply offensive as racial profiling," said the letter.

It was signed by representatives of the ACLU of Southern California; Muslim Advocates, a national association of Muslim lawyers; the Islamic Shura Council of Southern California and the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

The plan "basically turns the LAPD officers into religious political analysts, while their role is to fight crime and enforce the laws," said Hussam Ayloush, head of the Los Angeles chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who signed the letter.

However, another group, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, is considering working with the LAPD on the project.

"We will work with the LAPD and give them input, while at the same time making sure that people's civil liberties are protected," said Salam al-Marayati, the council's executive director.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; afineidea; cair; commonsense; finewithme; iapprove; islam; jihadinamerica; muslims; salamalmarayati; stopislamization; waronislamism

1 posted on 11/09/2007 9:35:30 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is interesting. Just a short while ago there was a post where the police were planning on mapping the Amish as well: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1923422/posts


2 posted on 11/09/2007 9:37:53 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: BurbankKarl; Brad's Gramma; jveritas; Grampa Dave; Cindy; lainie; A CA Guy; kellynla; pollywog; ...
Last night's thread:

CA: 12 arrested in counter-terrorism and drug-trafficking investigation

3 posted on 11/09/2007 9:39:57 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: highlander_UW

Sounds good to me!


4 posted on 11/09/2007 9:41:29 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is to protect them from the local yokels if there is another 9/11-like attack. I have a hunch they will need protection, and I wonder how vigorously they will be protected if a large number of people decide they know longer want them in our country.


5 posted on 11/09/2007 9:47:11 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Why is it racial? Aren’t a lot of muzzies caucasian?


6 posted on 11/09/2007 9:51:17 AM PST by Mercat (Waddle around and make new friends.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
to map the city's Muslim communities, calling it racial profiling.

Islam is not a "race".

7 posted on 11/09/2007 9:54:03 AM PST by montag813
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To: highlander_UW

The Amish story was a parody of this one. It even had the same deputy chief named.


8 posted on 11/09/2007 9:55:09 AM PST by KarlInOhio (May the heirs of Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski rise up again to defend Europe.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Somehow I just knew this was going to make it on FR...I was RIGHT!!!

The whole idea that the media got a hold of this to shine the light on this is almost laughable...

If anyone here believes that this has “not” been going on, and the investigations haven’t gone deeper than what is mentioned in this joke of an article...

I got some land out in Louisiana I wanna sell ya...

Everyone laughs about the whole black helicopter thing and the “clicks” on your phone lines and all that...Thats what they want you to pay attention to...And it works for the most part...


9 posted on 11/09/2007 9:56:44 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Well, it’s a start. There are a few races in the LA area that should be profiled but quick. Where are the violent murders taking place? Duh!

As one other person pointed out already, “Muslim” isn’t a race. It is a religion, which would also be problematic if it weren’t for the threat level potential.


10 posted on 11/09/2007 10:00:25 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hopefully they map them so they can zap them when it becomes necessary.
11 posted on 11/09/2007 10:30:18 AM PST by isrul (Lamentations 5:2)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It isn’t RACIAL profiling. Islam is not a race. Except to the Islamic Supremacists who see all kufir to be second class citizens and subhumans.


12 posted on 11/09/2007 10:34:13 AM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: DoughtyOne
It isn’t a religion. It is the political system instituted by a conquering warlord named Mohammed.
13 posted on 11/09/2007 10:34:59 AM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: weegee

While I agree that there are certainly aspects that reflect what you are saying, I still think it’s hard to support the case you are. With mosques all over the world and calls to prayer numerous times per day, I don’t see how you can deny that it is a religion. It may be a false religion, but it is a religion.

Do you disagree?


14 posted on 11/09/2007 10:42:08 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If they don’t like it they should be out protesting the terrorists - that’s whose fault it is. If the mysterious, reclusive, moderate muslim would protest and complain against the terrorists half as much as they do against Americans who are reasonably concerned for their saftey they might be able to get a posivitve movement started. If moderate muslims DO exist they better figure out real fast they will be the first victims of the massive (fear inspired) backlash which would occur should a small nuke or dirty bomb get set off in a major city. No, it won’t be right or reasonable but you can bet it will happen and it will be very very ugly.


15 posted on 11/09/2007 11:02:29 AM PST by joebuck
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This is a great plan. It's clear muslims need protection.

I think we should protect their bank acccounts, phone calls, places of worship, donations, magazine subscriptions...

We wouldn't want something bad to happen at their places of worship, ergo video cameras and mics in their places of worship. Let us be unstinting in our generous protection...!

We also want affidavits of their comings and goings, fingerprints, voice-scans, and other biometric data --maybe an ankle bracelet, too, come to think of it...

For their protection.

16 posted on 11/09/2007 11:12:32 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

You would think they would simply get this information from any of a variety of public and commercial demographic sources, but no, there must some grant money to spend on consultants to reinvent the wheel.


17 posted on 11/09/2007 11:15:28 AM PST by Deathmonger
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

Thanks E.


18 posted on 11/09/2007 11:16:46 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, November 8, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Map ‘em and tag ‘em.


19 posted on 11/09/2007 11:17:43 AM PST by InsensitiveConservative
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To: highlander_UW

Too funny...


20 posted on 11/09/2007 11:18:05 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, November 8, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: weegee
It isn’t a religion. It is the political system instituted by a conquering warlord sociopathic, caravan raiding, murdering pedophile named Mohammed.

Fixed it
21 posted on 11/09/2007 11:19:28 AM PST by Ragnar54
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
There are an estimated 500,000 Muslims in Los Angeles, Orange and Riverside counties.

That's half a million too many.

22 posted on 11/09/2007 11:32:39 AM PST by Max in Utah (If your neighbors habitually trespassed, wouldn't you want a nice tall fence with razor wire on top?)
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To: joebuck
Tomb of the Unknown Moderate Muslim

23 posted on 11/09/2007 12:01:41 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: gaijin
wouldn't it be simpler to prevent muslims from coming here in the first place?

For our protection.
24 posted on 11/09/2007 12:04:06 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ari-freedom

YOUR PLAN IS GENIUS..!


25 posted on 11/09/2007 12:05:06 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Mercat
Why is it racial? Aren’t a lot of muzzies caucasian?

Yep. The spokesman for CAIR (Ibrahim Hooper), for one. And of course lots of American blacks are Muslim as well. Islam isn't a race, it's a disease.

26 posted on 11/09/2007 12:07:01 PM PST by Mr. Mojo (“Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
On Thursday, several Muslim groups and the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California sent Downing a letter ...

"Civil Rights advocates?"

I have never had any respect for the American Civil Liberties Union, having "evolved(?)" from its original goal of defending communists during the 30s, but this new alliance with barely disguised enemy agent groups lowers the game to the absurd.

Of course enemies of the United States will feel prosecuted and intimidated, that's the whole point!

The rest of us do not feel deprived of any rights whatsoever, merely comforted that the job of shining light on the cockroaches is being done. It doesn't matter one whit to me if I am ever confused for a muslim, should I ever go insane and start behaving like one.

27 posted on 11/09/2007 12:09:06 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: 3AngelaD
and I wonder how vigorously they will be protected if when a large number of people decide they know longer want them in our country.

Shoot American or maggots? The national guard, or whomever are gonna have some tough choices to make.

28 posted on 11/09/2007 12:12:15 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: DoughtyOne

They face the head of the Islamic empire when they do that.

We face our flag at morning assembly in homeroom, baseball games, and other functions.

Do we worship our flag?


29 posted on 11/09/2007 12:46:59 PM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Mercat

They come in many different colors. Their playing the race card is pure shi’ite..


30 posted on 11/09/2007 12:51:08 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: DoughtyOne
While I agree that there are certainly aspects that reflect what you are saying, I still think it’s hard to support the case you are. With mosques all over the world and calls to prayer numerous times per day, I don’t see how you can deny that it is a religion. It may be a false religion, but it is a religion.

Do you disagree?

Yes, most emphatically, as do the overwhelming majority of people I know and speak with. I could attempt to reinvent the wheel and state my case, calmly and logically, but someone else has done it more thoroughly than I have been able to do. Religion must be more than the simple claim that it exists, and the presence of hundreds of places of "worship". Obviously, even you would agree that if all mosques revealed their true purpose and bristled with machine guns RPGs and explosives, regardless of how many there are, that they were not really a "religion".

Check out the calmer reasoning:

Civilized Religion

Do you disagree?

31 posted on 11/09/2007 1:04:09 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: gaijin
"We also want affidavits of their comings and goings, fingerprints, voice-scans, and other biometric data --maybe an ankle bracelet, too, come to think of it... "

Don't forget the DNA- might be that that's all that remains after say a terrorist explosion/incident.

33 posted on 11/09/2007 1:55:35 PM PST by matthew fuller (Crop-circles, killer rabbits and UFO'S are caused by GLOBAL WARMING!)
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To: weegee

No, but we’re not praying either. I believe the are facing their holiest of shrines though.


34 posted on 11/09/2007 2:05:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: montag813
"Islam is not a "race"."

It's a lethal infection.

35 posted on 11/09/2007 2:19:16 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Publius6961

Yes, actually I do. As far as I am concerned the U.S. Government should have no power whatsoever to stop poligamy as long as the poligamists were observing all other laws. That may be a severely flawed opinion, but I do not see any grounds for the federal government to enforce it’s will on this matter.

What if it is deemed by the majority of our leaders that Sunday is the only true sabbath? Do we then allow it to dictate to religions in the U.S. that they either change their day of observence or they will lose their properties and periferal rights?

Was Abraham of old loved of God or not? What about Jacob?

I do believe the writer makes a lot of sense concerning the Muslim religion and it’s views on allowing people free will to join or leave it and other religions. And the idea that they should be able to kill as a part of their religious observance is also a no-brainer for me. If the government wishes to address that matter, I don’t have a problem with it. But outside that, I do believe the Muslem faith is a bonified religion.

As a general rule I do see the Muslim faith as a reglion. Where it can be shown that the leadership supports killings, I support taking whatever legal means possible to remove them from places where they can spread their views.

Like I said, I may be wrong, but that’s my take on it.

There are very few limitations I would impose on religion from a government standard. And I’ll admit there are some religions I could mention that severely push my buttons on this issue, and one of them is central to the beliefs of the Hollywood degenerates.


36 posted on 11/09/2007 2:32:17 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Map ‘em so when the time comes, zap ‘em.


37 posted on 11/09/2007 3:53:39 PM PST by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Once the mapping is done, the Navy can bring the New Jersey near Santa Monica or Long Beach and let a few cruse missiles fly targeting those neighborhoods. Cool!


38 posted on 11/09/2007 4:34:01 PM PST by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: jws3sticks
The old lady lays quietly at berth along the New Jersey Camden waterfront. It would take a hundred million dollars to refit her for sea duty. She had been totally stripped down for her voyage from the pacific to her final resting place. I boarded her for a tour a few years back with my Marine nephew. She doesn't even have the Harpoon Missile launching pads left.
At least she got a few good rounds in on the mussies during Operation Desert Storm. Her mighty main turrets shall never again shudder in anger at our enemies. How sad.
39 posted on 11/09/2007 6:42:31 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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To: Marine_Uncle
I just love the Iowa class battleships. I just picked a picture with a launch. What a wonder of power and technology those beauties were back in WWII. There on one in the mid-60’s, the USS Washington, BB 56 moored in the Navy Yard in Bremerton, WA. It was magnificent.

My dad was in the Navy in WWII, as were many of my family over the generations.

My dad was seriously injured at Iwo Jima, but lived until he was 84. The properly earned Purple Heart earned him the privilege to be in Arlington today.

Enough of that, and thanks for the message.

John

40 posted on 11/09/2007 7:12:49 PM PST by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I don’t see a problem with this.


41 posted on 11/09/2007 7:18:16 PM PST by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If the Muslims/Islamics want to stay off the LAPD’s radar...
they better get Illegal Immigrant status as soon as possible!


42 posted on 11/09/2007 7:19:04 PM PST by VOA
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To: jws3sticks
I salute your dad's service to our country. I am sure moth balling then de-commissioning those great ladies broke the heart of many a sailor's heart.
My uncle worked on the electronics, (install, testing) on the Jersey while in the Philadelphia navy yard those many years back. He went on the maiden voyage, to repair any failures that might have taken place on various systems.
Have a great day.
43 posted on 11/10/2007 5:49:32 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Map em and ship em back to whereever they came from.


44 posted on 11/10/2007 6:42:40 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: jws3sticks

Impressive.Nice pic.


45 posted on 11/10/2007 8:05:44 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Has anyone read the latest in WorldNetDaily?

Doesn’t look too good!

D.C. imam declares Muslim takeover-plan
Washington-based cleric working toward ‘Islamic State of North America’ by 2050

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58616


46 posted on 11/10/2007 7:59:59 PM PST by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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