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Really really really good news for the GOP
ModernConservative.com ^ | Christopher Cook

Posted on 11/14/2007 5:27:25 AM PST by connell

By Christopher Cook

Let's face it folks, the country is in a weird mood right now. The left's incessant, squalling permatantrum™ has made people unhappy, jittery, and willing to consider hating whoever and whatever the left hates. That means the GOP.

So, how does this anti-GOP mood play out in 2008?

It may all depend on one thing: Michael Bloomberg. There were some rumors a while back that he might make a third party run for the presidency, and in my view, that would likely spell doom for the GOP. Here's how:

He's an independent, which means he could capitalize on the anti-incumbent vibe the electorate is feeling right now. He's a multi-billionaire, which means he can spend endlessly on his own campaign (a huge advantage since the disaster of McCain–Feingold).

Most of all...he's not Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, or a Republican, all of which would be very advantageous...

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; autocrat; elections; giuliani; gungrabber; hillary; julieannie; proabortion; rino; rinorudy; sickofrudy
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I know some of y'all don't like Giuliani. As I say in the article, I think any of the top tier Republicans fit this scenario just about the same. But more importantly...

Hillary Clinton and her left-wing cohorts represent a threat to the fabric of civilization itself, and after this primary is over, I'm getting FULL FORCE behind WHOEVER is the candidate against her (or Obama, or Edwards, or any Democrat). The left must be stopped!
1 posted on 11/14/2007 5:27:26 AM PST by connell
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To: connell

If this guys point is that Republican (or even Independent) fear and distrust of Hillary Clinton is enough to elect ANY Republican, even Rudy Giuliani, I’m floored by the shallowness and naivety of the thinking process behind such a conclusion.

I think Cook needs to swear off the hard stuff and stick to diet colas.


2 posted on 11/14/2007 5:44:57 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: connell

The mighty Moderate Swing Voter is over rated. Give America a clear choice between a conservative and a progressive and the conservative will win easily. It is the Political Consultant who fantasizes over winning the Undecided by moving to the middle. That helps the progressives but hurts conservatives.

I think a true conservative will win the GOP nomination and defeat the Democrats. I doubt a Hillary vs Rudy match up.


3 posted on 11/14/2007 5:50:35 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: John Valentine

So, is it your view that no Republican can win in 2008, or more specifically that something other than fear and distrust will be required?


4 posted on 11/14/2007 5:50:49 AM PST by connell (She must be stopped)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Some elections hinge on base voters, some on swing voters, e.g., 2002 and 2004 were base, 2006 was swing. 2008 is going to be interesting, to be sure, and who the vital constituency will be this time has never, in my view, been harder to predict.


5 posted on 11/14/2007 5:53:22 AM PST by connell (She must be stopped)
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To: connell

There is no way I will ever vote for Rino Rudy. If he is nominated I will go third party.


6 posted on 11/14/2007 5:59:10 AM PST by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: connell

I think the Republicans can win and win big in 2008, but not with Rudy.

Rudy is the LEAST electable of the entire field. We’d be better off running Ron Paul.

Mind you, I’m not recommending that, only making a point. I have a favorite, but I’m not going to say who here, as it is not relevant to the post.

We just need to nominate a credible conservative that people will vote FOR, not just as a protest against Hillary Clinton. It has to be somebody running on a campaign to reverse the drift toward socialism, not just slow it down.


7 posted on 11/14/2007 5:59:43 AM PST by John Valentine
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To: connell

2006 was not, IMO, swing. It was the leftist media making much of Macaca and George Allen’s ceding the battlefield over it. Had Allen stayed on message and ignored the Macaca flap he would have won. Instead he wrestled in the mud with the pigs trying to apologize his way out of it. The same is true in other races. No conservative who stayed on message lost.


8 posted on 11/14/2007 6:01:21 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: connell
His premise assumes that conservatives will vote for a baby killing, pro-gay, anti-marriage, anti-2nd Amendment liberal in GOP clothing, just to avoid a Democrat since "that would be worse".

Wrong, Sparky.

if Guiliani is the candidate, the Dems win.

9 posted on 11/14/2007 6:16:10 AM PST by mikeus_maximus (CAIR delende est.)
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To: connell
Not a chance. The Bush's have done their best to destroy the conservative movement and in many ways succeeded. Guiliani, who was twice the Liberal Party candidate for Mayor of NY, would finish the job.

If we've learned anything about the Republican Party the last few years it's that they'll support anything a President with an R next to his name proposes. That isn't good enough. If Guiliani gets the Republican nomination I'll vote for the Democrat. It'll be the first time I'll cast a vote for a Democrat for federal office in forty years of voting in every election.

If the choice is a Liberal Republican or a Democrat, the only hope the Republican Party will remember its conservative roots is if the Democrat's in the White House.

10 posted on 11/14/2007 6:22:23 AM PST by caltrop
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To: John Valentine
Why is it that when the Democrats say, "We hate George Bush", "Anyone but Bush", the conservatives say, "It's not enough to elect someone else just on the basis of we don't like the one in office".

When conservatives say, "Anyone but Hillary", why do they not see that they are doing the same thing.

It's not enough to only be against something, you have to stand FOR something.

If the conservatives allow a liberal, disguised as a conservative, to be their candidate because, "Only they can beat Hillary", they aren't standing FOR something.
They are only against something. The same thing they accuse the liberals of being.

11 posted on 11/14/2007 6:25:33 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: connell
That’s right. While Giuliani is definitely not my choice in the primaries, I will line up behind him for the main election.
12 posted on 11/14/2007 6:29:31 AM PST by MichiganWoodsman
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To: connell
I know some of y'all don't like Giuliani.

The left must be stopped!

What has the first sentence to do with the second?

We'd better get behind a candidate other than Rudy and soon!

Fred Thompson (since we can never have Tom Tancredo) will fit the oval office just fine.

13 posted on 11/14/2007 6:38:01 AM PST by fweingart (Life's a bitch. Why vote for one?)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

You’re right on those points, I think. And your points are something for conservative candidates to remember. However, just in terms of turnout numbers and who did what in 2006 in comparision to 2004, we didn’t lose our base in 2006, we lost more swingers who had voted for us in ‘04, but changed their minds (for whatever reason) in ‘06


14 posted on 11/14/2007 6:39:51 AM PST by connell (She must be stopped)
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To: mikeus_maximus

Maybe-—I certainly think conservative defections are a big risk for Giuliani. However, he does pick up a lot from the middle and even some Democrats. Whether those would offset, I’m not sure. However, I do lean in the direction that Romney would be more electable for us.


15 posted on 11/14/2007 6:41:25 AM PST by connell (She must be stopped)
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To: Just another Joe

Problem is I dont thing any of the current field has a chance of beating Hilliary except Rudy. Wonder how many conservatives sit this one out if it becomes down to Hilliary vs Rudy.

Maybe it is time for a new conservative party not this RINO crap.


16 posted on 11/14/2007 6:45:01 AM PST by Bailee
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To: mikeus_maximus

“Suppose someone seeking the presidential nomination had, as a governor, signed the largest tax increase in his state’s history and the nation’s most permissive abortion law. And by signing a law institutionalizing no-fault divorce, he had unwittingly but substantially advanced an idea central to the campaign for same-sex marriages — the minimalist understanding of marriage as merely a contract between consenting adults to be entered into or dissolved as it suits their happiness. “Question: Is it not likely that such a presidential aspirant would be derided by some of today’s fastidious conservatives? A sobering thought, that, because the attributes just described were those of Ronald Reagan.”

-George Will


17 posted on 11/14/2007 6:46:12 AM PST by itsamelman (Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh. - - Al Swearengen)
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To: Hydroshock
If he is nominated I will go third party.

Sorry pal, you may go through the motions... but you're ELECTING Clinton.

18 posted on 11/14/2007 6:48:12 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: connell
Strategery run amok, methinks.

Nothing with the name Bloomberg in it is good news for the GOP.

Slipping a third New York liberal into the race harms Giuliani as GOP nominee even more. It would be a Hitlery landslide.
19 posted on 11/14/2007 6:49:05 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: Just another Joe
If the conservatives allow a liberal, disguised as a conservative, to be their candidate because, "Only they can beat Hillary", they aren't standing FOR something.

Well, I beg to differ as in this case are they standing for one thing: Win At Any Cost. And no, that's not a good thing. When the R party starts adopting that approach, we are in serious trouble...
20 posted on 11/14/2007 6:49:53 AM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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