Posted on 11/10/2007 9:58:59 AM PST by Brices Crossroads
In September, I posted another vanity (linked below) in which I observed that the historical trends in this election favored Fred Thompson. Since then, his RCP average has dropped from about 22% to 16-17%. In the more volatile Rasmussen daily tracking poll, he has also dropped to 16%, about a 10 point drop from his post announcement high. In light of the above poll numbers, is it time for me to issue a mea culpa? No. This is not at all inconsistent with the hypothesis of my previous post.
Neither of the successful insurgent candidates in modern times, Reagan or Goldwater, has remained the frontrunner continuously. Reagan actually lost the mantle twice, both times in Iowa, when Gerald Ford upset him narrowly in 1976 and George H.W. Bush did the same in 1980. Goldwater was the underdog until he won the California primary. An insurgent candidacy cannot by definition be waged by a frontrunner. So Fred's poll numbers should not depress any of his supporters. In fact they ought to be a cause for quiet optimism. He remains in second place where he has been for the entire race. The Mainstream Media has bitten is tail trying to destroy him, much as it did Reagan. This has been beneficial in three ways that are not readily apparent. First, among fairminded GOP primary voters who are undecided (and overwhelmingly conservative), the attacks will be perceived as "over the top". Undecided voters in the GOP will not be sure who the elite establishment candidate is (I think it is Giuliani, principally, but an argument can be made that both Romney and McCain are default choices, in the event Giuliani implodes). They will be sure, however, who the establishment candidate is not. It is NOT Fred Thompson. Their contempt for Fred is not only a badge of honor for him, but in my opinion a magnet for votes among disaffected GOP conservatives, of whom there are many on Immigration, government spending and political correctness, among other issues.
Second, the barrage against Fred reflects a not very subtle anti-Southern bias in the elite. They despise the south in general and Fred's signature principle, Federalism, in particular. It stands in the way of their plans, which have been underway without interruption since Reagan left office in 1988, to concentrate power in Washington, D.C. This anti southern bias also plays into Thompson's hands, because it contains all the ingredients for a backlash among southern GOP primary voters. This backlash is magnified in importance because the South (having voted Republican so faithfully over the years) is apportioned relatively more delegates than its population would call for. Fred, as the only major southern candidate, would be the natural beneficiary of regional pride. His regional advantage will, in my opinion, be magnified by the not so subtle anti-southern bigotry of the elites.
Finally, the elites, and their MSM allies, are to be thanked for lowering expectations for Fred. They are basically telling GOP primary voters that it is over, he cannot win, etc. When he does better than expected, as I predict he will in every primary/caucus, it will cause a thunderclap in which he will be perceived as the victor, even if he does not place first in them all. Ironically, in lowering expectations, they are not damaging him among those of us who detest the elites and the MSM but they doing yeoman's work for the Thompson campaign. The free publicity Fred is virtually guaranteed to get after "exceeding expectations" could not be purchased with all of Romney's millions.
Just as a postscript, let me say something about insurgent candidates in general and Fred Thompson in particular. Insurgent candidates are uncomfortable and ineffective in the role of the frontrunner. Reagan was never comfortable in the role. Good, principled candidates are at their best on the offensive. Fred Thompson is no different. In his first election in Tennessee, he was at his best when he came from 20 points down to defeat a strong Democrat Congressman and to reclaim Al Gore's seat for the Republicans.
A frontrunner's campaign can be successful, but I do not believe it will be so this year. In any event, Fred Thompson is not the candidate to run such a campaign. His principles and honesty would be major impediments to such a "safe" strategy. However, in the particular circumstances the country and the Party find itself in in 2008, Fred Thompson is in exactly the position he needs to be to claim the GOP nomination. The times have indeed met the man.
Previous post:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1900662/posts
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...who are you and why should I care about your political opinions?
Fred Thompson will make a great President.
This just shows the MSM bias against conservatives.
Their afraid because Thompson would beat Hilldog by a landslide.
IMO, Fred’s decline in the polls seems to have begun when he said of the Schiavo case (on 9/13)
“I can’t pass judgment on it. I know that good people were doing what they thought was best,” Thompson said. “That’s going back in history. I don’t remember the details of it.”
It certainly took the wind out of my sails. :(
I thought Terri Schiavo was a tragedy as well. But...r
Do you really think Congress can come in and pass special bill every time there is a miscarriage of justice, even a serious one, at the state level? The intention was good, but such a policy is bad.
So, because Thompson wasn’t as deeply immersed in the story as we here at FR were, he’s not a good candidate? Illogical.
Looking back over your posts, I find no “wind in your sails” to begin with concerning FRed.
No harm, no foul, eh?
Excellent post. Thank you.
I think you were able to put into one set of understandable words what many of us were saying in bits and pieces.
Again, great post.
At least Thompson’s voting record has been consistanley pro-life, which is more than can be said of the other top tier candidates.
Do you really think that nobody is aware of your posting history?
Great work! :)
I think Thompson is in a good position as well. I think there are going to be a lot of pundits with egg on their face.
WOW! Since FDT enjoys the company of so many of the current administration, and of the Rockefeller Republicans, how can it be said the establishmeent is against him? All candidates sink or swim under their own weight if they are given fair air time, IMO.
If you are implying that my post is not consistent with my posting history, that’s wrong. I have consistently said I like Fred better than the rest, but I’m disappointed about the Schiavo comments. (As I have written before.)
Never have I expressed anything positive about any others but Hunter (whom I’ve never supported outright or preferred).
So, what’s your point and what’s your problem? Or do you just prefer misleading innuendo?
I'm not going to do the legwork for you, but you're mistaken.
Clara Lou, the whole country and in particular the US Congress had an opinion on Schiavo.
“Since FDT enjoys the company of so many of the current administration, and of the Rockefeller Republicans, how can it be said the establishmeent is against him?”
I wasn’t aware that Duncan Hunter had cloistered himself away from the current administration. I am sure that if Hunter, good man that he is, could rise above 1% in the polls, he would attract similar disdain. The fact that he cannot, about which you are in perpetual denial, is the reason why he is ignored by all but his few partisans.
I was on the Thompson bandwagon but outside of FR I havent heard of anything on him lately. Im beginning to wonder if this silence could occur again during a general election campaign if he were to win in the primaries. Im debating whether or not I should also go silent on Thompson and look for another possibility.
Whether or not, as you said, “The whole country had an opinion,” has nothing to do with my comment. The whole country was not as immersed in the day-to-day details of the situation as folk here at FR were. Your comment is illogical, to say the least. But, then, it appears that you have another iron in the fire.
That’s gonna leave a mark...
Another “Fair Weather Fredder” bites the dust of truth...
I think when an innocent disabled woman is killed in a clear miscarriage of justice, killed by slow starvation and dehydration, a conservative candidate ought to be able to say he knew the details and was horrified. At least.
I think when Fred made those comments he came off indifferent and/or dismissive, and it affected his ratings.
He’s our best shot, but IMO he shot himself in the foot that time.
It’s ridiculous how James Dobson said he and his followers wouldn’t vote for Thompson if he won the nomination. The fact is he is the most conservative candidate who has a shot at winning the nomination.
Dobson might as well vote for Hillary, the fool.
It's low-key and I'm not sure how it will work in the end -- we'll see soon enough.
I do not have another iron in the fire. If you think I did, let’s hear your evidence. That’s logical.
Thompson is regularly featured in posting on Rightwingnews.com and Red State, to name two. His comments are frequently linked on Hotair.com. FR is by no means the only place to get news on Fred, If you are really interested.
Just how weak the faith is, in some people, of the choices and decisions they have made, by their own volition and without duress, blows me away.
I’ve said it before, and it bears repeating (cause it’s so much fun),... I would love to be the door to door salesman when they open the door.
...who are you and why should I care about your political opinions?
Exactly! Why should you? Which is why I puzzle on your even posting the inquiry.
As for me, I know Brices to be particularly eloquent in evaluating critical concepts. I don't assume that he wants me to care, as it appears you do. I do figure that if he posted it, it's probably well-stated and provocative. I don't care about Brice's political opinions and I would bet that Brices doesn't care about mine, either. I do care that he's a poster of demonstrated skill.
The real question is, why do you care? But you know what? I REALLY DON'T CARE!!! ;^)
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LOL! Ouch! :)
I think you should pay attention to his opinion because it is clear, cogent, and well-written.
I don't think his opinions would be any more valid that he had announced a brilliant pedigree or any less persuasive if Brices Crossroads were not a certified conservative.
Forgive my intrusion. It is a hobbyhorse of mine that Free Republic should evaluate ideas on their own merits.
In Rasmussen, Thompson hit his high water mark a full two weeks later. This was the point at which the full press of negative articles kicked in and his numbers began to shrink.
:) No just an accumulation of factual information.
Do you think it is workable, as a national policy, to pass special bills in such circumstances? Because if you do, I disagree. I think Terry Schiavo was a tragedy, and if I could have saved her, I would have. That said, this is what happens when you elect judges like Greer and the Florida Supreme Court. Elections have consequences. Sometimes tragic consequences. But the federal government cannot be the backstop for 10 million state court rulings per year. It would not work and would wind up creating more miscarriages of justice than it would remedy. That is all Fred was saying, and I don’t know how his view can be reasonably disputed.
Indeed..
However I also thing there is another factor at work, another trade if you will...
That of the BS artist...
It doesn’t take much to amuse you, does it, trish? See 35.
Now, now. Don’t demean yourself.
Thanks to you both for your (over) generous comments.
While I do think Fred’s view can be reasonably disputed, I also see what he’s saying. That wasn’t my point. My point was, I think his comments on Schiavo hurt him with conservative voters, some of whom (me for one) think it is horrifying that a disabled woman who isn’t dying, and who committed no crime, should be destroyed in a way it’s illegal to kill a hog.
You make a very good point. I agree.
I am behind FRed, win, lose or draw, BECAUSE of his style. That’s the type of person I want as POTUS.
If ever there a living example of “walk softly, but carry a big stick” FRed Thompson is it.
Great Picture. Back in the 1970s, they used to day I was for Reagan BDVD (Before Death Valley Days). Your link suggest you were for Fred even before he hinted he might run early this year. (And I thought I was an early supporter) May I congratulate you on your perspicacity and farsightedness!
Did you see Thompson on CSpan as he presented his plan to remedy Social Security? I thought he was outstanding, I thought the plan was well-researched and detailed. If you didn’t see it, I recommend it.
I have consistently written positive comments about Fred. When the Schiavo issue came up, I was disappointed but I still posted positively, if not so enthusiastically. Stuck up for him several times when unfair comments were made. I like Fred, think he’s the best chance we’ve got.
What do YOU think has caused his ratings to decline? Has to be something, and I just don’t see anything wrong with his debate performances or his MTP interview, to explain it.
Thompson is regularly featured in posting on Rightwingnews.com and Red State, to name two.
That’s my point. Singing to the choir
I think you are faulting Fred because he did not want to respond to such a complicated case on the fly. He does not give snap answers, which is why he will make such a great President. His answer, that the family should decide and if they cannot decide, the state courts should decide, is the correct approach in 99.99% of the cases, and it yields the correct answer in the vast, vast majority of the cases. The fact that the system broke down in one case is no reason to scrap the system. To base your vote on a single tragic incident like this that no one could prevent, including Jeb Bush, is a little shortsighted IMHO.
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