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Will Success, or All That Money From Google, Spoil Firefox?
THe New York Times ^ | November 12, 2007 | NOAM COHEN

Posted on 11/11/2007 8:57:41 PM PST by fallingwater

Only a couple of years ago, Firefox was the little browser that could — an open-source program created by thousands of contributors around the world without the benefit of a giant company like Microsoft to finance it.

Since then, Firefox, which has prospered under the nonprofit Mozilla Foundation, has grown to be the largest rival to Microsoft’s Internet Explorer, with 15 to 20 percent of the browser market worldwide and higher percentages in Europe and among technology devotees. It is the most popular alternative browser since Netscape, with about three times as many users as Apple’s Safari.

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KEYWORDS: classenvy; firefox; mozilla
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1 posted on 11/11/2007 8:57:43 PM PST by fallingwater
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To: fallingwater

Firefox was written on Netscape source code.

Microshaft sucks


2 posted on 11/11/2007 8:59:51 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

I used to like firefox. Now it always crashes on me. Especially at michaelsavage.com and stories regarding Clinton planting questions during her Iowa town hall meetings on foxnews.com. What’s up with that?


3 posted on 11/11/2007 9:04:59 PM PST by fallingwater
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To: fallingwater

On of your plugins or something is broken.


4 posted on 11/11/2007 9:08:25 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: fallingwater

try opera


5 posted on 11/11/2007 9:08:35 PM PST by MrEdd (Ron Paul is Ralph Nader for the right...)
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To: mylife

Whatever-—I don’t understand much of this stuff, but I use Firefox on my Mac, and absolutely love it


6 posted on 11/11/2007 9:08:40 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: fallingwater

Dunno. It crashes on me now when I play youtube type vids, so I keep IE for that purpose, but I hate IE

I think Bill Gates is playing games. I never send an error report to microshaft.

I hope to be 100% Linux here soon


7 posted on 11/11/2007 9:08:41 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Ping!


8 posted on 11/11/2007 9:09:08 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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I use firefox almost exclusively. It has interesting add-ons
that cut down on online ads.


9 posted on 11/11/2007 9:09:25 PM PST by mwollstonecraft
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To: basil

Firefox is a solid program


10 posted on 11/11/2007 9:09:27 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: fallingwater
Despite that ample revenue, the Mozilla Foundation gave away less than $100,000 in grants (according to the audited statement), or $285,000 (according to Mozilla itself), in 2006. In the same year, it paid the corporation’s chief executive, Mitchell Baker, more than $500,000 in salary and benefits. (She is also chairwoman of the foundation.)

Sounds like the other thread I read today where Creflo $$$$ was living in luxury with his Rolls Royce being a modest preacher after raking in 69 mil$ from his mega church. Pretty nice to make that kind of cash from a non-profit organization, or as she prefers to call it a "hybrid" type entity. Very convenient.

Maybe with that "poor stepchild" salary she is pulling down, she can afford a hair stylist now.

11 posted on 11/11/2007 9:17:51 PM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Blue Highway

I use Firefox all the time and she hasn’t got a dime from me.


12 posted on 11/11/2007 9:28:08 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: fallingwater

Maybe re-install, sounds like something ‘broke’ — I never have trouble with Firefox, and I have used it almost exclusively for the past 2 years.

I tried K-Meleon for awhile, which is another browser put out by the Mozilla people....... liked it at first, on certain websites it is quick and snappy (supposedly it is based upon the same source code as Firefox, but in a more stripped-down version??). However, over time and as I went to a lot more websites I found that K-Meleon often seemed more sluggish and I went back to Firefox.

Any techies out there able to compare Firefox, K-Meleon, Safari, and other browers? I also tried Avant for awhile but didn’t find any particular advantage to it and stopped using it.....


13 posted on 11/11/2007 9:37:40 PM PST by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT")
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To: fallingwater

Part of Firefox’s appeal was its origins as a nonprofit venture, a people-powered revolution involving the most basic Internet technology, the Web browser.

yeah the stupid red mozilla commie stuff. but Brendan Eich, head of mozilla, was never like that and wrote:
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2005/05/socialized_medi.html
“Libeling freedom by associating it with its opposite is an old statist trick. Note that I’m no pure capital-L libertarian or “libertopian”: left without some kind of rule of law, too often the strong *do* prey on the weak. But the current mess of laws in the U.S. is mostly used to the advantage of the strong, and of the do-gooder Mandarin classes who pretend they’re for the weak.”


14 posted on 11/11/2007 9:43:06 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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I pretty much run Firefox for most of my purposes. I found that Firefox 1.5 was very nice to use, but Firefox 2 is a disappointment.


15 posted on 11/11/2007 9:44:35 PM PST by jmyrlefuller (The Associated Press: The most dangerous news organization in America.[TM])
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To: Enchante

there’s also the flock browser which is firefox with more integrated features flock.com


16 posted on 11/11/2007 9:45:00 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Blue Highway
she looks like she's actually wearing firefox on her head

17 posted on 11/11/2007 9:48:49 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Blue Highway
Maybe...she can afford a hair stylist now.

What? And lose the Weed Eater sponsorship?


18 posted on 11/11/2007 9:56:25 PM PST by DeFault User
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To: fallingwater
I do like Firefox, I switched at Microsoft Explorer version 7 which totally sucked too bad I had to change.

But one annoying thing about Firefox, when downloading files for some reason it gives me no choice on which
folder to download it to and it only downloads directly on my desktop.

Which after downloading I have to manual move it to where I want it.

Images I can download to where ever I choose but anything else I have no choice.

Annoying but still better than IE

19 posted on 11/11/2007 10:21:10 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Blue Highway

She needs to shut down the lawn mower before she checks the deck belts.


20 posted on 11/11/2007 10:23:28 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: mylife

>I hope to be 100% Linux here soon

Running Ubuntu 7.10 right now:

1) flash auto-installed from the web perfectly
2) as did the java 6.0 plugin


21 posted on 11/11/2007 10:52:52 PM PST by ROTB (Front Runner=rich guy who doesn't hate evil and strives to offend no one, AND WILL SELL YOU OUT.)
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To: qam1

You can reset the default folder by going into the Tools/Options box and specifying the folder by browsing to the one you want.


22 posted on 11/11/2007 11:15:02 PM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: Blue Highway
Maybe with that "poor stepchild" salary she is pulling down, she can afford a hair stylist now.

The scary thing is it looks like she has one. That hairdoo is deliberate.

23 posted on 11/11/2007 11:44:33 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: rockrr

I made Free Republic forum page my home page after narrowly resisting the temptation to make it my about page :)


24 posted on 11/11/2007 11:57:27 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack,repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: ROTB
Switched to Kubuntu (Ubuntu with a KDE desktop) here so that I could ateer clear of Vista. I do still have my XP laptop also running during the day, but am about 70% converted by now.

For me the secret was to move my email to Linux first - and everything else naturally follows. I'm particularly enjoying KOffice. My biggest reason to keep XP around was to use MS Project, however 'OpenProj' is the perfect solution to that (highly recommended).

25 posted on 11/12/2007 12:01:20 AM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: mylife

Like the other something is broke or out of date you tube runs just fine for me and my kids all using Firefox and believe me they watch a lot of You tube. If I had to guess your player is old and needs an update. The only site that does not present right is our troops website on club spaces and that is only the pictures not being in the right places.


26 posted on 11/12/2007 4:19:29 AM PST by scottteng (Proud parent of a Star scout.)
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To: scottteng

I will give it an update


27 posted on 11/12/2007 4:21:22 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Firefox was written on Netscape source code.

Actually, IIRC, Both Netscape and Firefox are based on the Mozilla browser / source code.

First, there was Mozilla, then Netscape. Firefox came much later, but Mozilla has been around from the beginning and I believe is still available as a stand-alone browser.

28 posted on 11/12/2007 4:25:04 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom - It's not just a job, It's an Adventure)
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To: Drammach

You are correct


29 posted on 11/12/2007 4:27:14 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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30 posted on 11/12/2007 5:24:03 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: fallingwater
I used to like firefox. Now it always crashes on me.

Same here. It freezes on me every few days, which it never did the first couple years of using the browser. And I periodically get some message saying that it can't load all its files (or something like that). Deleting Firefox and reloading it hasn't made a difference. IE sucks, don't like Opera.

Over the holidays, I'm going to format my drive and try to set it up to duel-boot Linux (probably Ubuntu) and XP and get away from Windows mostly.

31 posted on 11/12/2007 5:47:14 AM PST by SeafoodGumbo
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To: SeafoodGumbo
Over the holidays, I'm going to format my drive and try to set it up to duel-boot Linux (probably Ubuntu) and XP and get away from Windows mostly.

I've been using Firefox since it was Firebird, and it has never, ever locked up on me.

Of course, I've never, ever run it under Windows. Your switch will help matters enormously.

32 posted on 11/12/2007 5:51:57 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: scottteng

There are several sites I use that didn’t work at all with Firefox until I started running the Internet Explorer emulator plug in. They run faster now than they did with IE.


33 posted on 11/12/2007 5:53:34 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (The WOT will end when pork products are weaponized)
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To: basil

http://caminobrowser.org/ is written for the Mac and I prefer it...


34 posted on 11/12/2007 6:54:13 AM PST by tubebender (My weight is perfect for my height... which varies...)
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To: Drammach
First, there was Mozilla, then Netscape. Firefox came much later, but Mozilla has been around from the beginning and I believe is still available as a stand-alone browser.

Once upon a time, there was a program called "NCSA Mosaic" ...

35 posted on 11/12/2007 6:59:40 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: fallingwater
Firefox is the great little browser. Apple Safari has only recently gained a foothold on Windows. However, the only true cross platform browser remains Firefox. It looks and works the same across Mac, Windows and Linux platforms.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

36 posted on 11/12/2007 7:05:01 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Blue Highway
When hairsylists go rogue:


37 posted on 11/12/2007 7:11:20 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: ROTB; mylife

I tried Ubuntu but found it didn’t upgrade well—most debian based Linux seem to be a PITA when they make major upgrades.

Not likely to be easy for most people to use, but I now run Gentoo on one of my machines. Since it compiles from source, I can optimize it for my processor rather than using pre-compiled binarys which usually default to 386 processors (really).

It’s fun to play around with and learn more about the way linux works. Definitely not for everyone.


38 posted on 11/12/2007 7:12:52 AM PST by Betis70
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To: fallingwater
The thing that's amazing to me - about the browser wars - is that none of the browsers can get it right for people like me: people who browse full-screen.  It's continually been a one step forward, two steps back situation.

IE 6 did it best but had security issues.  The plug-in for full screen browsing on Firefox overrides the auto hide function of the Windows Start Bar.  And now, IE 7 does the same thing.....if you go into full screen using 7, the browser assumes you're using kiosk mode and won't pop up the Start Bar.

It's annoying that no one can made a decent, function-rich browser.

39 posted on 11/12/2007 7:14:44 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car......with guns.)
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To: rockrr
You can reset the default folder by going into the Tools/Options box and specifying the folder by browsing to the one you want.

You don't even have to have a default. You can set it to browse for a folder each download.

40 posted on 11/12/2007 7:16:40 AM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: qam1

Click Tools/Options/Main and there is a group of download settings where you can specify a standard download directory or choose to be asked for the location each time.


41 posted on 11/12/2007 7:25:48 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: qam1

tools->options, set downloads prefferences.


42 posted on 11/12/2007 7:36:25 AM PST by jpsb
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To: ArrogantBustard
Once upon a time, there was a program called "NCSA Mosaic" ...

I remember when I first discovered this. A whole new world opened up before my very eyes.

I migrated from Mosaic to Netscape, to Opera, then to Firebird (later Firefox). I've never used IE, except when I was forced to.

43 posted on 11/12/2007 8:07:24 AM PST by shorty_harris
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To: fallingwater

Firefox has a problem and had had for years. On some platforms it occasionally starts to eat 100% of the CPU. This is intermittent and random. I don’t have the problem on my own laptop but the desktop that my wife uses has it and I cannot figure out how to resolve it. Clean re-install, disable java, flash, etc. None of it fixes things. So Firefox is simply unusable for her. Search the net, it is not an uncommon problem but there is no definitive solution that I can find.


44 posted on 11/12/2007 8:13:20 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: fallingwater
FireFox is the way to go. I have been using for years. Sometimes the script blocking prevents certain pages from loading properly, but one merely has to temporarily allow scripts from that page for it to work properly.


Even CrapCleaner has a special option to clean up for Firefox.

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

45 posted on 11/12/2007 8:15:12 AM PST by Varmint Al
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To: Betis70
I tried Ubuntu but found it didn’t upgrade well—most debian based Linux seem to be a PITA when they make major upgrades.

Really? I've never hit that problem. I run Kubuntu at work and Debian on my wife's laptop (before you start laughing, it's an old laptop with a broken CD drive; the only install media I could use was floppy and network. Debian was the only current Linux distro I could find that had an install floppy; the only one of the BSDs that had one was OpenBSD and if you think Debian is esoteric...). I have never had a problem running dist-upgrades, including when I did updates remotely through SSH.

but I now run Gentoo on one of my machines.

I love Gentoo; I run it on my personal laptop and on the home network's "server" (an old whitebox). The best thing of all isn't even the optimization, IMHO, it is two important facts: first, that the base install is absolutely minimalist (I find it is much easier to start small and build up, than start large and tear down) and that you can strip unwanted dependencies from the system with USE flags. As a result, Gentoo is a great tinkerer's OS, with access (usually) to the latest and greatest software and maximum flexibility.

It’s fun to play around with and learn more about the way linux works. Definitely not for everyone.

Right on both counts. Once you've got Gentoo down pat, you could roll your own distro--really. In fact, almost by definition, if you have a customized Gentoo machine, you are running a unique distro. But you're right. It isn't for anyone and it is most definitely not for someone looking for their first taste of Linux.

46 posted on 11/12/2007 10:50:44 AM PST by Señor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: fallingwater
"Now it always crashes on me."

I was getting the same, and traced it down to a buggy addon. Try removing all addons and see if it continues to happen. If the crashing stops, bring back the addons one at a time, until the crashing comes back.

47 posted on 11/12/2007 11:24:23 AM PST by KoRn
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To: Señor Zorro

I think there were a few problems with Ubuntu 5.x->6 (I think that was the release) that I ran into, specifically with UI things. I ran into some circular xyz-lib dependency problems with non-Ubuntu programs I had installed. I don’t recall the specifics as it was a few years ago now. Rather than fighting with it, I decided to try Gentoo since it was my ‘play’ computer anyway.

I too have used debian on old crufty laptops too—one’s w/o CD drives running original pentiums. I think I have a set of floppies someplace with the install disks...

You are right about the minimalist install with Gentoo, that was one of the things that attracted me as well.

I tried doing a linux from scratch. That was fun, didn’t end up so good in the end, but haven’t tried *BSD installs yet.


48 posted on 11/12/2007 11:36:56 AM PST by Betis70
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To: jmyrlefuller; All; ShadowAce
I pretty much run Firefox for most of my purposes. I found that Firefox 1.5 was very nice to use, but Firefox 2 is a disappointment.

Every so often they manage to break what wasn't broke, so I've been sticking with 1.5.0.6.

Get all your themes and extensions and tweak the browser the way you like it, and then get this program.  (It might not backup all variations of themes and extensions, but it has for my particular setup).

 

49 posted on 11/12/2007 12:11:10 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: JoJo Gunn
I haven't found any issues with 2.0. As far as backups go, I back up everything (extensions, cache, and bookmarks) onto my server. If I ever have to re-install the browser for any reason, all my history, etc is all there again just as I left it.

I installed the latest Fedora yesterday, restored my .mozilla directory, and I was surfing again just like I was on Friday.

50 posted on 11/12/2007 12:19:18 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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