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Zogby: Liberals Drive Rush Limbaugh's Ratings
BBSNews - Sources ^ | November 12 2007 | Edited by: Michael Hess

Posted on 11/12/2007 11:34:28 AM PST by rface

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1 posted on 11/12/2007 11:34:29 AM PST by rface
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“compared to 20% of liberals and 18% of moderates who said the same thing. In other words, Limbaugh’s potential audience is larger than that of liberal competitors because more liberals say they will listen to conservatives than vice versa.”

Its very simple. Liberals are not entertaining or optimistic. Who wants to sit around and listen to doom and gloom and it’s “Bush’s Fault.” It not inspiring, entertaining or informative. Also, subconciously, those liberal listeners want to change to the dark side, they just won’t admit it. Peer pressure ya know. :)


2 posted on 11/12/2007 11:38:42 AM PST by Bruinator
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Well, I suppose liberals like to break away and hear the truth once in awhile.

It helps them separate truth from spin. They get educated, and go on to deny all the truth they discovered.


3 posted on 11/12/2007 11:39:17 AM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: rface

Zogby has low credibility. You really cannot accept as fact any statement from Zogby.


4 posted on 11/12/2007 11:39:25 AM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: rface
liberals were much more likely than conservatives to listen to commentary and entertainment with which they disagreed philosophically

Oh, right...it's Zogby.

5 posted on 11/12/2007 11:40:05 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: rface

*Grin*

So conservatives don’t enjoy listening to morons and pablum spewing lefties while liberals do enjoy listening to intelligence and common sense.

Hmmmmm . . .


6 posted on 11/12/2007 11:41:16 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: rface
" Liberals are almost twice as likely as conservatives to read literary fiction.."

Yeah, but they often don't know it's fiction..


7 posted on 11/12/2007 11:41:25 AM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: rface

Zogby is a proven liar. Rush’s audience is not drawn from libs.


8 posted on 11/12/2007 11:41:26 AM PST by ozzymandus
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“...liberals were much more likely than conservatives to listen to commentary and entertainment with which they disagreed philosophically. This could be part of the reason Air America has faltered – there are simply fewer potential listeners.”


What a bunch of crap.


9 posted on 11/12/2007 11:42:10 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: rface

Keep listening liberals. Maybe you will see the light and convert.


10 posted on 11/12/2007 11:42:42 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: rface

They’re trying to spin this as “liberals are more open to other points of view” - that’s pure BS. The most intolerant people on earth are “liberals”.

Mr Zogby misread his results. Libs listen to conservative radio and conservatives don’t listen to liberal radio because:

Conservative radio is good.
Liberal radio SUCKS rocks.


11 posted on 11/12/2007 11:43:04 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: rface

Harry Reid listens to Rush as per his tantrum denouncing Rush about the phony soldiers in which Harry was incorrect.


12 posted on 11/12/2007 11:43:26 AM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: rface

You would think they would learn something while they listened.


13 posted on 11/12/2007 11:43:28 AM PST by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: Bruinator

I watch CNN, the networks, etc., because I want to know what the other side is doing.

BTW...I’ve seen some research that shows more Democrats watch FoxNews than CNN.


14 posted on 11/12/2007 11:43:41 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: rface

Sorry, Zogby and Gallup, and all the rest...I’ll take two ounces of common sense over fifty gallons of polling data any day when it comes to trying to figure out what is going on around me.


15 posted on 11/12/2007 11:44:26 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: MrB

So true, so true.


16 posted on 11/12/2007 11:44:39 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: rface
Funny how this article comes out the day Rushbo said that Tim Russet asked the question of the illegal licenses because of him. I bet’cha it GOATS them, the liberalWHORES to no end when Rush teases them! “Don’t Tease me, bro!”LOL
17 posted on 11/12/2007 11:45:37 AM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: rface

Liberals can listen to conservative ideas and even like to steal them on occasion, like Bubba Clintoon. Every once in a while they’ll find themselves saying, “hey, that’s a good point.”

But conservatives have trouble listening to liberal idiots for more than 5 seconds before hitting the off button. The last time I heard myself saying “that’s a good point” to a liberal idea was ...

well, let me get back to you.


18 posted on 11/12/2007 11:46:27 AM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

They kicked me off the Zogby polling...


19 posted on 11/12/2007 11:47:32 AM PST by griswold3 (Al queda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
Okay, be a cynic and dont believe Zogby. But you cant deny anything put out by the "Norman Lear Center at the University of Southern California's Annenberg School".

;-)

20 posted on 11/12/2007 11:47:33 AM PST by lowbridge
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Keep in mind that the other participant in this garbage was the Norman Lear Center. Norman Lear is a very far left Hollywood guy despite his funny TV shows years ago.


21 posted on 11/12/2007 11:47:44 AM PST by maplenut
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I wouldn't believe anything that came out of Norman Lear, except possibly a bowel movement.

It strikes me that this is Lear's left-wing agitprop with a thin icing of Zogby to make it seem like it's a poll rather than an outright fabrication. As though the two are mutually exclusive ...

22 posted on 11/12/2007 11:48:12 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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Zogby and Norman Lear...yeah sure! I’ll believe anything those 2 have to say about Rush. Sure I will.


23 posted on 11/12/2007 11:48:34 AM PST by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: MrB

and again they assign “red” to the conservative side, to avoid giving it (most appropriately) to the socialist Left.


24 posted on 11/12/2007 11:48:35 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Kevmo

You are nicer than me. When a lib starts spewing their points, I say “are you freakin’ nuts”? LOL


25 posted on 11/12/2007 11:48:39 AM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: rface

“his popularity may have more to do with pre–set beliefs in the minds of his listeners than with his presentation skills.”

Then why don’t other hosts draw identical numbers?


26 posted on 11/12/2007 11:48:54 AM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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Limbaugh’s show is truly useful.

I now pick up women the Limbaugh way. I ask them their names and then always respond “oh that’s one of my top ten favorite all time female names”


27 posted on 11/12/2007 11:49:21 AM PST by NeoCaveman ("Don't doubt me" - The Great El Rushbo)
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To: rightinthemiddle
BTW...I’ve seen some research that shows more Democrats watch FoxNews than CNN.

Liberals have to be angry about something to function properly as liberals, and watching FOX helps with that. :^)

28 posted on 11/12/2007 11:49:46 AM PST by Disambiguator (Political Correctness is criminal insanity writ large.)
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99.9% of liberals prefer not to be called liberals.

100% of conservatives have no problem with being called conservatives.

99.9% of liberals would like to see speech, video, music, radio and television that does not agree with their philosophy censored.

100% of conservatives believe that any speech, video, music, radio and television with which they disagree should be funded only by those who like the content and not with public taxpayer funded money.

99.9% of liberals believe the government should decide what gets broadcast.

100% of conservatives believe the free market should determine what gets air time.

And one conservative radio commentator actually sold a letter of censure from the Democrats in the Senate for $2.1 million dollars on eBay AND matched the funds with his own money.

While a liberal radio network surreptiously took funds from a charity for Boys and Girls.

29 posted on 11/12/2007 11:49:47 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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Media Matters pays their base to “listen in” and take statements out of context. There is no point to quoting (or deliberately misquoting) Herr Amerika.


30 posted on 11/12/2007 11:50:07 AM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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Let me see...

A man is saturated with leftism from his first Sesame Street episode, through nearly all music, television and movies, throughout his entire education, everywhere he goes, everything he does, and he is supposed to be “closed minded” because he doesn’t actively seek out leftist propaganda?


31 posted on 11/12/2007 11:51:07 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ("The bourgeoisie will remember my carbuncles until their dying day," -Karl Marx)
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To: Teacher317

oh, you KNOW that was on purpose.

I’ve heard, however, that they alternate the color of the incumbent party every couple of election cycles or some such thing. At least this matches the pattern.

Reagan was blue against Carter and Mondale. Bush 41 was Blue vs Clinton. Dole red vs Clinton. Bush red in 2000 & 2004. It’s time to switch again, I think....


32 posted on 11/12/2007 11:51:47 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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Red WAS the color of Democrat election victories until the recent elections when the same media that changed the colors made it clear to us WHICH party was now “Red”.


33 posted on 11/12/2007 11:51:51 AM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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They keep talking about how conservatives don’t “read”.

Missing from this analysis is reading current events on the internet.

I used to be a huge reader, but since FR, I find that cruising the internet reading news links and articles has replaced a lot of my reading. I also find fiction nowadays sensational, cheap and lot like a liberal movie. It preaches at you most of the time and inbetween that is simply salacious.

Also, I do watch the business channels. They are an education in themselves. When you understand the markets and economics, it’s hard for the tripe on TV to pull the wool over your eyes as far as politics is concerned.


35 posted on 11/12/2007 11:54:06 AM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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an extensive five–month polling and research project by Zogby International and the Norman Lear Center at the University of Southern California's Annenberg School shows his popularity may have more to do with pre–set beliefs in the minds of his listeners than with his presentation skills.

Which explains why his ratings are the not any higher than the myriad of other conservative talk show hosts with nationally syndicated shows........not.

36 posted on 11/12/2007 11:54:08 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: rightinthemiddle
What a bunch of crap.

BBSNews - Sources = Big Bull$hitter$ News - Sources = Bunch of crap

37 posted on 11/12/2007 11:54:41 AM PST by hflynn ( Soros wouldn't make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: FrPR

My MIL really hates Rush, and I asked her why.

It’s the same complaint she has about my views -

“he’s just so SURE of himself”. (Yes, it’s easy to be sure of yourself when you’re RIGHT.)

Like Rush’s “bombastic” definition in his promos - lefties just CRINGE when someone is RIGHT and KNOWS they’re right.


38 posted on 11/12/2007 11:54:42 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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http://www.uselectionatlas.org/BOTTOM/faq.php

FAQ:

Why are Republicans in blue and Democrats in red (while most other news organizations have the opposite)?

Elephants have a blue hue and donkeys have a red hue :) (Actually, as a visitor pointed out, elephants are actually gray - but they appear to look more blue than red :) Red and blue are chosen for the maps because they both are primary colors and because they both are incorporated in the flag. The choice of which party is represented by which color was somewhat arbitrary. I was perhaps influenced by maps that I had seen in the distant past (I still remember the solid blue field of Ronald Reagan's re-election in my hometown newspaper in 1984 - I was 14 at the time). Also, internationally, red typically represents parties on the left side of the political spectrum, i.e. the Democrats here in the U.S.

Actually I believe he's rewritten this and when first asked said that he refused to regenerate all of the maps to suit the whims of the media's recent shift.

39 posted on 11/12/2007 11:54:49 AM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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“They’re not big book readers, but when they do read, they prefer non-fiction. “

Yes, we prefer the truth. And the reason we don’t read as much is because we’re working to support the “Blues.”


40 posted on 11/12/2007 11:54:55 AM PST by Slapshot68
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People with a "blue" entertainment preference like many of different types of programming, even if it doesn't reflect their taste or values. They shy away from a lot of primetime programming, especially game shows and reality TV, but they like comedies, drama, documentaries, news, and arts and educational programming. They love 60 Minutes, PBS, HBO, Comedy Central and The Daily Show. They go to the movies, where they often see comedies, and they like to go to live theater and museums and galleries. They read books more often than most people – they prefer fiction to non-fiction, but their favorite genre is politics and current events. They enjoy entertainment with political themes, and they feel like they learn about politics from entertainment. Sports are less interesting to them, but football is their favorite, and they're more likely to follow soccer than other people. They like lots of different kinds of music (except country) and they watch MTV and VH1. They play video games a lot more than other people – Mario and The Sims are favorites.

So they watch stuff that doesn't match their values by watching MTV, VH1, and prime-time comedies and dramas. Given this, does Zogby have any sense how silly it sounds to paint lefties as willing to watch stuff that "doesn't agree with their values?" MTV, VH1, prime-time comedies and dramas are, by and large, secular-humanist, left-wing values put to a soundtrack. Watching Sex and the City (I think that's its name) and Seinfeld reruns is not a sign of open-mindedness for a leftie.

What this poll probably says is that liberals think of themselves as open-minded and, when asked if they watch programs that do not reflect their values, they say "yes" even if it is total self-delusion.

Ask them how many listen to Rush or Michael Savage or Fox News.

41 posted on 11/12/2007 11:55:04 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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Limbaugh is enjoyable On Air. I mostly agree with Sean Hannity too, but can’t stand his On Air style. Root Canal comes to mind.
42 posted on 11/12/2007 11:55:36 AM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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This could be part of the reason Air America has faltered – there are simply fewer potential listeners.

This statement is akin to another I know of:

...Pork bellies, which produce bacon, like you might find on a bacon, lettuce and tomato sanwich.

43 posted on 11/12/2007 11:55:48 AM PST by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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Liberals more likely to listen to other opinions than their own.

This does not conform to my (admittedly anecdotal) experience. Liberals can’t stand to listen to other opinions.


44 posted on 11/12/2007 11:55:56 AM PST by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
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Rush Limbaugh touts himself – mostly in jest – as having "talent on loan from God"

No he's serious about that.
45 posted on 11/12/2007 11:55:59 AM PST by Vision (" 'Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the Lord Almighty." Zechariah 4:6)
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In other words, Limbaugh's potential audience is larger than that of liberal competitors because more liberals say they will listen to conservatives than vice versa.

What liberals say, and what liberals do, are two different things. I know of many liberals. I know of none who read or listen to conservative viewpoints. Liberals have an excessive need to show their questioners that they are open-minded. In the liberal world, it is better to lie than to appear to be close-minded. This is why you get more liberal attempts to censor conservative speech than the other way around. Watch what they do, not what they say. Hillary Clinton has said a lot of things. The problem has always been her deeds, not her words.

46 posted on 11/12/2007 11:56:29 AM PST by Zhang Fei
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Yes, because it’s true.

Leftists can’t fathom the idea that all of our talent is granted by God, and not of our own accomplishment.


47 posted on 11/12/2007 11:56:48 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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Okay, be a cynic and dont believe Zogby. But you cant deny anything put out by the "Norman Lear Center at the University of Southern California's Annenberg School".

LOL. Great line!

48 posted on 11/12/2007 11:56:48 AM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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Conservatives overwhelmingly (76%) believe that TV shows and movies "very often" contain political messages, but they are the least likely to learn anything about political issues from them. Just 4% say they learn lessons from movies. * While 68% of liberals seek out entertainment that contains political themes and commentary, just 33% of moderates are the least likely to do so.

So liberals learn from fantasies rather than facts? Who'd a thunk it?

49 posted on 11/12/2007 11:58:12 AM PST by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
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To: FormerACLUmember
Zogby has low credibility. You really cannot accept as fact any statement from Zogby.

2006 Zogby Results, Senate Races

1. Missouri (McCaskill v. Talent)
Final Zogby Poll: McCaskill 46, Talent 43 (McCaskill +3).
Actual Result: McCaskill 50, Talent 47 (McCaskill +3)

2. Virgina (Webb v. Allen)
Final Zogby Poll: Webb 45, Allen 44 (Webb +1)
Actual Result: Webb 50, Allen 49 (Webb +1)

3. Tennessee (Corker v. Ford)
Final Zogby Poll: Corker 53, Ford 43 (Corker+10)
Actual Result: Corker 51, Ford 48 (Corker +3)

In 2006, Zogby got all the outcomes right and got the spreads right as well, except in Tennessee where he significantly overstated Republican performance. He did screw up in 2004, but he was very good in '02 and '06.

50 posted on 11/12/2007 11:58:29 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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