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Ron Paul supported the PLO terrorists
The Ron Paul Political Report | Volume 1 Number 1 | Ron Paul

Posted on 11/09/2007 12:34:47 PM PST by LSUfan

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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Coming up with reasoned opposition is hard. Name calling is easy.

The thing is, I'm not even "defending" Dr. Paul, I'm defending the Constitution and the promise of individual liberty it was meant to protect. It is entirely Paul's fault that most of his positions line up with the same view.

101 posted on 11/11/2007 8:11:12 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Hhmm.... started doing some digging on these. Do you know why Ron Paul stopped publishing this "newsletter"? Apparently, he went on vacation and a disgruntled staffer put out a dozen of these "newsletters". At least, that is the story being circulated. The guy was fired on Paul's return.

Paul disavowed these over a decade ago and had enough proof then to get elected to the US House. Not sure what is going on now, but the DailyKoS is all over this one.

Kind of an odd day when supposed FReepers and KoS Kiddies are on the same side...

102 posted on 11/11/2007 8:28:07 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: MEGoody
My Congressman John Culberson disagrees. He said in my presence that he would have preferred a declaration of war, but that the Bush administration told him that a declaration of war would require certain actions which they did not want to take, such as closing the border, not trading with certain countries giving aid or trading with Iraq, and others things that I don't remember.

You can take that up with Culberson and many other conservatives who feel the same way.
103 posted on 11/11/2007 9:45:46 AM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; LSUfan
Still mao-maoing like a good little Marxist?

Nothing that you or anyone has ever posted in any way says that Ron Paul said that American soldiers committed war crimes are called for them to be prosecuted for war crimes. That is a lie, and you and LSUfan are liars.

Was it true that American soldiers killed uniformed Iraqi soldiers trying to surrender? And if it is true, do you approve of that?

Do you Remember Goliad?
104 posted on 11/11/2007 9:52:40 AM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Iwo Jima
Still mao-maoing like a good little Marxist?

There honestly isn't any response possible to this sort of frothing, wild-eyed, over-the-top splutting than outright laughter, and a silent, inward prayer of thanks that whatever halfway house you're typing from is situated someplace far, far away.

My genuine sympathies to your parents.

105 posted on 11/11/2007 10:09:09 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
You don’t even know what Goliad means, do you?
107 posted on 11/11/2007 10:31:35 AM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: xagent003

The second stage of cultism, no sense of humor for your supreme leader.

Pray for W and Our Victorious Troops


108 posted on 11/11/2007 10:34:54 AM PST by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: Iwo Jima

“but these vile, personal, and false attacks makes it look like you are afraid that he is going to win.....”

I don’t know about LSUfan, but I think it is more likely that many people are afraid his half-a**ed, nutty uncle released from the basement precense distracts from real debate regarding legitimate presidential contenders rather than his not-a-chance-in-hell campaign. There....vile and personal enough for ya skippy?


109 posted on 11/11/2007 10:50:14 AM PST by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Bogtrotter52
Not vile, but entirely too personal and not at all helpful to a mature adult conversation. The “nutty uncle in the basement” meme is what you people have seized upon to avoid rational discussion. It is what keeps you from understanding what the Ron Paul phenomenon is all about.
110 posted on 11/11/2007 10:55:25 AM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Iwo Jima

“phenomenon”?????

Yeah right. His campaign is really taking off. It’s sweeping the nation. LOL! Is he out of the single digits yet? By phenomenon do you mean as defined in the dictionary, as a “fact, occurance, or circumstance observed or observable”..???? or “something that impresses the observor as remarkable”...???? The first just says his being in the race is indeed a fact. I’ll go along with that. The second seems to say that you may find him “remarkable”. Judging by the poll numbers, its a small group who do. But then, there are people on the other side who think Kucincich is a phenomenon.


111 posted on 11/11/2007 11:17:57 AM PST by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: MEGoody

The last time Congress declared war was on December 11, 1941, against Germany in response to its formal declaration of war against the United States. This was accomplished with wording that took less than one-third of a page, without any nitpicking arguments over precise language, yet it was a clear declaration of who the enemy was and what had to be done. And in three-and-a-half years, this was accomplished. A similar resolve came from the declaration of war against Japan three days earlier. Likewise, a clear-cut victory was achieved against Japan.

Many Americans have been forced into war since that time on numerous occasions, with no congressional declaration of war and with essentially no victories. Today’s world political condition is as chaotic as ever. We’re still in Korea and we’re still fighting the Persian Gulf War that started in 1990.

The process by which we’ve entered wars over the past 57 years, and the inconclusive results of each war since that time, are obviously related to Congress’ abdication of its responsibility regarding war, given to it by Article I Section 8 of the Constitution.

Congress has either ignored its responsibility entirely over these years, or transferred the war power to the executive branch by a near majority vote of its Members, without consideration of it by the states as an amendment required by the Constitution.

Congress is about to circumvent the Constitution and avoid the tough decision of whether war should be declared by transferring this monumental decision-making power regarding war to the President. Once again, the process is being abused. Odds are, since a clear-cut decision and commitment by the people through their representatives are not being made, the results will be as murky as before. We will be required to follow the confusing dictates of the UN, since that is where the ultimate authority to invade Iraq is coming from – rather than from the American people and the U.S. Constitution.

Controversial language is being hotly debated in an effort to satisfy political constituencies and for Congress to avoid responsibility of whether to go to war. So far the proposed resolution never mentions war, only empowering the President to use force at his will to bring about peace. Rather strange language indeed!

A declaration of war limits the presidential powers, narrows the focus, and implies a precise end point to the conflict. A declaration of war makes Congress assume the responsibilities directed by the Constitution for this very important decision, rather than assume that if the major decision is left to the President and a poor result occurs, it will be his fault, not that of Congress. Hiding behind the transfer of the war power to the executive through the War Powers Resolution of 1973 will hardly suffice.

However, the modern way we go to war is even more complex and deceptive. We must also write language that satisfies the UN and all our allies. Congress gladly transfers the legislative prerogatives to declare war to the President, and the legislative and the executive branch both acquiesce in transferring our sovereign rights to the UN, an un-elected international government. No wonder the language of the resolution grows in length and incorporates justification for starting this war by citing UN Resolutions.

In order to get more of what we want from the United Nations, we rejoined UNESCO, which Ronald Reagan had bravely gotten us out of, and promised millions of dollars of U.S. taxpayer support to run this international agency started by Sir Julian Huxley. In addition, we read of promises by our administration that once we control Iraqi oil, it will be available for allies like France and Russia, who have been reluctant to join our efforts.

What a difference from the days when a declaration of war was clean and precise and accomplished by a responsible Congress and an informed people!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul57.html


112 posted on 11/12/2007 4:28:38 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration

You didn’t provide any language from the constitution that would indicate specifically what language is required to ‘declare war’ other than what was used when Congress authorized the use of force against Iraq. Therefore, I see no reason to believe other than that war was declared and the Paulestinians are just being nutty again.


113 posted on 11/12/2007 10:48:25 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Iwo Jima
My Congressman John Culberson disagrees.

Unless he provides specifics as to why he claims war was not declared, i.e. specific language in the constitution that says certain words must be used, your congressman is all wet.

You can take that up with Culberson and many other conservatives who feel the same way.

Culberson isn't my congressman, so I won't be taking anything up with him. I have 'taken it up' with other 'conservatives' who believe as he does, and none have been able to provide constitutional backing for their claims.

114 posted on 11/12/2007 10:50:28 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Bogtrotter52

Phenomenon in the sense of a Meteor shooting to the earth.

Pray for W and Our Veterans


115 posted on 11/12/2007 10:53:45 AM PST by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: Iwo Jima

Quite. I’m puzzled at the anti-Paul rhetoric, which is far more malicious and distorted than there would be if there was actually something to it. The marginalization seems more born of bare fear than rational disagreement.

(FWIW: I’m not a hardcore Paul supporter, but he seems more like what a Republican candidate should be than the others.)


116 posted on 11/12/2007 11:01:30 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: ctdonath2

I agree. I have not come out as a definite vote for Ron Paul, but these attacks on him have pushed we more into his camp than anything else. If this is the only negatives that his opponents can gin up against him, it looks very good. It would be great to have a scandal-free candidates with no dirty laundry.


117 posted on 11/12/2007 12:30:51 PM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: MEGoody
You didn’t provide any language from the constitution that would indicate specifically what language is required to ‘declare war’ other than what was used when Congress authorized the use of force against Iraq. Therefore, I see no reason to believe other than that war was declared and the Paulestinians are just being nutty again.

Really?

Well, according to the Bush administration war hasn't been declared, only the use of force was justified.

GONZALES: There was not a war declaration, either in connection with Al Qaida or in Iraq. It was an authorization to use military force. I only want to clarify that, because there are implications. Obviously, when you talk about a war declaration, you're possibly talking about affecting treaties, diplomatic relations. And so there is a distinction in law and in practice. And we're not talking about a war declaration. This is an authorization only to use military force.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States

118 posted on 11/12/2007 2:25:51 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration
LOL I thought Paulestinians were all about the constitution, yet your only defense is that some individual says there was no declaration of war. You can provide nothing from the constitution that would indicate a declaration of war wasn't issued.

Have a nice day.

119 posted on 11/12/2007 2:28:55 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Allegra
You work for the Starbucks manager, correct?

LOL - those are some mighty sharp talons you have there, Allegra!
120 posted on 11/12/2007 2:46:13 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: Dead Corpse; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; Extremely Extreme Extremist; LSUfan
This is nothing. I have the real scoop on Paul and the newsletters to prove it. I'll scan them in tomorrow.

TOP 10 BOGUS RON PAUL HEADLINES THAT WILL SOON APPEAR ON FREE REPUBLIC:
10. Ron Paul is a member of al Qaeda CIA sources say
9. Ron Paul spotted with Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton snorting cocaine and drinking booze at a trendy LA nightspot
8. Ron Paul to be indicted for the 1994 murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman
7. Jim McGreevey Confession: Ron Paul was my gay lover
6. Ron Paul (aka Juan Valdez) Is an Illegal Mexican immigrant, ICE documents claim
5. AMA accuses Dr. Ron Paul of infecting his patients with HIV during his private practice
4. Congressman Ron Paul arrested for DWI; weapons cache and dead body found in trunk
3. Nude pictures of Ron Paul surface on the internet
2. Ron Paul indicted on federal dog fighting charges
1. Congressman Ron Paul vehemently denies membership in the 8 Tre Gangsta Crip street gang despite mounting evidence

121 posted on 11/12/2007 9:04:23 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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