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Bunker Hillary: Clinton's strategy for crushing the media.(BDS Alert)
The New Republic ^ | November 12, 2007 | Michael Crowley

Posted on 11/12/2007 12:36:26 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

On June 1, The New York Times published a front-page article titled, ONE PLACE WHERE OBAMA GOES ELBOW TO ELBOW. The feature detailed Barack Obama's love for pickup basketball, his jersey-tugging style, even the time he hit a long game-winning shot after getting fouled.

The Obama camp clearly welcomed the humanizing glimpse at Obama's life; his rivals, probably not so much. In an ordinary campaign, that might have been it. But this is no ordinary campaign--not when Hillary Clinton is a candidate. And so, the Clinton team let Times reporter Patrick Healy, who covers the Hillary beat, know about their "annoyance" with the story, as Healy later put it.

If grumbling about a basketball story seems excessive, it's also typical of the Clinton media machine. Reporters who have covered the hyper-vigilant campaign say that no detail or editorial spin is too minor to draw a rebuke. Even seasoned political journalists describe reporting on Hillary as a torturous experience. Though few dare offer specifics for the record--"They're too smart," one furtively confides. "They'll figure out who I am"--privately, they recount excruciating battles to secure basic facts. Innocent queries are met with deep suspicion. Only surgically precise questioning yields relevant answers. Hillary's aides don't hesitate to use access as a blunt instrument, as when they killed off a negative GQ story on the campaign by threatening to stop cooperating with a separate Bill Clinton story the magazine had in the works. Reporters' jabs and errors are long remembered, and no hour is too odd for an angry phone call. Clinton aides are especially swift to bypass reporters and complain to top editors. "They're frightening!" says one reporter who has covered Clinton. "They don't see [reporting] as a healthy part of the process. They view this as a ruthless kill-or-be-killed game."

Despite all the grumbling, however, the press has showered Hillary with strikingly positive coverage. "It's one of the few times I've seen journalists respect someone for beating the hell out of them," says a veteran Democratic media operative. The media has paved a smooth road for signature campaign moments like Hillary's campaign launch and her health care plan rollout and has dutifully advanced campaign-promoted themes like Hillary's "experience" and expertise in military affairs. This is all the more striking in light of the press's past treatment of Clinton--particularly during her husband's White House years--including endless stories about her personal ethics, frostiness, and alleged Lady Macbeth persona.

It's enough to make you suspect that breeding fear and paranoia within the press corps is itself part of the Clinton campaign's strategy. And, if that sounds familiar, it may be because the Clinton machine, say reporters and pro-Hillary Democrats, is emulating nothing less than the model of the Bush White House, which has treated the press with thinly veiled contempt and minimal cooperation. "The Bush administration changed the rules," as one scribe puts it--and the Clintonites like the way they look. (To be sure, no one accuses the Clinton team of outright lying to the press, as the Bushies have done, or of crossing other ethical lines. And reporters say other press shops--notably those of Rudy Giuliani and John Edwards--are also highly combative.)

So far, the strategy has worked brilliantly. In the current climate, where the mainstream media is under attack from both conservatives and liberals, Clinton may have picked the right moment to get tough with the press. But, as the murmur of discontent among the fourth estate grows--and Hillary's coverage has taken a sharper tone since a widely panned debate performance late last month--even some Hillary supporters fear that the strategy may produce a dangerous backlash.

In January 1993, Hillary Clinton granted her first newspaper interview as First Lady. But, rather than agreeing to sit down with a national reporter to discuss issues of substance, Hillary would only meet with a food reporter from The New York Times--and then only to discuss her hostess duties. Later, other reporters who wanted to question her about policy were told to submit written questions. "Her ground-zero assumption is that [a reporter is] an asshole," a senior Hillary aide told her biographer, Carl Bernstein.

Clinton's wariness was forged by her husband's nightmarish experience on the 1992 campaign trail. Battered by stories about Bill's mistresses and financial dealings, Hillary seethed at the press and resolved to control their coverage. Bill disliked the press, too--but not with the loathing of his wife, who even tried to throw the press out of the White House itself. In January 1993, she and her friend Susan Thomases proposed to move the White House press room next door, to the sleepy Old Executive Office Building. When that scheme was deemed untenable, aides closed off a hallway connecting the press room to the West Wing. Outraged reporters pounced on press secretary George Stephanopoulos, who later recalled thinking, "I'm not your problem; Hillary is. ... [Bill] Clinton seems to be on my side. He asked me again this morning why we were closing the door. Um, have you talked to your wife about this, Mr. President?"

Hillary's first instinct was usually to stonewall the press. When New York Times reporter Jeff Gerth was first reporting on Whitewater in early 1992, rather than work with Gerth, Hillary insisted on giving him the figurative finger. Likewise, Hillary balked when The Washington Post asked to see private Whitewater documents in 1993. Bill Clinton favored compliance with the Post--but was overruled by Hillary, who implied she would rather "throw them all in the Potomac." Former Clinton White House adviser David Gergen has called the decision "the decisive turning point" that convinced Washington the Clintons had something to hide.

To be fair, when Hillary did engage the press, she often got burned. When she ruminated to the The New York Times Magazine's Michael Kelly about spirituality, he produced a mocking cover story titled "Saint Hillary." Hillary later wrote that she had been "raw with grief" over her dying father, implying that Kelly had exploited her emotional vulnerability. In 1994, with questions swirling about a big profit she turned selling cattle futures, she agreed to meet with a clamoring media. Donning a memorable pink suit, she endured an hour of harsh questioning. Afterward, according to Gerth and Don Van Natta's recent book Her Way, Hillary told her aides the exercise had been futile. "They're not going to let up. They're just going to keep coming at us, no matter what we do." The sordid Monica Lewinsky scandal only affirmed Hillary's firm belief that the "vast right-wing conspiracy" had immense power over mainstream media coverage.

When Hillary embarked on her 2000 run for Senate in New York, she brought her antipathy toward the press with her and set new standards for media control. After the campaign, AP reporter Beth Harpaz wrote a book about her experience in which she described feeling at various times "humiliated," "paranoid," and "so worn down and so exasperated by the lack of access and the lack of news in this campaign that I'd given up fighting." Once, when Hillary sent a candy basket to the press van, the downtrodden reporters were incredulous, Harpaz wrote: "[N]one of us could believe that Hillary was being so nice to us."

In July, Hillary's communications director, Howard Wolfson, appeared on MSNBC's "Hardball" with Barack Obama's chief strategist David Axelrod. Obama had said he would be willing to meet with Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Wolfson pointedly noted that this would place Obama in the company of a "Holocaust denier," which compelled a flummoxed Axelrod to clarify that Obama does not, in fact, condone Holocaust denial. The show's host, Chris Matthews, declared Wolfson's tactic "brilliant politics" before later rebranding it "dirtball."

Many political reporters feel similarly conflicted about Wolfson, the public face of Hillary's press operation. But everyone agrees he is a fearsome operator. As communications director for the 1998 Senate campaign of New York Democrat Charles Schumer, Wolfson would fire up his aides by riffing on a famous line from The Untouchables: "If he uses a fist, you use a bat. If he uses a knife, you use a gun." During Hillary's 2006 reelection campaign, he constantly taunted her GOP opponent, John Spencer, for once joking that he'd like to kill a federal judge and a governor with whom he'd feuded.

Those flashes of sadism don't reflect the unexpectedly likeable character within, however. "Wooffie," as Hillary has been known to call him, is colorfully eccentric--afraid of flying, highly allergic, prone to weird accidents, and a proud indie-rock connoisseur. And, unlike many hard-assed Republican operatives, Wolfson socializes with some top D.C. political reporters.

A former reporter himself, Wolfson may actually feel some kinship with the reporters he spins. Not so other senior members of Hillary's team, including her chief pollster and guru, Mark Penn, whose recent book Microtrends derides media "elites" as out of touch and superficial. (Penn even name-checks The New York Times's Mark Leibovich for "filling front pages with personal impressions about candidates' personalities.") Moreover, working under Wolfson is a press team drawn from the killing fields of New York political media, where relentless tabloids drive the news and slow reaction equals death. Ironically, their godfather is Schumer, one of the most press-hungry politicians in history. The Clinton campaign's pugnacious press secretary, Phil Singer, spent several years as Schumer's spokesman. Clinton press aides Jay Carson and Blake Zeff are also ex-Schumer hands.

The defining quality of that machine is, simply, impenetrability. Reporting any story the Clintonites haven't specifically encouraged can be like wading through mud. "Their rule is never to volunteer information--ever," says one reporter who has experienced this. (Process stories are particularly verboten.) Another is a willingness to offer access to Clinton only under strictly controlled circumstances--as when she agreed to appear on the major TV networks the day her candidacy launched on the condition that the interviews be short and unedited, allowing precious little time for unrelated queries. In a testament to the enormous power of Hillary's celebrity, her single greatest point of leverage with the media, no one refused.

The Clintonites are also defined by their obsessive determination never to be caught off-guard by bad news. Whenever possible, they seek to release it on their own terms. In May, the campaign spoiled the summer rollout of two Clinton biographies, Gerth and Van Natta's Her Way and Bernstein's A Woman In Charge, by obtaining advance copies and leaking them to The Washington Post on the Friday before Memorial Day weekend. Employing another signature technique--the dismissive put-down--Philippe Reines, Hillary's Senate spokesman, asked the Post, "Is it possible to be quoted yawning?" And long-time Clinton associate Taylor Branch, a key source for Her Way's newsiest anecdote--that the Clintons had a "20-year project" for Hillary to become president--came forward to deny the story. Scoring embargoed galleys is a Clinton specialty. Sally Bedell Smith, author of the recent Clinton biography For Love of Politics, says she was "thunderstruck" to learn from Clinton friend Terry McAuliffe, weeks before the book's release, that Bill Clinton had already read it. "It was unnerving that he could have gotten a copy at that stage," she says.

Adding to the Clinton camp's reputation for fearsome omnipotence is its treatment of media figures who cross them. Wolfson first refined this technique in response to Sheehy's dishy 1999 book, Hillary's Choice, when his intense counteroffensive--Wolfson trashed her factual errors and even showed up at Sheehy's book events to spin reporters--made the author, and not Hillary, the story. Bedell Smith adds that, during her research, one Clintonite told her that her book was causing ulcers "because I was someone with a solid reputation who would be difficult to attack."

Many reporters also suspect the Clinton camp of employing outside proxies to attack troublemakers in the media. After Hillary's shaky debate performance late last month, the Drudge Report--whose author, Matt Drudge, the campaign has assiduously courted--quickly featured an unusual blind quote on its homepage in which an unnamed "top Hillary advisor" said debate moderator Tim Russert "bordered on the unprofessional." Joining in the attack on Russert was Media Matters, the liberal press-watching website founded by former Clinton-hater turned Clinton ally David Brock. Many in Washington believe the campaign feeds material to Brock's site, as when Media Matters went after New York Times reporter Anne Kornblut last July after Kornblut misrendered a quote that led to an erroneous story claiming Hillary had criticized fellow Democrats. Not only did Clinton aides fume to the paper's editors, but Media Matters pummeled Kornblut and the Times for several days. (A count of Media Matters stories from October found 39 headlines defending Clinton, compared to 15 for Obama and just one for John Edwards. A Media Matters spokesman strongly denied favoritism.)

Sometimes, Hillary even gets in the act. According to Gerth and Van Natta, Kornblut was just back from a planned vacation she took after her story appeared when she ran into Hillary in a hotel. Referring to Kornblut's casual attire, Hillary cracked, "Anne, I thought you left Barbados"--revealing an ominous awareness of the reporter's movements. "That's their imprimatur," says the Democratic strategist with presidential experience. "When there's a story they don't like, they seize on it and turn it back on the reporter, and make it about the reporter." (As First Lady, Hillary called for a public "frontal assault" against The Washington Post's lead Whitewater reporter, Susan Schmidt, according to the Post's Howard Kurtz, though the plan was never enacted.)

Several sources report hearing that the Clinton campaign has bragged about forcing one reporter at a major news organization from the Hillary beat. The boast, which one source heard from a senior Hillary aide, is incorrect. But the claim has become a part of insider Washington lore. Like the tale of the killed GQ story, it has only enhanced the dark mythology of the Hillary machine--a mythology the Clintonites don't dispel. "They brag about scalps that they take, " says a Democratic operative who has heard such tales.

Most Democrats in Washington agree that, had John Kerry responded more effectively to conservative "Swift Boat" attacks about his war record in the summer of 2004, he would be president today. And, if the Clinton campaign is overzealous, some say, it's because they are determined to avoid the alternative. "There's a Swift Boat around every corner," says one Democratic operative close to the campaign. "We'll be damned if we're going to let that happen again." Almost as important--in the Democratic primaries, at least--it is determined to show that it won't let that happen again. "They've cultivated this attack-machine image because they think that Democrats want that," says one political reporter. "They're pandering to the bloggers." This approach isn't without risks, however. Some people say a central problem for Al Gore in 2000 was the way the reporters covering him resented the lack of access and information they were afforded and (allegedly) punished him with negative coverage. Among Hillary's supporters, there are already fears of a repeat. According to one person who was present, the subject arose in a recent conversation among a group of former Clinton hands and loyalists, who fretted that the campaign's short-term press management success isn't sustainable--that its brute propaganda mentality will eventually taint Hillary's coverage. Some Clinton supporters describe a gradually harder edge, as evidenced by her post- debate coverage. One veteran Democratic strategist agrees: "Don't you think they're on the brink [of a backlash]?"

Perhaps not. Unfortunately for the beleaguered hacks covering Hillary Clinton, she remains the most reliable means of boosting ratings and selling papers in U.S. politics. And many of the strategists and reporters with whom I spoke were resigned to the idea that, in modern politics and media, nice guys finish last. After complaining about the Clinton machine for a spell, one political reporter fondly described how much easier dealing with the Obama campaign had been: "The Obama press office is nothing like this. They've got a very open and friendly press office." There was a pause. "But, then, he's losing."


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Can you imagine what Hillary and her team will do when they control the executive branch of the federal government? FBI files will be the least of it.
1 posted on 11/12/2007 12:36:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My thoughts exactly. If she treats the media this way, how will she treat us, the ordinary citizen? it is scary indeed.


2 posted on 11/12/2007 12:43:22 PM PST by hoe_cake
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A bigger concern is who the Hildabeast will be able to track on the Web with the Patriot Act Power Tools... :o)


3 posted on 11/12/2007 12:44:52 PM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If she’s elected I’ll buy stocks of companies that make shredding machines.
4 posted on 11/12/2007 12:46:24 PM PST by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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To: what_not2007

If Hillery is elected she will find a way to get her own media.


5 posted on 11/12/2007 12:48:02 PM PST by oyez (Justa' another high minded lowlife.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think she’ll implode during the debates with a Republican candidate - although she’s probably got a plan for that. Her plan didn’t work so well the other night, though ....


6 posted on 11/12/2007 12:48:47 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (If MY people who are called by MY name -- the ball's in our court, folks.)
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To: what_not2007; xtinct
The only problem is, is that Rudy Giuliani is Hillary with trousers (sometimes) and would do exactly the same, with the added danger that he’s tougher and smarter than she is by a factor of 10. Hillary was never a U.S. Attorney, prosecutor or any of that. She got where she is today on Bill’s coattails. Otherwise, we wouldn’t even know who she was.
7 posted on 11/12/2007 12:48:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: oyez
“If Hillery is elected she will find a way to get her own media.”

She pretty much has...MSM is afraid to speak up against her publicly.

8 posted on 11/12/2007 12:50:38 PM PST by hoe_cake
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

I’ve always thought Hillary was capable of imploding. She doesn’t have her husband’s calm. She’s ill tempered.


9 posted on 11/12/2007 12:51:54 PM PST by hoe_cake
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A pretty wordy piece to flesh out the long standing obvious.

This is news?

10 posted on 11/12/2007 12:53:09 PM PST by blackdog
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To: what_not2007

And these are the people who had the temerity to call Bush a nazi?


11 posted on 11/12/2007 12:53:56 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“And, if that sounds familiar, it may be because the Clinton machine, say reporters and pro-Hillary Democrats, is emulating nothing less than the model of the Bush White House, which has treated the press with thinly veiled contempt and minimal cooperation. “The Bush administration changed the rules,” as one scribe puts it—and the Clintonites like the way they look. (To be sure, no one accuses the Clinton team of outright lying to the press, as the Bushies have done,. . .”

It’s all Bush’s fault /sarc


12 posted on 11/12/2007 12:54:19 PM PST by rwa265
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

State controlled media, think “1984”. All that will exist is what Shrillary wants us to know exists.


13 posted on 11/12/2007 12:54:26 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The press has only itself to blame if their credibility which it is tainted.


14 posted on 11/12/2007 12:55:19 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's enough to make you suspect that breeding fear and paranoia within the press corps is itself part of the Clinton campaign's strategy. And, if that sounds familiar, it may be because the Clinton machine, say reporters and pro-Hillary Democrats, is emulating nothing less than the model of the Bush White House, which has treated the press with thinly veiled contempt and minimal cooperation. "The Bush administration changed the rules," as one scribe puts it--and the Clintonites like the way they look.

LOL. How blatant!!! I had to check and see whether Scott Beauchamp wrote this.

15 posted on 11/12/2007 12:55:29 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: Right Cal Gal

“And these are the people who had the temerity to call Bush a nazi?”

Yes, it’s her strategy to accuse her opponents of the very things she’s guilty of.


16 posted on 11/12/2007 12:55:57 PM PST by hoe_cake
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And, then there’s the added bonus regarding Rudy that was posted earlier today —> suspected mafia ties


17 posted on 11/12/2007 12:56:24 PM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And, if that sounds familiar, it may be because the Clinton machine, say reporters and pro-Hillary Democrats, is emulating nothing less than the model of the Bush White House, which has treated the press with thinly veiled contempt and minimal cooperation. "The Bush administration changed the rules," as one scribe puts it--and the Clintonites like the way they look. (To be sure, no one accuses the Clinton team of outright lying to the press, as the Bushies have done, or of crossing other ethical lines. And reporters say other press shops--notably those of Rudy Giuliani and John Edwards--are also highly combative.)

I am supposed to take this article seriously when it is from the publication that enabled a liar (Scott Beauchencamp) and when it fell apart lied themselves. Please!

18 posted on 11/12/2007 12:57:47 PM PST by torchthemummy ("A Tagline Presidential Endorsement Forfeits A Presumption Of Objectivity")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Control - control - control. Kill or be killed. It’s a nasty business brought to the table by Hillary and her ilk.


19 posted on 11/12/2007 12:58:05 PM PST by Frwy (Politician is the only four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: rwa265

I stopped there too.


20 posted on 11/12/2007 1:01:29 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: what_not2007
She’s ill tempered.

Absolutely - and she doesn't like to be confronted about ANYTHING.

"Hillary - do you think ALL of those women were lying about your husband????"

I'd love to see someone ask THAT question!

21 posted on 11/12/2007 1:04:29 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (If MY people who are called by MY name -- the ball's in our court, folks.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I find it interesting that she treats the msm presstitutes like they are her b!tches.

And in the meantime the new media is ripping her to shreds.

22 posted on 11/12/2007 1:05:47 PM PST by Pietro
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"They're frightening!" says one reporter who has covered Clinton. "They don't see [reporting] as a healthy part of the process. They view this as a ruthless kill-or-be-killed game."

If they're this way with the media, it doesn't take much imagination to believe they are capable of worse actions to get rid of pesky troublemakers.

23 posted on 11/12/2007 1:06:19 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: blackdog
Well, it did give them the chance to throw allegations at the Bush administration. Their definition of "lying" is when the Bush administration had a different view of the facts than theirs.

The whole Lewinsky scandal would never have become public if Hillary hadn't demanded a no-compromise approach to the Paula Jones case to begin with.

All Kerry needed to do, if he wanted to disprove the Swift boat vets, was to release his 180. Why didn't that ever occur to him?

24 posted on 11/12/2007 1:06:31 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This looks like a reasonably straight story until you get to this:

"The Bush administration changed the rules," as one scribe puts it--and the Clintonites like the way they look. (To be sure, no one accuses the Clinton team of outright lying to the press, as the Bushies have done, or of crossing other ethical lines. And reporters say other press shops--notably those of Rudy Giuliani and John Edwards--are also highly combative.)

Horse pucky. Bill clinton changed the rules, when he went over reporters' heads to their bosses, as this article earlier says hillary does, and got them fired. He got at least 5 or 6 reporters fired, by threatening to sic the IRS and the SEC on their bosses.

Nobody fears Bush. You can say whatever you like about him, and you'll be back in the front row of the press briefing room the next day. But they fear hillary, and rightly so, because she will kill anyone who crosses her, figuratively and sometimes literally.

25 posted on 11/12/2007 1:06:57 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch; doug from upland

I believe it’s highly possible to aggrevate her to the point of implosion. I’ve always thought so. And it is my hopeful opinion that “crusaders” like Doug from Upland, Rush Limbaugh, etc. can keep the heat on her until she loses her cool.

I am hopeful.


26 posted on 11/12/2007 1:07:55 PM PST by hoe_cake
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To: what_not2007
Fatally flawed she is.

Speaking of, what's Rove up to these days? I can feel his hand on our side but haven't heard a peep from him.

27 posted on 11/12/2007 1:10:04 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: All; 2ndDivisionVet

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NEVER FORGET

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HILLARY RODHAM and BILL CLINTON’s mutual support for Communist North Vietnam’s terrorist takeover of a then Free South Vietnam during the Vietnam War...

...horridly brought down upon a once Free South Vietnamese people:

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..”JOURNEY from the FALL”.. MoviePremieres = Fall of Saigon CLARITY..

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806248/posts

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What about our own Freedom now..?

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Signed:..”ALOHA RONNIE” Guyer
Veteran-1st major battles for Freedom of the Vietnam War 1965-66

(Photos)
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm

http://www.RickRescorla.com/The%20Statue.htm

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NEVER FORGET

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28 posted on 11/12/2007 1:11:31 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: what_not2007
"She doesn’t have her husband’s calm. She’s ill tempered."

It's not that Bubba's calm, he's castrated.

29 posted on 11/12/2007 1:14:01 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: txflake

Fatally flawed?

I like your description indeed. Very optimistic.


30 posted on 11/12/2007 1:15:58 PM PST by hoe_cake
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To: what_not2007
Ya know, Hillary on a combination of prozac, valium, and weed just might get her elected when you think about it. As she stands now, she's like an overinflated balloon and those outside her own sphere of influence are sharp objects.

The woman has never had a moment of joy in her life. Bitterness is her fuel. Who the heck would want to work for or deal with her? She goes a long way in explaining Bill's recklessness.

31 posted on 11/12/2007 1:17:28 PM PST by blackdog
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To: what_not2007

That’s Rove’s, the day he left the WH.


32 posted on 11/12/2007 1:17:45 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: oyez
"Clinton's wariness was forged by her husband's nightmarish experience on the 1992 campaign trail. Battered by stories about Bill's mistresses and financial dealings, Hillary seethed at the press and resolved to control their coverage."

If Hillary has controlled their press coverage since '92, I wonder where this writer gets the idea her campaign is following the behavior of the Bush White House. He's totally contradicted himself within two short paragraphs.

33 posted on 11/12/2007 1:18:20 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: blackdog

“Ya know, Hillary on a combination of prozac, valium... .”

SSHHHHH! Don’t give her camp any ideas. :`)


34 posted on 11/12/2007 1:20:33 PM PST by hoe_cake
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To: Pietro

Has anyone figgered out where she’s deported her two goofball opportunistic leech brothers Tony and what’s his name to? Funny I have not heard one mention of them in four years. I’m sure they are being “managed” by someone.


35 posted on 11/12/2007 1:21:14 PM PST by blackdog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The article says the Clintons have been like this since 1992-1993, yet, it tries to put the blame on W Bush White House.


36 posted on 11/12/2007 1:21:38 PM PST by paudio
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To: vpintheak
George Orwell coined the term doublethink in his classic novel 1984. Doublethink is the power to hold two completely contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accept both of them.

To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself.

37 posted on 11/12/2007 1:22:59 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The news media will turn against Hillary as soon as they think that a “better” Democrat will win the ‘08 nomination (e.g. Gore, Lieberman, Kerry).

Otherwise, they will be on their kneepads bowing to her.


38 posted on 11/12/2007 1:23:09 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If I was producing a debate I’d make sure Hillary had easy access to some ash trays.


39 posted on 11/12/2007 1:24:05 PM PST by AU72
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can you imagine what Hillary and her team will do when they control the executive branch of the federal government?
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That question ALONE should be enough to scare every American citizen who cares about their freedoms, America, its Constitution, and the quality of life in America. The thought of that Marxist witch in the White House is my worst nightmare.


40 posted on 11/12/2007 1:25:14 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: what_not2007

I wonder if Chris Matthews has had an ‘visits’ from her camp.


41 posted on 11/12/2007 1:27:53 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (If MY people who are called by MY name -- the ball's in our court, folks.)
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To: EagleUSA

Some here think I’m kidding, but I’m moving overseas if she wins: http://www.livinginthephilippines.com

I will not live in a communist dictatorship.


42 posted on 11/12/2007 1:28:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: AU72

And wouldn’t it be a riot for the debate stage to be filled with ash trays and have her debate partners wearing protective headgear? You know....prepared for her.


43 posted on 11/12/2007 1:31:31 PM PST by blackdog
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

Tim Russett, too. I was amazed at Russett’s brazen questions pinpointing Hillary at the debate last week.


44 posted on 11/12/2007 1:32:34 PM PST by hoe_cake
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To: EagleUSA

Here we have descriptions of how reporters, many of them Liberals, hate to cover the Hillery campaign. Remember how these same Liberal reporters covered Bush in the 2000 Campaign? In spite of hating his politics, they couldn’t help but like him as a person.


45 posted on 11/12/2007 1:32:45 PM PST by DJtex
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To: what_not2007
I was amazed at Russett’s brazen questions pinpointing Hillary at the debate last week.

I smell algore nearby.

46 posted on 11/12/2007 1:34:28 PM PST by AU72
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I hate the press too. So I guess I know why she is so beastly to them. I would be too.

That said, I hope they dog her to the ends of the earth but somehow, I don’t think they will.


47 posted on 11/12/2007 1:35:10 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
is emulating nothing less than the model of the Bush White House, which has treated the press with thinly veiled contempt and minimal cooperation.

I am no Hillary supporter, but the media brought this on themselves with their vain and shabby behavior. If they were serious reporters asking tough but fair questions, that would be one thing. But when you have a prick like David Gregory making himself the news, then attention journalist assholes, you reap what you sow.
48 posted on 11/12/2007 1:36:36 PM PST by steel_resolve (Liberals, Dems, anarchists and traitors - get used to Americans getting in your face from hereon out)
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To: All; oyez

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NEVER FORGET

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HILLARY’s own Media =

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All during the Vietnam War Communist North Vietnam’s propoganda arm Radio Hanoi kept telling the world that there wasn’t a single one of its Army soldiers fighting inside a then Free South Vietnam.

See 5 photo down, taken 8 miles inside a then Free South Vietnam in November 1965, of 2 Communist North Vietnamese Army soldiers we captured at the 1st major battle of the Vietnam War.

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set3.htm

A battle accurately depicted in RANDALL WALLACE’s sterling “WE WERE SOLDIERS” Motion Picture ..starring MEL GIBSON as my Commanding Officer Lt. Col. HAL G. MOORE:

.

Therefore:

HILLARY’s own Media =

‘BLACK is WHITE, WHITE is BLACK”

Just like:

‘BLACK is WHITE, WHITE is BLACK’ =

The Communist Dialectic

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For the Enemy is now within,
...and always has been.

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NEVER FORGET

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49 posted on 11/12/2007 1:36:38 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I will not live in a communist dictatorship.
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Well, when you combine her rabid lust for Marxist power, combined and supported by an anti-American socialist Congress, what do you have??? A dictatorship, that will host the first ‘burning’ of the U.S. Constitution. They are crazy, have zero regard or interest in America, and lust only for personal empowerment and the total expense of every American citizen. Right out of the Communist Manifesto, actually. And they, and their lap dogs of the MSM, make no bones about it.


50 posted on 11/12/2007 1:38:32 PM PST by EagleUSA
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