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Posted on 11/10/2007 4:33:13 PM PST by Reform Canada
Climate change by Jupiter
Lawrence Solomon Financial Post
Saturday, November 10, 2007
The alignment of the planets, and especially that of Jupiter and Saturn, control the climate on Earth.
So explained Rhodes Fairbridge of Columbia University, a giant in science over much of the last century whose accomplishments are perhaps unsurpassed for their breadth, depth, and volume. This one man authored or co-authored 100 scientific books and more than 1,000 scientific papers, he edited the Benchmarks in Geology series (more than 90 volumes in print) and was general editor of the Encyclopaedias of the Earth Sciences. He edited eight major encyclopedias of specialized scientific papers in the atmospheric sciences and astrogeology; geomorphology; geochemistry and the earth sciences; geology, sedimentology, paleontology, oceanography and, not least, climatology.
Changes in sunspots and other solar activity, scientists have realized for more than two centuries, correlate closely with the climate of Earth, explaining the ice ages and periods of great warming. But what, Dr. Fairbridge wondered, causes these changes in our sun?
The answer, he discovered with the help of NASA and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, lies largely in the solar system's centre of gravity. At times, the sun is at the solar system's centre of gravity. Most often, this is not the case-- the orbit of the planets will align planets to one side or another of the sun. Jupiter, the planet with by far the largest mass, most influences the solar system's centre of gravity. When Uranus, Neptune and especially Saturn -- the next largest planet -- join Jupiter on one side of the solar system, the solar system's centre of gravity shifts well beyond the sun.
The sun's own orbit, he found, has eight characteristic patterns, all determined by Jupiter's position relative to Saturn, with the other planets playing much lesser roles. Some of these eight have orderly orbits, smooth and near-circular. During such orbits, solar activity is high and Earth heats up. Some of the eight orbits are chaotic, taking a loop-the-loop path. These orbits correspond to quiet times for the sun, and cool periods on Earth. Every 179 years or so, the sun embarks on a new cycle of orbits. One of the cooler periods in recent centuries was the Little Ice Age of the 17th century, when the Thames River in London froze over each winter. The next cool period, if the pattern holds, began in 1996, with the effects to be felt starting in 2010. Some predict three decades of severe cold.
Temperatures on Earth are but one consequence of these periodic and predictable celestial movements. Others, Dr. Fairbridge has shown, are seen everywhere on Earth: in the various and differing periodicities in rocks, glaciers, sand dunes and the circulation of the ocean; geomagnetic records; the records of the isotopes of carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen in tree rings, ice cores, air and water. They are the periodicities of climate change.
Dr. Fairbridge's best-known periodicity, which he developed in the 1950s, hypothesized that sea levels had been rising for the last 16,000 years, during which there were periodic oscillations of rise and fall. The Fairbridge curve describing this period -- so named in derision because it offended the conventional wisdom - is now widely accepted. It demonstrates that, even within the past 1,000 years, sea levels have several times changed by up to two metres, and suddenly -- each of these large changes occurred in fewer than 40 years.
Dr. Fairbridge's broader climate change claims -- that celestial changes control Earth's temperatures -- remain controversial, but less so than they were decades ago, when his was a relatively lone voice. Solar scientists with increasing regularity are publishing data establishing celestial origins to climate change on Earth. Dr. Fairbridge saw his Fairbridgecurve theories vindicated, but he won't his celestial claims. This most remarkable individual died a year ago this week, at age 92. - Lawrence Solomon is executive director of Energy Probe and the Urban Renaissance Institute. www.urban-renaissance.org
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Rhodes Fairbridge, an early expert on climate change, was a professor of geology at Columbia. He received an undergraduate degree from Queen's University in Ontario and a master's degree from the University of Oxford. He was awarded a doctorate of science by the University of Western Australia in 1944 at the age of 30, bypassing the usual PhD prerequisite. During the Second World War, Dr. Fairbridge also served with the Royal Australian Air Force in U.S. General Douglas MacArthur's headquarters as deputy director of intelligence. © National Post 2007
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Thabks to this article, I have the “Age of Aquarius” playing in my head. Arrrrggghhh!
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Bush’s fault.
Wikipedia says he died a year ago, and provides two references to back it up.
Bah. Should have read the article more carefully. It also says he died a year ago.
Gore's people had him "whacked."
There is something to this. The effect might be linked to magnetism rather than gravity.
“Temperatures on Earth are but one consequence of these periodic and predictable celestial movements. Others, Dr. Fairbridge has shown, are seen everywhere on Earth: in the various and differing periodicities in rocks, glaciers, sand dunes and the circulation of the ocean; geomagnetic records; the records of the isotopes of carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen in tree rings, ice cores, air and water. They are the periodicities of climate change.”
But..but..the MSM says we’re to blame..they don’t lie do they? And are you saying I shouldn’t believe the Goreacle!!/heavy sarcasm,LOL
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I am wondering, is there, in fact, any conservative left who believes in man caused global warming?
Yeah, Arnold...oh wait.
This is full-blown crackpottery. If you’re down to throwing this kind of stuff up against the global warming juggernaut, you’re finished.
In before the Uranus jokes!
And why is it that?
There is, but the effect you’re thinking of - if I’m guessing your thought right! - is the influence of the sun’s magnetic field/solar wind on the earth’s climate.
Greater solar wind -> greater magnetic flux around earth -> more shielding of the earth from cosmic radiation -> less cosmic ray interactions in the atmosphere -> fewer clouds -> greater solar (visible & IR & UV) insolation -> more heat buildup in the earth’s atmosphere & ground -> hotter temperatures.
But, while this explains the earth’s changes in temperature, it doesn’t explain WHY the sun’s magnetic fields change periodically.
THIS article tries to summarize the reason for the change in sun’s magnetic fields/solar storms/solar flares by crediting Jupiter and Saturn’s gravitational pull on the “triangle” of the sun + Jupiter + Saturn. If the center of gravity of the three (plus the smaller/closer planets) ISN’T at the center of the sun’s magnetic “sphere” then the sun’s rotating magnetic field will be distorted by eccentric gravitational forces every solar “day” (8 hours ??) and is likely to be distorted far into space.
DOOMAGE!How could I have not seen or heard this word before? That's one hell of a great word! Doomage! I love it!
But here, Dr Fairchild indicates that these geological changes are not due to temperature changes on the earth, but are due to simultaneous gravitational/magnetic changes in the solar system....
"There's a whole lotta Doomage goin' down, goin' down, there's a whole lotta Doomage goin' down..."
Most of the effect would be from Jupiter and Saturn, and so any cycle would be less than 20 years long (Jupiter takes almost 12 earth years for one revolution around the sun, and Saturn takes 29.5 years...it's been a long time since I took algebra or I would work out how long it takes for Jupiter to lap Saturn, but I'd guess somewhere on the order of 18 years).
Really? Does that mean you've don't believe in the fabled neap tide?
I don’t believe a word of this. Al Gore is so much smarter than some stupid scientist.
Yes, it’s a brilliant article that brings into account science that has yet to be fully examined by the UN IPCC and the MSM, “DUH”. Sir, I am not a scientist nor a highly degreed individual, I can only rely on my God given common sense and the non-biased history to wit I was schooled in.
But having said that, I believe that all our current Laws of Physics, etc and this new revelation will hopefully and finally dispell all this Globull Warming Cr@p.
FReegards
‘In short, I don’t buy the theory that having several of these planets lined up on the same side of the sun is going to make much of a difference. ‘
having not seen the math the article refers to to support this i can only speculate on what he actualy wrote, but if we are talking about a total change of global temperature range of a very small number of degrees celsius avg temperature (5?) between, say, the present and a recent cool period (say the referenced 17th cetury cold period), that isn’t much of a difference either.
because of the very narrow temperature range our species and many species we depend on need to survive, and the proximity to the freezing point of water, we notice it, but really its more of a rounding error in a cosmic view
just tossing this out there, but maybe very small variations in the gravity triangle of the sun and the larger planets would have very small impact on the sunspot activity referenced and thus a very small impact on earth temperatures.
also would offer that this man was apparently absolutely brilliant, and i would far sooner doubt the author of the article if something is in question before doubting the scientist’s actual work (which i have not seen).
Well, that's only because the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter's aligned with Mars . . .
The sum of many periodic equations yields very, very odd results depending on what periodicities you start with: you can get a square wave (a result with a flat top, very rapid changes to the opposite sign, then another flat period) simply by adding simple-appearing sine and cosine waves, or get a long periodicity, or an amplified shorter wave.
The math is nasty (last time I had was in control theory classes with Fourier series and Fourier Transforms, Laplace equations, etc.) but - you’ll have to trust me on this one - periodic waves can definitely add up to the 1500 year global cooling/warming cycles we see world-wide.
Particularly if you add that cycle to the earth’s much longer 25,000 year rotational cycles.
(It’s just that Gore, the UN, and the Euro-socialists can’t tax gravity waves for 4 trillion dollars. Yet.)
Well, that’s only because the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter’s aligned with Mars . . .
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Well, if that’s the case, why doesn’t peace guide the planets and love steer the stars?
Love is steering the stars, but hate is a loud, obnoxious backseat driver.
Yes! It's a word that sings to me!
Forget it!!! The word belongs to me.
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Why do you say that?
I think the cooling period could start this winter (2007-2008) and continue getting colder in the coming years. NASA was predicting that Solar Cycle 25 would be one of the weakest ever recorded. They predicted this based on some type of plasma belt current speeds near the surface of the sun. The problem is that Solar Cycle 24 was supposed to have already started by now and was initially predicted to be fairly active. This would have given us some solar activity for the next few years. Because Cycle 24 has yet to start and solar activity is still very weak, NASA is lowering the expected activity levels for Solar Cycle 24. This means the cooling expected during Solar Cycle 25 may actually begin this winter.
Also, so we deniers are all hype to the terminology of the believers, there is now a new term. We all know they have changed Global Warming to Climate Change. Well about 2 days ago the former governor of Kalifornia, Jerry MoonBeam Brown, actually referred to it as Climate Disruption.
What is it again that the sun is orbiting around? The Milky Way? I missed that first time thru.
I guess it's time to move the horoscopes to the weather page!
-PJ
Probably need to see his diagrams. Could be the suns orbit around the solar systems changing center of gravity or perhaps orbit was mistranslated and should have been rotation. NASA predicts future Solar Activity based on flow speeds in the suns plasma belts and they could be affected by the suns rotational speed. They could also be affected by gravitational tidal effects similar to the flow of earths oceans. Not too many solids in that hot ball. The suns solar flux might also be affected by magnetic fields within the solar system.
“Wikipedia says he died a year ago, and provides two references to back it up”
A single death certificate would suffice.
Sounds a lot more logical than most claims!
Well, He does. 8<)
He just doesn’t interfere when hippies rule the err(or)waves and liberals guide the Congress.
Smart guy this Dr Fairbridge. If there is a strong correlation between sunspot cycles, relative to the Sun’s orbit about the Universes center mass, with Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars going along for that ride that would go a long way toward explaining the Vostok Ice Core data and todays concurrent warming on Mars.
Here’s an example of how to use the word:
Since Global Warming is responsible for all future weather, hot or cold, our doomage is complete.
My dad worked in aerospace, they had a special toast at these Boeing functions. “To Uranus and beyond”
Is it true that some scientists, tired of all the juvenile jokes, have lobbied to have the planet renamed “Urectum?”
The flood and neap tides are due of course to the tidal fields of the sun and the moon being in alignment, or cross-alignment, respectively.
The article makes no mention of the tidal field of Jupiter et al acting on the sun, but refers instead to the orbit of the sun about the CM of the solar system. This orbit has no dynamic significance for the sun in the way that tidal fields do.
Tidal fields vary as the INVERSE CUBE of the distance, whereas the magnitude of the orbit of a “central body” such as the sun about the CM varies LINEARLY with the distance of a less massive orbiting body. This is a simple “leverage” concept.
You can work it out on “the back of an envelope” that the tidal fields of bodies of the same density vary as the apparent angular diameter. Since the sun and moon have the same apparent angular diameter from the earth, the lesser tidal effect of the sun can be understood as due to its lower density.
Also, the small apparent angular diameter of Jupiter from the sun ( and the earth ) show that it has a small tidal effect, notwithstanding its effect on the CM of the solar system and the “orbit” of the sun.
I should have said that they vary as the CUBE of the apparent angular diameter. This is because the mass ( in the numerator ) is proportional to the density times the cube of the diameter of the body, so its ratio to the cube of the distance in the denominator is simply the cube of the apparent angular diameter.
According to this article, at times, when the most massive planets are all on one side of the sun, the common center of gravity can actually be shifted outside the sun.
Sounds like there is some speculation about weather this can affect the sun spot cycle, and this affect the energy output of the sun, and ultimately the climate of the earth.
Very interesting theory IMO.
You would think the moving center of gravity would have physical affects on the sun. Especially if that center is moving within the actual inside diameter of the sun. And of course outside that diameter. Could be simple spatial deformation. Definitely could affect plasma belt flow rates.
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