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Zogby: Liberals Drive Rush Limbaugh's Ratings
BBSNews - Sources ^ | November 12 2007 | Edited by: Michael Hess

Posted on 11/12/2007 11:34:28 AM PST by rface

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To: MrB

MrB,

That would be a nice conclusion IF that was what Zogby was actually polling. Instead, he is trying to apply the results of very vague and open-ended questions to something very specific. For libs to say “oh yeah, I love stuff I don’t agree with” and to ACTUALLY PRACTICE ON THAT BELIEF are two totally different things.

If you want to find out if libs actually listen to Rush, why doesn’t Zogby perform a REAL poll that asks, “Do you listen to Rsuh Limbaugh? Given only two choices, are you more likely to classify yourself as a liberal or conservative?”

Wow - then you’d ACTUALLY get some results instead of trying to create some BS extrapolation from BS data.

OF COURSE, libs say they are tolerant. That’s what they SAY. How they act is another matter altogether.

Real message behind the poll: conservatives are more intellectually honest than liberals.


51 posted on 11/12/2007 11:58:39 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: rface
...shows that liberals were much more likely than conservatives to listen to commentary and entertainment with which they disagreed philosophically. This could be part of the reason Air America has faltered – there are simply fewer potential listeners.

Of course it can't possibly be because left wing talk radio is in most instances deplorable and completely devoid of any entertainment value.
52 posted on 11/12/2007 11:59:11 AM PST by rottndog (Four decades and counting.....and "middle aged" no where in sight!)
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To: Jaxter
"Liberals are almost twice as likely as conservatives to read literary fiction.."

Yeah, but they often don't know it's fiction..

I think they often don't want to know it's fiction

53 posted on 11/12/2007 11:59:26 AM PST by pigsmith (Viewing life as a gift from God, I tend to regard self-defense more as an obligation.)
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To: rface
they're more likely to follow soccer than other people

Those dirty...anti-American...treacherous...SCUM!!!!

54 posted on 11/12/2007 12:01:18 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: FormerACLUmember
Sorry, left out Montana. Tester beat Burns by 1%, and again, that was the exact margin and result predicted by Zogby.

Zogby predicted every 2006 Senate race correctly.

55 posted on 11/12/2007 12:01:27 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: pigsmith

“I think they often don’t want to know it’s fiction”

I’m not sure a true liberal even knows how to determine the difference between truth and fiction.

Brain defect.


56 posted on 11/12/2007 12:01:32 PM PST by Slapshot68
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To: ozzymandus

He tried to steal an election by cooking the books on election day with biased poll samples.


57 posted on 11/12/2007 12:02:40 PM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Vision

The Left sees it as a boast. Actually it is a humble admission.

The actors and musicians who “thank God” for things in their lives are not similarly scoffed for thanking God for their talents.


59 posted on 11/12/2007 12:05:22 PM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Slapshot68
I’m not sure a true liberal even knows how to determine the difference between truth and fiction.

true liberals don't believe in an objective truth. Truth is whatever truth is for the individual at any given moment.

60 posted on 11/12/2007 12:05:48 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Slapshot68

Really, I read, and have read quite a bit in my lifetime. Love the horror books, King, Koontz etal...


61 posted on 11/12/2007 12:06:39 PM PST by Bruinator
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To: rface

“18% of moderates who said the same thing”

Note how they are implying that moderates are closer to liberals here. And further trying to bolster the idea that “liberals are more open-minded” to listen to “opposing” views.


62 posted on 11/12/2007 12:06:42 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Bruinator

I was being sarcastic. ;)


63 posted on 11/12/2007 12:07:24 PM PST by Slapshot68
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To: rface

Same Zogby that predicted “Victory for Kerry”.


64 posted on 11/12/2007 12:07:38 PM PST by JerseyDvl (If You Support America - Thank a Soldier; If You Support Al-Qaeda - Thank a Democrat!)
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To: Slapshot68

I understand that. No worries.


65 posted on 11/12/2007 12:07:59 PM PST by Bruinator
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To: the OlLine Rebel

“And further trying to bolster the idea that “liberals are more open-minded” to listen to “opposing” views.”

And the liberal definition of “open-minded” is different than that of conservatives. I’m fairly conservative but I’m open-minded in that I’ll listen to opposing views, debate them accordingly. But to a liberal, “open-minded” means indoctrination without debate.


66 posted on 11/12/2007 12:09:11 PM PST by Slapshot68
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To: rface
He often says it is because he is merely confirming what listeners already believed, not because of his powers of persuasion.

And this is the same for nearly all commentators, on radio, TV, the net, etc.

67 posted on 11/12/2007 12:09:20 PM PST by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: griswold3

I havent been kicked off but all I get these days is surveys on identifying silverwear patterns and other such foolishness...


68 posted on 11/12/2007 12:10:14 PM PST by gnarledmaw (It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration.)
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To: rface

BTTT


69 posted on 11/12/2007 12:10:31 PM PST by Rightly Biased (Courage is not the lack of fear it is acting in spite of it<><)
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To: MrB
They’re trying to spin this as “liberals are more open to other points of view” - that’s pure BS.

I notice they don't mention liberals watching Foxnews... Liberals like shows with political themes because nearly all the shows with political themes have liberal themes (except on fox). That doesn't show open-mindedness to me - it shows conformity.

I'd guess conservatives have given up on movies, theater, museums, etc because the leftist messaging in those venues has become more and more blatant every year. It's not about not being open to hearing the other side, it's about being sick of hearing ONLY the other side. I'm sure their questions weren't focused enough to detect that...

70 posted on 11/12/2007 12:11:04 PM PST by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: rface

The poll seems to say nothing about Rush Limbaugh’s listenership, it is all unscientific extrapolation. The main theme is that liberals are more open minded, which is not accurate.


71 posted on 11/12/2007 12:14:12 PM PST by Williams
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To: indylindy

bwhaahaaha yep i get my self into a lot of ‘fun trouble’ using those same words....’are you crazy!?”
‘what the hell are YOU talkin’ about’....or the ever ready

‘thats hors$hit’ hahahaha

after the lead ins you hammer em with about a half a dozen hard facts and they either shaddup....or (even more fun) they meltdown....ie: start to sputter; then the spittle flies hither and yon and then they begin to wildly flay their arms knockin over their coffeee....its just side splitting....and ever so entertaining....fun to see fun to do.
i usually end up with ‘ and just what part of the journey thru oz into never never land are you passing thru right about now? ..jees you’re somewhere circling the outer rings of saturn here lad it seems to me’..
it’s more fun than a human being ought to have....!


72 posted on 11/12/2007 12:14:14 PM PST by flat
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To: rface
This story makes liberals seem to be high-minded rather than low-browed..... I think they are just to stupid to figure out what is going on... like their radio is broken or they are to fat and lazy to get up and change the channel after the infomercials about the miracle cure Xantos-jahobabab from the Swaziland desert.
73 posted on 11/12/2007 12:15:04 PM PST by Porterville (Don't bug me about my grammar, you are not that great.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

“Maybe you will see the light and convert.”

Rush did. He stopped pooh-poohing “conspiracy theory”, NWO, etc since about 7-8 years ago.......plus he has evolved from a dependable Republican first, foremost, and always, into what I’d call “American, first foremost and always”.

I’d say that Rush has become what is “on loan from God” to those of us who are “American, first foremost and always”.


74 posted on 11/12/2007 12:15:32 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Porterville

This story makes liberals seem to be high-minded rather than low-browed..... I think they are just too stupid to figure out what is going on... like their radio is broken or they are too fat and lazy to get up and change the channel after the infomercials about the miracle cure Xantos-jahobabab from the Swaziland desert.


75 posted on 11/12/2007 12:15:44 PM PST by Porterville (Don't bug me about my grammar, you are not that great.)
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To: rface

Of course liberals are more likely to watch programming with a political theme. Where is there any programming with a non-liberal political theme?


76 posted on 11/12/2007 12:16:26 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Teacher317

socialists don’t get a right to own anything, not my property and not the color red, which is one of my favorites. They should get an ugly color, like the color of puke


77 posted on 11/12/2007 12:16:40 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: rface

“...Limbaugh’s potential audience is larger than that of liberal competitors because more liberals say they will listen to conservatives than vice versa.”

Ah...so the message of this article is that Libs are more open minded than us narrowly focused bigots of Conservative persuasion. I say BS. If Libs are listening to Rush, then it is solely for the purpose of nitpicking his philosophies, and trying to find error or misstatements to ram him with.

Being extremely hard of hearing, I find the program difficult to attend due the excessive advertising (for me, very tiring). I enjoy reading at his site though. Rush has quite a great mind.


78 posted on 11/12/2007 12:17:45 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rface

Not one word on “church attendance” or even “religion”.


79 posted on 11/12/2007 12:21:10 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Tailgunner Joe

To say “there’s no way to inject liberalism into a football game” is to not watch Monday night football on ESPN. I believe it was the first game of the season they had Spike Lee on bemoaning Katrina.


80 posted on 11/12/2007 12:21:35 PM PST by John Freeman
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To: rface

Both of these polling groups are liberal. >:-}


81 posted on 11/12/2007 12:23:25 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: flat

I like to hit them with what one of the liberal programs will do to them if it happens.

Like the fact that the rich aren’t the only ones who are going to get taxed, and how it will end up hitting their wallet.

Now with Jon Carey, I had a really good time because he was a snotty idiot. Sad thing for them too, because they knew it!


82 posted on 11/12/2007 12:24:58 PM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Zogby predicted every 2006 Senate race correctly.

So did pretty much polling organization in the country. In many of the races, Zogby's margins were totally off (the Senate races in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Tennessee for example).

Besides, when the results of a race are going to be known to the world when it's over, it pays to do your damnedest to get it right. Not the case with this type of poll. There will never be any results to compare it to. It will never be judged for accuracy. It's just Zogby, an activist leftist, pushing his own leftist agenda. Like he does every other time he can get away with it.

Trust the guy at your peril. But I sure as hell don't.

83 posted on 11/12/2007 12:26:42 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (I don't think she understood at all what I was saying. -- Anita Esterday on Hillary Clinton)
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To: BallyBill
“Limbaugh is enjoyable On Air. I mostly agree with Sean Hannity too, but can’t stand his On Air style. Root Canal comes to mind.”

Rush is real. Hannity, to me, seems a bit plastic.

84 posted on 11/12/2007 12:28:55 PM PST by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia. Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: rface

This is Astrology and Horoscope reading...That, or I have MPD.

I find reading the desciptions, that I can easily catagorize myself as a Red, Blue, or Purple, depending on a mood I may be in, on any given day.

“Today is a bad day to hit yourself in the foot with a hammer....”


85 posted on 11/12/2007 12:32:26 PM PST by DGHoodini (The Dems no longer have the humanity to grasp that there are things worth dying for.)
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To: rface
The extensive interactive survey of deeply held beliefs and behavior patterns – conducted June 26–29, 2007, including 3,939 adults nationwide and carrying a margin of error of +/– 1.6 percentage points – shows that liberals were much more likely than conservatives to listen to commentary and entertainment with which they disagreed philosophically. This could be part of the reason Air America has faltered – there are simply fewer potential listeners.

This is psychotic. Zogby has long gone round the bend with his anti-American and anti-Semitic tirades.

86 posted on 11/12/2007 12:33:31 PM PST by pabianice
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To: weegee
Red is historically the color of revolution and radicalism as black has been the color of anarchy and blue is for conservatives.

It was the revolutionaries of the 1800s that cemented Red as their color because it is the color of the blood they were so determined to spill and it was enthusiastically adopted by the Communists.

The MSM reassigned the colors because red was too identified with the left by everyone and Americans are generally distrustful of Left. I was appalled when the Conservative media and politicians accepted the change without much comment at all. Are we now accepting the mantle of Revolution?

87 posted on 11/12/2007 12:33:33 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: AlexW

Hannity’s show is for soccer moms. He actually serves a valuable purpose, as long as you don’t have to listen to him or his audience.


88 posted on 11/12/2007 12:35:11 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (I don't think she understood at all what I was saying. -- Anita Esterday on Hillary Clinton)
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To: rface

Certainly Rush attracts listeners of like mind. Does anyone seriously believe that is any different than those who listen to Air America? What is key is not who listens to Rush, but how many. Rush has a huge audience as do other conservative talk shows indicating that there are lots of conservative minded Americans. Liberal talk radio has always had ratings problems simply because relatively few people agree with their perspective and tune in to listen. It is the same reason that the MSM is headed to extinction. When people are given a choice they tune in those they most agree with.


89 posted on 11/12/2007 12:36:21 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

I am not usually a talk radio listener, but i have had occasion to listen to several days shows over the last few weeks, of Limbaugh and Hannity following him. And one thing that *did*...cause me mild wonder..was how many callers were DemoLibs...and it seemed that Hannity had many more Libs calling his show than Rushs’ show.

He *does* seem to get their panties all bunched up...the Dem womens too. ;o)


90 posted on 11/12/2007 12:44:57 PM PST by DGHoodini (The Dems no longer have the humanity to grasp that there are things worth dying for.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
“He actually serves a valuable purpose, as long as you don’t have to listen to him or his audience.”

Yes, of course. I will take anyone that is on the Right to
counter the leftist LSM.
I do listen to Hannity via online from WABC, but given a choice I would take five days of Rush over one day of Sean.

92 posted on 11/12/2007 12:48:09 PM PST by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia. Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: Bruinator

That makes it sound like liberals are more open minded and tolerant but we know better...right.


93 posted on 11/12/2007 12:57:53 PM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
In many of the races, Zogby's margins were totally off (the Senate races in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Tennessee for example).

Races in which one candidate wins by a wide margin are often hard to predict, because turnout is less predictable and the number of undecideds is usually greater than normal.

94 posted on 11/12/2007 12:58:42 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: rface
While 22% of conservatives said they "never" enjoy entertainment that reflects values other than their own, just 7% of liberals felt the same way.

Ah yes, liberals love to listen to diverse opinions. That's why the MSM is usually at least 3 to 1 liberal, and they feel that is "balanced" while FOX has roughly equal numbers of liberals and conservatives and the liberal complain that FOX is biased.

A liberals idea of diverse opinions is" Shall we raise taxes $2.1 Trillion or only $2 Trillion, while cutting taxes isn't even a valid opinion to be considered.

95 posted on 11/12/2007 1:00:53 PM PST by RJL
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To: rface
People with a "red" entertainment preference think a lot of programming is in bad taste and doesn't reflect their values. They don't like a lot of things on TV, but their two favorite channels are Fox and Fox News.

I don't own a TV - 90% of the content is garbage, and the other 10% is stuff that the internet is better suited to disseminate (history, science, medical, politics). FOX news is slightly less left-wing than its competitors, but I would not call it conservative by any stretch, and am not endeared to it even remotely.

They like sports, especially football and auto racing, and they watch news and business programming.

Can't stand sports...unless you count women's beach volleyball and similar :-)

They don't like most contemporary music and they don't watch VH1 or MTV. They don't much like late-night TV.

Sorta - a smattering (~6/year?) of catchy songs notwithstanding. True. True.

They like to go to sporting events, and when they do go to the movies – which is rarely – they seek out action-adventure films.

Can't stand sports. Movies - yup, only action-adventure (300, Gladiator, Sin City, Casino Royale, etc).

They prefer non-fiction. When they read fiction, they often select mysteries and thrillers.

Spot on - aside from my wife's Clancy novels, only non-fiction graces my shelves. About 800 lbs of it.

They think that fictional TV shows and movies are politically biased, and they believe they can predict a person's politics if they know the person's entertainment preferences.

Duh. As for the second point, not always.

96 posted on 11/12/2007 1:06:20 PM PST by M203M4 (Rudy Giuliani 2008 - finally get all of the government you are paying for!)
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To: fish hawk

I read it as not more open minded but looking for the correct path.


97 posted on 11/12/2007 1:06:45 PM PST by Bruinator
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To: Vision

It’s continually amazing how many people , mostly lefties ,misinterpret the phrase “Talent on loan from God”—it’s the ultimate statement of humility—any talents any of us have are “on loan from God”


98 posted on 11/12/2007 1:12:40 PM PST by Carl LaFong (Building Code Under Fire)
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To: Thud

fyi


99 posted on 11/12/2007 1:18:25 PM PST by Dark Wing
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To: Jeff Chandler
A man is saturated with leftism from his first Sesame Street episode, through nearly all music, television and movies, throughout his entire education, everywhere he goes, everything he does, and he is supposed to be “closed minded” because he doesn’t actively seek out leftist propaganda?

Your post is right on the mark. The biggest forced indoctrination system is the Big Government Public Schools. Liberals are so used to the constant their concentrated leftist messages, they think Rush is an conservative extremist.

100 posted on 11/12/2007 1:18:48 PM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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