Posted on 11/12/2007 7:42:23 AM PST by pissant
ditto
Huckabee really doesn’t have a record on immigration, cause its a federal issue, and he was a governor. So all we got to go on is what Huckabee says. And what Huckabee says sounds allot like McCain, Bush, etc.
What powers Huckabee the Governor really did has is giving state welfare to illegals. What is his record on that? Welfare is sort of a magnet, although I think jobs are a bigger magnet, by a factor of at least 3. But thats my opinion.
I've heard him mention deportation and employer sanctions. See additional information below.
Huckabee (Immigration) Attacks Unfounded
RedState | October 2007 | radicalconservative
Where does Huckabee really stand on the issue of illegal immigration? At first glance of all the chatter, some of the news stories, and the editorials out there floating around, one would believe that Huckabee is, not only soft on illegal immigration, but actually, farther to the left of the issue than our current President. After reading all of the stories out there and listening to the facts in the case against Huckabee, I was beginning to have some serious doubts about the sincerity of this candidate myself, who is admittedly a strong Huckabee supporter.
However, upon doing a little research on this particular issue I discovered that, as usual, there is more than one side to the story. Evidently, the truth of the matter goes a little more like this: Huckabee opposes illegal immigration, supports sealing the border, and opposes amnesty. In a perfect world that would be enough, but this is no perfect world as we all know. The fact of the matter is that there are millions of illegals in this country already, and there is a constant flow of them across our borders each and every day. Another fact, Huckabee supports the deportation of illegal immigrants, but he believes that the process should be a better one.
Case in point is the 119 illegals deported in an Arkansas raid of a plant in 2005, in which officials, without having properly done their homework, proceeded to deport the illegals leaving their children behind here in the states to be a burden to our already overloaded system.
Also, according to the Arkansas State Constitution, children of all ages, whether legal or illegal are entitled to an education. Huckabee following the logic of the state's Constitution, supported allowing children of the illegals to attend Arkansas colleges at in-state rates. Bear in mind these are not individuals who came here illegally, but rather the offspring of those individuals. Holding said offspring responsible for the sins of the parents is like holding anyone else responsible for some crime committed by their forefathers. This is a preposterous notion, a dangerous road, and completely inconsistent with the ideology of compassionate conservatism.
Now, before anyone goes hysterical here, let me point out that we are not suggesting that illegals, who are definately in violation of the law, be given any form of amnesty, nor is there any promotion of the idea of an open border here. However, as in any crime or act of wrongdoing their are always innocents involved who may become collateral damage. Let's be clear there should be a secure border between the U.S. and its bordering nations, there should be no amnesty, and there should always be consequences for breaking the law, but we must remember to follow the ideology of compassionate conservatism as well. After all our system is a system of checks and balances, and we must not forget that there are two sides to the scales of justice. These are the principles that guide Presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee. These are the principles that should guide every American.
Source can be found at http://mikehuckabeepresident2008.blogspot.com/2005/08/msm-huckabee-right-on-illegal.html
http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2005/08/13/opinion/18editorial.txt
Why because Huckabee says it wasn't amnesty? Bush said it wasn't amnesty too. That didn't change the fact that it was amnesty. The lie belongs to Huck.
Huckabee is often pretty impressive in debates. But, his Bush-like, pro-amnesty views immediately disqualify him from ever receiving my vote. It’s the one subject that sets me off like a rocket, and I’m bound and determined to NEVER give my vote again to anyone so dismissive of the border situation, even if they somehow manage to get the nomination. If that’s the case, it will be the 1st time in my entire voting life (25 years) that I’ll not be pulling the lever for the Republican. But, I’m 100% unyielding on this, no matter how many times the Hillary boogey-man card is played.
Of course, I totally agree with Huckabee’s response to that specific question.
His pandering to LULAC and other left-wing pro-illegal groups is well documented--but if he is your guy, then he is your guy...
In 2006 Huckabee was every bit the amnesty shill that Bush was and is.
I’ve just emailed this article to a radio host who seems to think Huck is great on immigration! Please join me.
Bill Cunningham
Will do! Thanks AuntB
It says as a matter of fact that Huckabee supports amnesty. That's a lie. If someone chooses not to believe what Huckabee says, that's their prerogative. But one shouldn't state their personal opinions as though they were a matter of objective fact.
A more objective description of Huckabee's position on immigration is pasted below:
The Rap Against Huckabee, What’s true, and what’s not
National Review Online | 10/30/2007 | Byron York
"On immigration, Huckabee is a strong advocate of a fence across the entire U.S.–Mexico border. While Congress debates guest-worker programs, Huckabee tells me, the most important problem is being ignored. “Seal the border,” he says. “Until you do that, you don’t have any control over how many people are coming in, who they are, and where they’re going.” At the same time, Huckabee has taken criticism for his proposal, as governor, to offer Arkansas in-state tuition to illegal aliens and their children. “I have always said you don’t punish a child for the crime of a parent,” Huckabee tells me. “Frankly, it’s in our best interest to try to get that child on to a higher level of education.”
Huckabee wants to deport illegals who commit crimes, not all of them.
Now, before anyone goes hysterical here, let me point out that we are not suggesting that illegals, who are definately in violation of the law, be given any form of amnesty, nor is there any promotion of the idea of an open border here. However, as in any crime or act of wrongdoing their are always innocents involved who may become collateral damage. Let's be clear there should be a secure border between the U.S. and its bordering nations, there should be no amnesty, and there should always be consequences for breaking the law, but we must remember to follow the ideology of compassionate conservatism as well.
If you read other quotes on the subject by Huckabee from the link I provided you, the "compassion" Huckabee advocates is amnesty no matter how he tries to disguise it.
"I don't want to have an amnesty program. You can't let people break a law and say 'hey we're going to look the other way, don't worry about it, we're going to let you in, no problem.' People have to make restitution, there's got to be a penalty paid for the crime committed. But it ought to fit the crime; you don't put somebody in jail for ten years because they came across the border to make a living.
You make them pay something, you make them go through a process, you may put them in the back of the line for the process, but you create a process that's realistic. You don't say the back of the line starts and for the next 12 years you're going to be filling out paperwork.
What you do say is you're going to pay the fine, we're going to have a system that can be done in an orderly fashion, and you'll be able to be legal but we're not going to let you off scot free. That's important." March 27, 2007; RealClearPolitics.com
We shouldn't have amnesty where we just say, 'Fine, everybody's good, we're going to let it go.' We should have a process where people can pay the penalties, step up and accept responsibility for not being here legally. But here's the point. The objective is not to be punitive. The objective is to make things right. Right for us. Right for them." February 7, 2007; ABC News
"Illegal immigrants who commit crimes 'must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and incarcerated or deported,' he said. He is opposed to amnesty and believes that 'those who came here illegally years ago and are now law-abiding taxpayers must pay a significant fine as admission of their guilt and have a choice of deportation or a rigorous process toward legal status.'" July 16, 2007; Des Moines Register (Iowa)
The only person lying is Huck. There can be no more definitive proof than the words from his mouth in the posted article. Just because Huck, Bush, Kennedy and McCain choose to call it something other than amnesty, does not make it so.
Not sure what you are referring to here. Because what wasn't amnesty?
It is true. He supports amnesty by allowing illegals to stay here and pay fines and get to the back of the line.
Denial just ain't a river in Egypt.
I found a pretty good source.
Still waiting for a response to Post 26. Who do you think is better than Huckabee on illegal immigration, (other than Hunter who obviously is), and why?
I was referring to YOUR statement. What’s not to get???
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