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Huckabee's Flip Flop on Smoking Ban
Free Republic | November 12, 2007 | Eric Blair

Posted on 11/12/2007 7:05:46 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084

When it comes to describing former Arkansas Governor turned Presidential candidate there is no shortage of labels. Nanny stater, global warming alarmist, pro-life Democrat, religious leftist, open border illegal alien apologist and fiscal liberal. We can now add another description. Flip flopper.

Before pushing and ultimately signing a statewide smoker ban in Arkansas private restaurants in April of 2006, Huckabee was vehemently opposed to smoker bans.

In October of 2001, less than 2 months after the attacks of 9/11, the "public health" and sheeple/tobacco control movement responded to the call and came to the aid of their fellow Americans. Mourning the over 3,000 dead citizens, fearing an imminent repeat attack and worried over the dozens of anthrax letters being sent around the country, the "public health" community analyzed the situation and decided on a swift and forceful action plan to remedy the problem...they would ban smoking in Arkansas restaurants. That would solve everything.

There was only one thing standing in their way. A very large obstacle at the time, in the form of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee who stymied the smoke nazis with common sense that is typically heard from conservatives and libertarians.

Responding to the anti-tobacco crusader's claims that smoking in restaurants was a public health concern in the same vain as health code violations in the kitchen, Huckabee forcefully responded.

"You can't look at a plate and tell if it's got E.coli or salmonella," Huckabee said, mentioning two common causes of food-borne illness. "You can't look at the plate and know how it was washed and under what temperature the water was heated.

"But you can walk in and say, 'Do you have a nonsmoking section?'

"If they say, 'No,' then you say, 'Thank you very much, but I'll be taking my business elsewhere.'"

Anti-tobacco was livid.

On October 26, 2001 Huckabee decided not to approve a state Board of Health proposed regulation that would have banned smoking in restaurants.

The well funded anti-smoking cartel was not pleased that the Governor didn't buy their public health nonsense.

"That's a real simple issue," Huckabee said. "One relates to the unseen issues of food preparation, where the public has no ability to ascertain cleanliness. The public is not allowed to go into the kitchen and make an inspection, so the Health Department does that on their behalf.

"The smoking issue is one in which it's part of the atmosphere of the customer, not the atmosphere of the kitchen. It's a very clear distinction to me. That's a ridiculous kind of association some have tried to make."

Of course, this was all before Huckabee survived his near death experience at the hands of that global health menace...Kentucky Fried Chicken Original Recipe.

After being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, Huckabee lost 110 pounds and became a health activist, penning a motivational book "Quit Digging Your Grave With a Knife and Fork".

Good for him. Nothing wrong with getting healthy and than encouraging others to do the same. Richard Simmons made a living doing it.

The only difference is that Simmons didn't have the power of the State behind him. Politicians who use the bully pulpit to legislate and coerce their citizens into better health for the sake of saving taxpayer money on medical entitlement programs like Medicare, Medicaid and SCHIP are a dangerous breed.

Mike Huckabee used to get it. He was for it, before he was against it. Letting his personal trauma and experience impact his ability to make rational judgements makes him unfit for higher office.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: charlatan; fraud; huckabee; huckster; liar; nannystate
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1 posted on 11/12/2007 7:05:48 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Mike Huckabee. The Socialist From Arkansas. http://www.cofcc.org/?p=811

Mike Huckabee disses Americans, Mexicans, promotes illegal immigration
http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/005609.html

Christians Need To Beware Of Mike Huckabee
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20071102.html

While Gov. of Arkansas, Huckabee was AGAINST proving citizenship in order to register to vote. He called those who were in favor of this “racists”...
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050218/news_lz1e18perkins.html

Huckabee fought hard to kill an Arkansas bill which would have cut off social services for illegal aliens. Huckabee called the bill, “anti-Christian” and “un-American”...
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/01/28/News/316347.html

Huckabee supported in-state tuition for illegal aliens...
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2005/03/11/News/318458.html

Huck’s opposition to the illegal aliens bill:

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000718.html


2 posted on 11/12/2007 7:07:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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We the People Sheeple of the United States Nanny State, in Order to form a more perfect Union Socialist Utopia, establish Justice Socially engineer a country of non smoking, physically fit, tea totallers, insure domestic Tranquility Smoking bans in bars, limits on unhealthy food and social drinking, provide for the common defense Universal Healthcare, promote the general Welfare health of the population whether they like it or not, in order to save above mentioned Universal Healthcare entitlement program from bankruptcy, and secure the Blessings of Liberty Dependency to ourselves progressive liberals and our Posterity Hitler Youth who we brainwash through public school education, do ordain decree and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Nanny State of Liberals.

3 posted on 11/12/2007 7:08:18 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Good catch, thank you.


4 posted on 11/12/2007 7:08:53 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

‘I was for it, until I was against it.’


5 posted on 11/12/2007 7:11:18 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I was in Texas for the Cowboy-Viking game a few weeks ago. I love that State.


6 posted on 11/12/2007 7:15:25 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
I like your style..Eric. Nice job.

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7 posted on 11/12/2007 7:15:59 PM PST by spectre (spectre's wife (It's Illegal immigration, Stupid)
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To: spectre

Thanks, and this really has nothing to do with people who are understandably annoyed by smoke in a restaurant ruining their dinner.

Look what’s happening with trans fat bans and foie gras bans today.

People who like their freedom can either band together and resist as one or we can all go down together arguing that my vice is better than your vice.


8 posted on 11/12/2007 7:21:22 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: AuntB; pissant; OB1kNOb; Politicalmom; SoConPubbie; Esther Ruth; pandoraou812; gidget7; 383rr; ...

Retire the liberal tax raising, open border, algore loving, nanny state Huckster

The liberal MSM must really think Social Conservatives are stupid. They keep pitching and pimping the Huckster hoping somebody will buy.

To be added please FReepmail me or OB1KNOB.

9 posted on 11/12/2007 7:22:29 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Sorry, he’s a liar, liar pants on fire.


10 posted on 11/12/2007 7:24:04 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Going after cigarettes and twinkies. Now that’s what a governor should be doing. /s


11 posted on 11/12/2007 7:24:25 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: dano1; BillyBoy; grandpa jones

Courtesy ping in the interest of equal time.

(I don’t support the Fairness Doctrine unless Rush Limbaugh is allowed to host the network evening news and Anne Coulter gets to write half the NY Times editorials)

This is just common courtesy without Gubmint legislation.


12 posted on 11/12/2007 7:24:57 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: pissant

But what about the chilruns?


13 posted on 11/12/2007 7:25:43 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Specially the illegal ones...


14 posted on 11/12/2007 7:26:23 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Would that mean “ME” or be a form of INCONSISTENCY?


15 posted on 11/12/2007 7:31:13 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Eric Blair 2084; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; ..

Nanny State Ping!

There are numerous reasons why I will not support Huckabee and actually his total embracement of the nanny-state is not my number 1 reason for my decision, it just solidified my attitude.


16 posted on 11/12/2007 7:32:29 PM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
People who like their freedom can either band together and resist as one or we can all go down together arguing that my vice is better than your vice.

Needs repeating!!!!!!!!

17 posted on 11/12/2007 7:33:58 PM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Gabz

Indeed. You know, a lot of us here at FR had very high hopes and were very proud when he was elected Governor. But, alas, change happens.


18 posted on 11/12/2007 7:34:57 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: pissant
Going after cigarettes and twinkies. Now that’s what a governor should be doing. /s

A governor should go after them if the holder of the twinkies and cigarettes is an illegal alien who wears a burka and a belt made with C4.

19 posted on 11/12/2007 7:35:15 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Gabz

It’s not a coincedence that the same politicians who support smoker bans and tobacco tax increases for the greater good are always ideological leftists.

Where there is smoke there is fire (pun intended). These same public serpents will always be tax raisers, new Gubmint agency creators and expanders, global warming junk science suckers and have sympathy for illegal alien lawbreakers.

You can count on it.


20 posted on 11/12/2007 7:36:39 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

You’re preaching to the choir, my friend, preaching to the choir.

Right now it is far easier for me to eliminate those I will not support..........of course that has always been my way of doing things.


21 posted on 11/12/2007 7:47:10 PM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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22 posted on 11/12/2007 7:48:43 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Huckabee is a dangerous man. Good thing he has no chance to be POTUS. I sure as heck don’t want him as a
(VICE) President either.


23 posted on 11/12/2007 7:49:27 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Values Voters luv The Huckster, a real bastion of American Conservatism.
24 posted on 11/12/2007 7:50:14 PM PST by angkor ("There! half man, half bear, and half pig! Do you see it?!." Al Gore, South Park 11.12)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

In many ways there is no single better litmus test for “Do you get America?” than to find out one’s views on smoking bans. Private property, free enterprise, limited government, individual responsibility — all are completely pissed on by the smoking nazi’s among us.

I don’t care what you have to say about anything else, if you tell me you think smoking bans in private businesses are a good thing, then I think less of you as a person and, all emotion and opinion aside, I can objectively discern that you hate America.

To that end, I actually welcome discussion around me about the bans. Any other policy topics, esoteric or practical, are no longer needed. When you want to see if some one loves or hates America, just ask them how they feel about smoking bans.


25 posted on 11/12/2007 7:51:10 PM PST by FreeRadical (Pray. Make Babies. Teach. Repeat.)
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To: EGPWS
A governor should go after them if the holder of the twinkies and cigarettes is an illegal alien who wears a burka and a belt made with C4.

The only "going after" people of that description is to shake their hand warmly and welcome them to the welfare program.

26 posted on 11/12/2007 7:53:06 PM PST by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

VP Huck = President in charge of Vice.


27 posted on 11/12/2007 7:53:54 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“It’s not a coincedence that the same politicians who support smoker bans and tobacco tax increases for the greater good are always ideological leftists.”

Never fails.


28 posted on 11/12/2007 7:55:57 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: angkor

I was hoping that this day would never come and Huck would just retire and go away. He seems like a nice guy and he means well. He thinks it’s the Gubmints job to take care of people (IOW he’s a liberal). The MSM has done a bang up job of pimping him to socons at the expense of Fred, Duncan Hunter. Real conservatives who threaten the Hildabeast. That is what the 3 Huckabee supporters on FR don’t understand.

MEMO

TO: Traditionalist rural Christian voters in Iowa
FROM: LA Times, NY Times, Washington Post, Salon
RE: Mike Huckabee
DATE: November 11, 2007

Dear Bible Thumping toothless rednecks,

Please remember to vote for the tax raising, environmentalist wacko, nanny state sheeple controlling, smoker banning, open border third world American killing candidate we tell you to vote for in the primary....Mike Huckabee. He is pro life and he talks about Jesus. That should be good enough for you.

Thank you,

The Elitist left wing media


29 posted on 11/12/2007 8:00:39 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084; pandoraou812
He flopped in the wrong direction. I will stand firm on my lack of support for him.

He makes the third Pubbie candidate I wouldn't vote for in any circumstance.

Rudy Toot, Traitor McCain and the Hucksterberry.

30 posted on 11/12/2007 8:01:55 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm voting for Duncan Hunter. Nominee or not.)
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To: FreeRadical

Very well said. Global warming and smoker bans are litmus test issues.

If a candidate buys into it there can only be two reasons:

A. He/she is too stupid to recognize bogus studies and junk science when they see it(which makes him too dumb to have power) or
B. They know that it is BS but they go along anyway for the greater good, which makes them more dangerous than A.


31 posted on 11/12/2007 8:03:49 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: pissant; pandoraou812

He’s not the first governor to go after twinkies. Just ask pandy. She’s from NJ. lol


32 posted on 11/12/2007 8:04:50 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm voting for Duncan Hunter. Nominee or not.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“VP Huck = President in charge of Vice.”

Kentucky Fried Chicken can KILL!!

I find Huckabee to be truly annoying :-)


33 posted on 11/12/2007 8:06:03 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: FreeRadical

PS: Huckabee is clearly a B.

He may be a lot of things but he is certainly not stupid.

He got religion on health and bought into the idea that tobacco/sheeple control with smoker bans and high cig taxes will coerce the sheeple to quit for their own good.


34 posted on 11/12/2007 8:06:32 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

35 posted on 11/12/2007 8:08:43 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: TigersEye; pandoraou812; Calpernia

I’m from the DPRNJ also.

The twinkie banners Karcher and Panter were voted out.


36 posted on 11/12/2007 8:11:01 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
That's not the kind of twinkie chaser I was thinking of.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. /s
37 posted on 11/12/2007 8:13:40 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm voting for Duncan Hunter. Nominee or not.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“Very well said. Global warming and smoker bans are litmus test issues.

If a candidate buys into it there can only be two reasons:

A. He/she is too stupid to recognize bogus studies and junk science when they see it(which makes him too dumb to have power) or
B. They know that it is BS but they go along anyway for the greater good, which makes them more dangerous than A.”

They are what I use as well. A & B are perfect. LOL!


38 posted on 11/12/2007 8:14:02 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Gabz
I live too close to Arkansas to not know what the Huckster is all about.

I fought the smoking ban when he was against it and fought it again when he was for it.

Too bad he pulled a "Kerry".

39 posted on 11/12/2007 8:15:03 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: TigersEye

They were the smoker banning, foie gras banning, trans fat banning assemblymen/women public serpents who “represent” me by throwing me out of bars.

Now they have been thrown out of office. I thought seriously about running against them myself.

Then I figured correctly that my donations and wiseass activism would be a better tool for change. These things have a funny way of working themselves out. Call it Karma.

But 3 of the NJ public serpents who voted for the smoker ban here have already been indicted.


40 posted on 11/12/2007 8:20:10 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Good one!


41 posted on 11/12/2007 8:22:18 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: FreeRadical
I don’t care what you have to say about anything else, if you tell me you think smoking bans in private businesses are a good thing, then I think less of you as a person and, all emotion and opinion aside, I can objectively discern that you hate America.

That's a bit harsh, don't you think? I think the majority of people who support smoking bans do so out of ignorance or mistaken reasoning, not out of a disregard for the fundamental principles of our country.

The state of political education in this country is so bad, and the influence of collectivist propaganda is so strong, that most people can't process the issue properly. I know it sounds incredible, but I honestly believe most people don't immediately comprehend the conflict between smoking bans and private property rights. For the typical smoking ban voter, it's not a matter of consciously deciding to subordinate the business owner's liberty for their own convenience. They don't even realize that someone else's liberty is at stake.

Many people who think they support a smoking ban will change their mind, once they are challenged to think through the implications of what a smoking ban means. No need to condemn them as America haters on the basis of their often-curable misconceptions.

Now, when we are talking about the dedicated, well-informed anti-smoking zealots...that's a different matter.

42 posted on 11/12/2007 8:22:46 PM PST by timm22 (Think critically)
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To: timm22
The state of political education in this country is so bad, and the influence of collectivist propaganda is so strong, that most people can't process the issue properly.

And with your writing skills, I know that is what you try to do. :-)

43 posted on 11/12/2007 8:26:19 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Eric Blair 2084; TigersEye

“But 3 of the NJ public serpents who voted for the smoker ban here have already been indicted.”

Justice is served.


44 posted on 11/12/2007 8:26:39 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: timm22
Many people who think they support a smoking ban will change their mind, once they are challenged to think through the implications of what a smoking ban means. No need to condemn them as America haters on the basis of their often-curable misconceptions.

That's a good point. Most citizens and even part time state legislators/realtors/dry cleaners have no idea what is really going on.

Not because they are stupid but because in the former's case, they are too busy trying to make ends meet and drive their kids to soccer practice to care. All they know is that smoke annoys them.

In the latter, they are woefully uninformed because there is no alternative view given to them because the impotent big tobacco companies sold their soul as part of the MSA and restaurant associations have no money. Plus they have 534 other bills to vote on.

You can reason with them and explain things. Calling them 3rd grade names like assface or buttmunch won't accomplish anything.

45 posted on 11/12/2007 8:31:18 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

BTTT


46 posted on 11/12/2007 8:33:03 PM PST by Neu Pragmatist (Unite against Rudy ! - Vote Thompson ! - It's the only way to beat Hillary !)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
That is karma. Let there be no doubt! ; )

FWIW I was making a joke in my previous posts about your former Governor the rest stop prowler. I can't remember his name.

47 posted on 11/12/2007 8:34:46 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm voting for Duncan Hunter. Nominee or not.)
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To: TigersEye

Jim McGreevey. That is why when I see polls saying that Rudy is leading in NJ by 45 points, I fell off the “maybe Rudy isn’t so bad” bandwagon.

I don’t want a President that the idiot voters in this state would support by such a wide margin.


48 posted on 11/12/2007 8:39:20 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

Yeah, Huckabee has got to go.


49 posted on 11/12/2007 8:39:52 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Are you saying the feather boa may reach across the Hudson? lol


50 posted on 11/12/2007 8:42:39 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm voting for Duncan Hunter. Nominee or not.)
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