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Cheering crowd attends disputed ordination of two women as priests
STLtoday.com, Website of the St. Louis Post Dispatch ^ | 11/12/2007 | Michele Munz

Posted on 11/12/2007 6:53:23 AM PST by OriginalChristian

ST. LOUIS — To the Roman Catholic Church, the ceremony was not an ordination. In fact, it wasn't even Roman Catholic. But to two women and the approximately 600 people who came to cheer them on, history was made Sunday in St. Louis as the two became the first women ever in the city to be ordained as Catholic priests.

And the first ever, perhaps in the world, to be ordained in a synagogue.

Rose Marie Hudson, 67, of Festus, and Elsie Hainz McGrath, 69, of St. Louis, were ordained as priests by an organization called Roman Catholic Womenpriests, which defines itself "as an international initiative within the Roman Catholic Church."

Not only is the Archdiocese of St. Louis upset about the women participating in an ordination ceremony, but the church and others in the interfaith community were upset that the Central Reform Congregation, in the Central West End, hosted the event.

"The event of today is really very sad because the name Roman Catholic has been misused and misapplied," said Dr. Lawrence J. Welch, a Kenrick-Glennon Seminary theology professor. "There's been no ordination of Roman Catholic priests. In fact, there has been a profaning of something Roman Catholics believe is very sacred."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: apostacy; catholic; ordination; religiousleft; sheeruttermadness; womenpriests
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Blinded by feminism's empty promises, these women denigrate apostolic succession. I find it also telling that none of the terms; Ordination, Priest, Bishop, etc. were captured in " " (quotation marks) or otherwise designated as being alleged by the Post Dispatch. Its telling, but not in any way surprising from that liberal rag which is no friend to the Church or to Archbishop Raymond Burke. None of these or other true Catholoc eccslesiastical terms applies to this abomination. What a sad day indeed.
1 posted on 11/12/2007 6:53:25 AM PST by OriginalChristian
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To: OriginalChristian
It's a side show. The Montanists did similar stuff back in the 200s.

And how many Montanists live in your parish nowadays?

2 posted on 11/12/2007 6:55:36 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: OriginalChristian

Isn’t the Central Reform bunch a secular front for strictly nominal Jewry?
Maybe they should more properly join the Ethical Society.


3 posted on 11/12/2007 6:56:19 AM PST by steve8714 (When full-out jihad hits Europe they'll all want dollars.)
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To: OriginalChristian
"two women and the approximately 600 people who came to cheer them on, history was made Sunday in St. Louis as the two became the first women ever in the city to be ordained as Catholic priests"

This is not a recognized Ordination at all.

Has as much value as the Nobel Peace Prize, I'd say......

4 posted on 11/12/2007 6:56:34 AM PST by traditional1
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To: OriginalChristian

This also says a lot about the state of journalism today. When a transvestite is referred to by the pronoun of his or her pretend gender, when babies are referred to as fetuses, and when women who participate in a sham ceremony are termed priests, truth has no meaning in journalism anymore.


5 posted on 11/12/2007 6:58:03 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: OriginalChristian

Oh, and here’s a shock- the “Catholic Action Network” was “helpful”.


6 posted on 11/12/2007 6:58:27 AM PST by steve8714 (When full-out jihad hits Europe they'll all want dollars.)
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To: wideawake

Totally agree, but it smacks you right across the chops when it happens in your hometown. Thanks for weighing in.


7 posted on 11/12/2007 6:59:32 AM PST by OriginalChristian (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: traditional1

Well, if they can ordain themselves as priests, I hereby ordain myself the Pope. Pope Fiero I


8 posted on 11/12/2007 7:00:01 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: caseinpoint

These heretics practice Liberation Theology. It looks just like Communism. No surprise there.


9 posted on 11/12/2007 7:00:52 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: L98Fiero
Congrats Pope Fiero I !


10 posted on 11/12/2007 7:03:20 AM PST by traditional1
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To: OriginalChristian

I do think this is sad too. It’s pretty much a bid for attention. Seriously, would anyone have attended if there wasn’t a press release?


11 posted on 11/12/2007 7:03:26 AM PST by PrincessB ("I am an expert on my own opinion." - Dave Ramsey)
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To: OriginalChristian

I was very disappointed that the Jewish temple permitted this. The Archbishop did appeal to a local Jewish council of some sort, but they pointed out that they had no jurisdiction over individual temples or synagogues, although they did issue a statement regretting the event.


12 posted on 11/12/2007 7:03:58 AM PST by livius
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To: OriginalChristian

The Catholic Church is now allowing women to be priests? When did I miss this? I need to go to mass more often if I am that out of touch.


13 posted on 11/12/2007 7:08:44 AM PST by Morgana (HILLARY 'O8......Give Terrorism a Chance!)
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To: OriginalChristian

Congratulations to the high priestesses of the Roaming Katholic Church.


14 posted on 11/12/2007 7:10:32 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: OriginalChristian

To steal and apply an old saying, “There may be less to this than meets the eye.”


15 posted on 11/12/2007 7:12:08 AM PST by MarkT
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To: OriginalChristian
but the church and others in the interfaith community were upset that the Central Reform Congregation, in the Central West End, hosted the event

As a Jew I am upset too. Reform Deformed JINOs should not be permitted to call themselves "Jews". They are Socialists and their dogma is Secular Humanism.

16 posted on 11/12/2007 7:12:57 AM PST by montag813
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To: OriginalChristian
"There's been no ordination of Roman Catholic priests. In fact, there has been a profaning of something Roman Catholics believe is very sacred."

And that's really the whole point of this exercise, isn't it?

17 posted on 11/12/2007 7:13:08 AM PST by Bob Loblaw
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To: OriginalChristian
But to two women and the approximately 600 people who came to cheer them on, history was made Sunday in St. Louis as the two became the first women ever in the city to be ordained as Catholic priests.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Pope acting on God's command, makes the rules for the Catholic church. If he says that they aren't catholic priests, then they aren't catholic priests.
18 posted on 11/12/2007 7:13:23 AM PST by JamesP81
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To: Bob Loblaw

Holy Orders don’t need the Pope’s command. They are a Sacrament and therefore Infallible.


19 posted on 11/12/2007 7:15:41 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: livius

I suppose the catholic church is thinking about ordaining some rabbis?


20 posted on 11/12/2007 7:16:19 AM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: livius
I was very disappointed that the Jewish temple permitted this

Reform "jews" are not real Jews. they are as phony as are these women "priests".

21 posted on 11/12/2007 7:16:30 AM PST by montag813
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To: Morgana
"The Catholic Church is now allowing women to be priests? When did I miss this? I need to go to mass more often if I am that out of touch."

Need to do more than that if you think the Church is permitting this...

22 posted on 11/12/2007 7:17:19 AM PST by Redbob (WWJBD - "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: OriginalChristian

Getting Catholics upset is the purpose of the media even printing this article. This ceremony has less relevance than the appointment of a new city dog catcher. But the papers print this stuff because it stirs up controversy and upsets decent people.

Apparently the scumbag media whores were successful yet again.


23 posted on 11/12/2007 7:17:50 AM PST by Seruzawa (Attila the Hun... wasn't he a liberal?)
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To: OriginalChristian

They are NOT Catholic Priests!!


24 posted on 11/12/2007 7:19:34 AM PST by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: OriginalChristian

No way should females be priests.

We would not ever attend a Church with a female pastor. Guess we are just old fashioned.


25 posted on 11/12/2007 7:19:35 AM PST by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: OriginalChristian

Where’s Tomás de Torquemada when you really need him? (not sarcasm)


26 posted on 11/12/2007 7:19:55 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: L98Fiero

Can I be an Arch Bishop?


27 posted on 11/12/2007 7:20:48 AM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON/ DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: Morgana
The Catholic Church is now allowing women to be priests?

That's what the article wants us to think.

Me, I'm with Pope Fiero on this, we should kick the bums out!

28 posted on 11/12/2007 7:21:15 AM PST by agere_contra (Do not confuse the wealth of nations with the wealth of government - FDT)
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To: Suzy Quzy
They are NOT Catholic Priests!!

There, fixed it!

29 posted on 11/12/2007 7:21:58 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: OriginalChristian; Charles Henrickson; NYer; xsmommy; mikrofon

This is even less meaningful than my Divinity School Degree.

30 posted on 11/12/2007 7:22:06 AM PST by martin_fierro (Monsignor Marty)
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To: OriginalChristian
Roman Catholic Womenpriests, which defines itself "as an international initiative within the Roman Catholic Church."

A long definition for "a bunch of nobodies with zero standing and even less influence."

31 posted on 11/12/2007 7:22:19 AM PST by relictele
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To: OriginalChristian

OK so I am not a Catholic, and I do NOT know anything about this event, however, what am I suppose to think about the prophecy recorded in Joel 2:28-32 to occur and quoted in Acts 2:17???

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that *I* will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your *DAUGHTERS* shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in *THOSE DAYS* will I pour out My spirit.


32 posted on 11/12/2007 7:22:19 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: OriginalChristian
Roman Catholic Womenpriests, which defines itself "as an international initiative within the Roman Catholic Church."

"... as an international heretical division from the Roman Catholic Church." There ... all fixed.

33 posted on 11/12/2007 7:22:55 AM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: Morgana
The Catholic Church is now allowing women to be priests? When did I miss this? I need to go to mass more often if I am that out of touch.

No, the Roman Catholic Church is not allowing women to become priests. There is no recognized organization within the Roman Catholic Church called, Roman Catholic Womenpriests.

34 posted on 11/12/2007 7:23:01 AM PST by rochester_veteran (born and raised in rachacha!)
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To: OriginalChristian

IN A SYNAGOGUE>>. HAHAHAHHAHAHHA!!! Now I know who was CHEERING!!! Leftists Jews who have strayed so far from THEIR own religion now cheers on “catholics” to leave theirs!


35 posted on 11/12/2007 7:23:02 AM PST by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: lesser_satan

*POOF*, you’re an Arch Bishop. Anybody else need ordained while we’re at it? I’m not exactly Catholic but that didn’t seem to stop these women.


36 posted on 11/12/2007 7:23:54 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: OriginalChristian

Cool. Does this mean freepers can select a “democratic nominee” for President and expect fawning media coverage?


37 posted on 11/12/2007 7:24:21 AM PST by sphinx
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To: wideawake
The Montanists did similar stuff back in the 200s. And how many Montanists live in your parish nowadays?

You are so right: the heresies and adherents eventually die off and are forgotten by all except Justice. At one time centuries ago, Arianists almost succeeded in hijacking the Church. Nearly all bishops professed that heresy as the truth, yet it failed.

Note that these two heretical women are in their sixth decade of life. They will also soon be gone and forgotten.

38 posted on 11/12/2007 7:24:37 AM PST by TheGeezer (I.will.never.vote.for.John.McCain.)
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To: OriginalChristian

At least one of them has "man hands".

39 posted on 11/12/2007 7:25:32 AM PST by Cagey (Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after.......Thoreau)
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To: lesser_satan

Every day there are people trying to invent religions to suit themselves. This case is no different. I can declare myself to be a “Minister” who supports any ridiculous policy “in the name of God” and get plenty of fawning media coverage. Big deal. Do these clowns have it all figured out? I doubt it!


40 posted on 11/12/2007 7:25:53 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Just mythoughts
and your sons and your *DAUGHTERS* shall prophesy

You don't have to be a priest to help spread God's word.

41 posted on 11/12/2007 7:25:59 AM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: OriginalChristian

Heretics...They deserve what their heresy will bring them.


42 posted on 11/12/2007 7:27:03 AM PST by DGHoodini (The Dems no longer have the humanity to grasp that there are things worth dying for.)
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To: L98Fiero

Yep. I’m not Catholic or celibate, and I eat meat on Friday, but if they can have women priests, I figure what the heck, I can give it a shot.


43 posted on 11/12/2007 7:27:14 AM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON/ DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: Cagey

My guess is they are lesbians.

“As Hudson and McGrath welcomed hugs and congratulations in their new white vestments, Andrew Wolf, 34, of south St. Louis County, made his way to Hudson. He said that as a homosexual, he fell away from Catholicism when he was 17. He recently wanted to return but wasn’t sure how — until Sunday.”


44 posted on 11/12/2007 7:28:30 AM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Just mythoughts

My Church is the Assemblies of God, and we do ordain women as Ministers. But the Catholic Church does not ordain women as Ministers, and I respect their right to have their own rules and beliefs of Ordination.

There is nothing “disputed” about this, the Catholic Church does not allow for women to be Ordained as Priests in their Church. These women are not Catholic Priests and the Rabbi that allowed this fake ceremony to go foward did so as a slap in the face to the Catholic Church.


45 posted on 11/12/2007 7:28:41 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: PGR88

Exactly. I don’t go to church except for weddings and funerals, so I’m probably not really in a position to be overly critical, but this PC BS isn’t going to make it very likely I’ll be going anytime soon. It’s not just the Catholics either. The whole institution of religion is being taken over by this crap.


46 posted on 11/12/2007 7:30:04 AM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON/ DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: lesser_satan

They are NOT Priests....and since they have done this act, they are’t even Catholic anymore.


47 posted on 11/12/2007 7:31:22 AM PST by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: al_c
You don't have to be a priest to help spread God's word.

What vehicle then would man use to ordain a female to spread God's word? To prophesy one would have to at the very least be learned in God's word. I can't find it Written that *man* will have much to say about who God elects to use male or female.

48 posted on 11/12/2007 7:32:07 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
"Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that *I* will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your *DAUGHTERS* shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in *THOSE DAYS* will I pour out My spirit.

Neither refers to the priesthood. There have been quite a few female prophets in the Catholic Church. And the Holy Spirit is poured out upon all that are baptized.

49 posted on 11/12/2007 7:32:59 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: OriginalChristian
Next thing, the Pope will be presiding over a bris.

By the way, liberals, a bunch that's always howling about "gender", won't use the grammatically correct term priestess.

50 posted on 11/12/2007 7:34:01 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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