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It Takes an Agenda - Conservatives cannot live by Hillary-hate alone
The American Conservative ^ | November 13, 2007 | David Weigel

Posted on 11/13/2007 12:11:28 AM PST by HAL9000

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“There’s a big difference between 2000 and 2007,” says John LeBoutillier, a former Republican congressman from New York and the head of Stop Hillary PAC. “In 2000, everyone on the Right hated Clinton and Gore, and we rallied to the guy we didn’t know: Bush. It’s different now. We hate Bush, and we hate the Bushes. We hate watching the Clintons palling around with the Bushes on goodwill tours and the like.”

There is another reason conservatives can’t count on Hillary: she offends and irritates them so deeply that they have trouble actually strategizing against her. They launch attacks, but compared to the carefully plotted Swift Boat strike on John Kerry or the years-long effort to spotlight Al Gore’s strange bragging and fibbing, the anti-Hillary attacks are erratic, grabbing early media attention and then fading out of the picture. Conservatives fixate on long-dormant scandals, like Bill Clinton’s treatment of Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick, without appreciating that reporters no longer want to chase those stories and that their very mention stokes sympathy for Clinton’s wife.

But it’s all some anti-Hillary agitators know how to do. In July, Sean Hannity told professional Hillary slayer Dick Morris the question he wanted some intrepid hack to ask the candidate: “Do you believe the women that claim that your husband serially abused them? Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones. Is that a legitimate and fair question?” Morris repeatedly shook his head and tried to explain where Hannity was going wrong: “Whenever anybody hits Hillary on her personal life, her marriage, or whether she is a lesbian or not, it plays into her hands.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: clintonlegacy; clintonscandals; hillary; hillaryclinton
It would be better for the GOP candidate if Hillary lost in the primaries. But if she wins the nomination, I think the "long-dormant scandals" will re-emerge as a legitimate issue next year.
1 posted on 11/13/2007 12:11:30 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

I think Hillary’s outa here. If not because of her gaffes, because Bill has got to be realizing his “legacy” goes right down the tubes if he becomes the first male “First Lady.”

His ego simply couldn’t handle that.


2 posted on 11/13/2007 12:17:55 AM PST by JennysCool (Don't taze me, Bro!)
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To: HAL9000

Thats right, the Republicans can’t run on an anti-Hillary agenda alone.

Bush and other top Senate Republicans ran on a pro-immigration agenda, anti-American free-trade agenda. Among many other agendas, such as McCain’s pointless campaign finance agenda. Trade and ginormous immigration have been entirely rejected by a supermajority of Republicans. Continuing along this same formula will split the Republican vote.

(The absence of immigration enforcment is defacto Amnesty)


3 posted on 11/13/2007 12:19:17 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: HAL9000
I think the "long-dormant scandals" will re-emerge as a legitimate issue next year.

And the most important and devastating Hillary and Bill Clinton scandal was their Chinagate Treason!

Hillary needs to be asked why she had so many discussions and dealings with Charlie Trie, John Huang, Johnny Chung, and James and Mochtar Raidy.

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=2258&name=James-Riady

***

Senator James Inhofe/ June 23, 1999

At that time, I spoke of six proven incontrovertible facts...and let me repeat them now:

1. President Clinton hosted over 100 campaign fundraisers in the White House, many with Chinese connections.

2. President Clinton used John Huang, Charlie Trie, Johnny Chung, James Riady, and others with strong Chinese ties to raise campaign money.

3. President Clinton signed waivers to allow his top campaign fundraiser's aerospace company to transfer U.S. missile guidance technology to China.

4. President Clinton covered up the theft of our most valuable nuclear weapons technology.

5. President Clinton lied to the American people over 130 times about our nation's security while he knew Chinese missiles were aimed at American children.

google: Clinton National Security Scandal and Coverup

4 posted on 11/13/2007 12:36:33 AM PST by Mr Apple ( "VIDEO CHINAGATE" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2970981220206109356)
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To: Hunterite

It does appear true that the liberal syncophants do not
care for anything but a full belly filled with empty platitiudes and symbolism.

Democrats would still vote the party
line no matter if they’re in a soup line wearing a sickle
and hammer.

Republicans must offer an energetic, conservative platform
to win elections. Values and integrity play for
Republicans but seem flipant for the democrats.

I believe Rush has said this many times in different ways.


5 posted on 11/13/2007 12:37:37 AM PST by ChiMark
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To: ALOHA RONNIE; Travis McGee; Calpernia; Sun; Republic; All

bttt


6 posted on 11/13/2007 12:39:31 AM PST by Mr Apple ( "VIDEO CHINAGATE" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2970981220206109356)
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To: Hunterite

Agree 100%.

As much as I despise HRC and BC (more than just about anyone besides osama and his buddies) we cannot beat them with hate any more than the Libs could beat Bush with hate in 2004.

You need to have an agenda, a platform, a reason to vote for you. Even more so in 2008 mired in a war and a huge spending spree. So far I haven’t seen any candidates with much of a positive message except Romney and Thompson. And both are pretty vague. Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo have some good ideas that need to be incorporated in the platform.

Just being pro-life and anti-illegal and anti-Hillary isn’t gong to cut it.


7 posted on 11/13/2007 12:50:46 AM PST by KingofZion
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To: HAL9000

If we want real change; we are going to have to elect real change. Big Business and Big Government are throwing everything at us but the kitchen sink to control us. You wouldn’t be see these outrageous things happening like Amnesty that keeps on coming; people’s land being taken away only because they can do it.

We need to vote in real change and not what the powers that be want us to do. Not be cause people can win; not because they have money; etc. We need to vote in real people and in every race. Find those people and put them in because it doesn’t matter what race you are; it will be lost if you don’t.

And if anyone thinks we are going to have a civil war; they are wrong. We won’t because big business and big government are taking care of that by bringing in so many different cultures; it makes it hard to stand up. You know the old divide and conquer. So it’s up to us to take these idiots out of power and it can be done.


8 posted on 11/13/2007 1:38:07 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: HAL9000

In other words; I don’t care if you are pink with purple polka dots; if you have values; and most people do; stand up hard for them and get rid of the vermin that doesn’t.

That is universal. People understand values. We need to hit hard and keep hitting. Sure, it won’t be easy. Some people say it can’t be done. Yes; it can. If one thinks we can’t reverse this; yes we can. Our values mean something. Words mean something. Let’s return to what words really mean. TV and the MSM and politicians; etc are great for twisting words. They do it all the time. Let’s put values back into our lives.


9 posted on 11/13/2007 1:50:51 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: HAL9000
We hate Bush, and we hate the Bushes.

No, we don't hate Bush. Plenty of problems exist in the administration, but hate is a strong term for this columnist to employ.

That being said, he makes some excellent points.

"Hating Bush" didn't get John Kerry elected--and by the same token "Hating Hitlery" won't get the Republican elected.

10 posted on 11/13/2007 1:53:39 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: HAL9000
First and foremost, if we cannot defeat a marxist on the issues, we may as well shutter this place and turn it into a museum. I am focused on the issues and I know it's the focus of most people who oppose Her Heinous. That goes for the other RATS in the race as well.

As a practical matter, the Klintoons simply have too much media cover to be harmed by scandal. It's a pointless exercise to think the next scandal will be the final straw after they've survived the others. Not that she should get a pass, but it should not be the main topic when going after her.

It has to be on the issues, and it should be on the issues. That's where the Republicans have lost their way because they've strayed from their core issues of smaller government, spending restraint, and strong defense that includes the border. New entitlements like Medicaid prescription plans, christmas trees disguised as spending bills, and a President and party leadership who want to turn the United States into one large Motel 6 where we leave the light on illegal immigrants are not winning issues for Republicans and are far from the conservative issues that swept in Ronald Reagan and ultimately the 1994 takeover of Congress.

So it's very simple: don't play whack-a-mole with this scandal and that scandal, but instead systematically take apart the head marxist and the other marxists who want to turn this country into Cuba North or Soviet Union West. That is the real scandal.

11 posted on 11/13/2007 2:55:16 AM PST by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Mr Apple; HAL9000
Guys, I agree with you both but running on the message of anti-Hillary is not going to be enough to win! Running on hate- alone is a Dimocrat play. We're the party of hope, and we better start crafting the message and the policy so the American people have something to vote FOR.
12 posted on 11/13/2007 3:07:10 AM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: HAL9000

Personally, Hillary-hate goes a long way for me.


13 posted on 11/13/2007 3:47:18 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Hunterite
“Trade and ginormous immigration have been entirely rejected by a supermajority of Republicans. Continuing along this same formula will split the Republican vote.”

Exactly right. But while we’re at it, let us not forget anemic tax reform, massive increases in social spending, and a general explosion of pork economics. With Bush, et al, we get virtual Hillary.

14 posted on 11/13/2007 3:48:38 AM PST by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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To: VictoryGal
Good Morning!

Sean Hannity has been pounding away that theme for a long time. I agree.

There is such a stark difference between what the dems offer verses a strong conservative agenda:

Win the war on terror, seal the borders, improve better and more affordable health care with unlimited economic growth, and stimulus packages, pro life agenda, and continue to preserve the rights and freedoms that made this country great.

The dems have put themselves in our gunsights. We need to pull the trigger.

15 posted on 11/13/2007 4:04:39 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: HAL9000
Morris repeatedly shook his head and tried to explain where Hannity was going wrong: “Whenever anybody hits Hillary on her personal life, her marriage, or whether she is a lesbian or not, it plays into her hands.”

How does this play into her hand? I don't think she can play the victum like Bill, she's total devoid of any sense of charm.

I understand Morris can say this about Bill, but I don't understand him making a like judgement about Hillary?

16 posted on 11/13/2007 4:09:55 AM PST by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: KingofZion
Who says running against Hillary isn't enough? It worked for the RATs in 06. They had absolutely nothing positive to offer in the way of an agenda. This time, they're running against Bush--nothing else.

However, we have the winning agenda on our side. We've been handed huge gifts. The agenda has never been more clear.

An overwhelming percentage of the American people want immigration laws enforced--huge advantage Republicans.

Americans want to feel secure--Democrats are actually on the side of our enemies and threaten our security.

Democrats will destroy the economy. They have already started touting their huge tax increases--again, advantage Republicans.

One hundred dollar a barrel for oil? Why? Because Democrats are preventing us from drilling for and refining our own oil. There's oil to be had if the RATS would only get out of the way. We also need nuclear power plants. Again, a huge issue for Republicans.

These issues are so simple, anyone can understand them--even Democrats.

17 posted on 11/13/2007 4:22:15 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Northern Yankee
The dems have put themselves in our gunsights. We need to pull the trigger. You are absolutely correct. The RATS have walked into a trap an now we need to spring the trap.
18 posted on 11/13/2007 4:25:27 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: KingofZion

Hate worked very well for dims in 2006.

LLS


19 posted on 11/13/2007 4:26:42 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: VictoryGal
“Running on hate- alone is a Dimocrat play.”

While hate alone will not get it... who controls both Houses of Congress and what emotion catapulted them into power?

LLS

20 posted on 11/13/2007 4:28:39 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: KingofZion
Agree 100%. As much as I despise HRC and BC (more than just about anyone besides osama and his buddies) we cannot beat them with hate any more than the Libs could beat Bush with hate in 2004. You need to have an agenda, a platform, a reason to vote for you. Even more so in 2008 mired in a war and a huge spending spree. So far I haven’t seen any candidates with much of a positive message except Romney and Thompson. And both are pretty vague. Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo have some good ideas that need to be incorporated in the platform. Just being pro-life and anti-illegal and anti-Hillary isn’t gong to cut it. . Anti-Illegal is an agenda. Why are you putting that into the same category as Hillary bashing?
21 posted on 11/13/2007 4:32:35 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: HAL9000; Mr Apple

22 posted on 11/13/2007 4:33:50 AM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“While hate alone will not get it... who controls both Houses of Congress and what emotion catapulted them into power?”

Did Democrats win the election, or did Republicans not vote?


23 posted on 11/13/2007 4:37:23 AM PST by Hunterite
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To: HAL9000

Personally I don’t think America is ready for a female president- especially Dillery. My wife mentioned the other day that she cannot understand why the media seems to fawn all over her: in my wife’s words “She seems like such a bitch”. If my non political wife can see that all the way from Australia with the limited coverage we get then I believe the decent women of America can also see right through her and will not vote for her.

This leaves only the singlet wearing, hairy armpitted women and the nuetered democrat males of America that will vote for her.

In my hmble opinion a win for Shillery in the primary’s will mean a repulican win - hopefully for Thompson - he seems like the only one (from this side of the Pacific) who has the balls and the vision to be a true Republican President.

Cheers

Mel


24 posted on 11/13/2007 4:48:17 AM PST by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: HAL9000

The title of this article should be said loud and often.

Anyone but Bush is what lost the elections for the Dems.


25 posted on 11/13/2007 4:58:34 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Hunterite

Welcome to FreeRepublic!


26 posted on 11/13/2007 5:01:09 AM PST by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Hunterite
Silly question... you DO NOT take office without winning. Some Republicans in places like Virginia voted... for dims! No, they won on Bush hate... that is all that the dims have... and hildebeast is still running against Bush.

LLS

27 posted on 11/13/2007 5:06:58 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Hate had nothing to do with 2006 (though I know it must be comforting to think otherwise).

2006 was the result of

(1) GOP corruption in Congress (lost seats that were ultra-safe)
(2) GOP budgetary failures (spent more than Dems - lost fiscal conservatism mantle)

(3) Unpopular war (yes, I know that’s not the popular view here - but it IS unpopular in most towns)

(4) Katrina

(5) Historical pattern of 6th year losses for party in power.

The real question is whether the trend can be reversed. So far I see no signs. RATS have indeed failed to do anything, but that won’t be enough to kick them out.


28 posted on 11/13/2007 4:00:46 PM PST by KingofZion
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To: HAL9000
I disagree. You can't beat nothing with nothing. That is exactly what Hillary is counting on if she is the Democratic nominee.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

29 posted on 11/13/2007 4:02:34 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: VictoryGal; Hal2000; Wolverine; doug from upland; dixiechick2000; All
but running on the message of anti-Hillary

Let me clarify my post.
I think it is imperative that the Republican candidate ask Hillary in the coming debates next fall (if she is the Democrat candidate) about these particular Chinese agents I listed; why did she and Bill have repeated dealings with them year after year. And after being directly asked about these five individuals, see how she responds on stage with the whole world watching.

30 posted on 11/13/2007 5:27:03 PM PST by Mr Apple ( "VIDEO CHINAGATE" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2970981220206109356)
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