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Founders' Quotes - Democracy Leads to Tyranny
Patriot Post - others ^ | 11/14/2007 | Alexander Hamilton

Posted on 11/14/2007 6:46:12 AM PST by Loud Mime

“It had been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience had proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.”
Alexander Hamilton June 21, 1788

“The world is weary of statesmen whom democracy has degraded into politicians.”
British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli -1850

“The adoption of Democracy as a form of Government by all European nations is fatal to good Government, to liberty, to law and order, to respect for authority, and to religion, and must eventually produce a state of chaos from which a new world tyranny will arise.”
Duke of Northumberland 1931

“I have long been convinced that institutions purely democratic must, sooner or later, destroy liberty or civilization, or both.”
Thomas Babington Macaulay

“Democracy forever teases us with the contrast between its ideals and its realities, between its heroic possibilities and its sorry achievements.
Agnes Repplier

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
C.S. Lewis

A good politician under democracy is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar.
H.L. Mencken

Nothing...is unchangeable but the inherent and unalienable rights of man.
Thomas Jefferson (letter to John Cartwright, 1824)

Be in general virtuous, and you will be happy.
Benjamin Franklin (letter to John Alleyne, 9 August 1768)

And this one I cannot verify:

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
A writer claimed it was Thomas Jefferson, but it's not in his style.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: foundingfathers; quotes

1 posted on 11/14/2007 6:46:13 AM PST by Loud Mime
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To: Vision; sauropod; gondramB; Loud Mime; sneakers; toomanygrasshoppers; jasoncann; gr8eman; ...
PING!
2 posted on 11/14/2007 6:46:56 AM PST by Loud Mime (Life was better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not)
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To: Loud Mime

The founders despised “true” democracy... they understood it to be a failed and flawed construct, which is why they gave us a Republic.

Sadly their posterity is largely so ill educated and ill informed that many worship at the alter of democracy and not liberty.


3 posted on 11/14/2007 6:50:41 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Loud Mime

Hence, my tagline.


4 posted on 11/14/2007 6:53:19 AM PST by poobear (Pure democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. God save the Republic!)
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To: HamiltonJay

You’re right....they abhored democracies.

My favorite questions to a liberal:
(1) What form of government do we have in the US?
(2) What is the difference between a Democracy and a Republic?

Then the killer: If you don’t know these answers, what good is your opinion?


5 posted on 11/14/2007 6:54:45 AM PST by Loud Mime (Life was better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not)
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To: poobear

Aristotle wrote that a Democracy was a form of government where every man voted in his own self interest.

Darned if I could find it in time for today’s thread......


6 posted on 11/14/2007 6:57:07 AM PST by Loud Mime (Life was better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not)
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To: Froufrou

ping


7 posted on 11/14/2007 7:14:14 AM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: Loud Mime
A good politician under democracy is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar. H.L. Mencken

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8 posted on 11/14/2007 7:14:47 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (NY Times: "fake but accurate")
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To: Loud Mime
(1) What form of government do we have in the US?

We're supposed to have a Constitutional Republic, but I really think that these days what we have is a bastardocracy.

(2) What is the difference between a Democracy and a Republic?

Democracy is mob rule. In a republic, the will of the people are respected insofar as the will of the people does not violate the God-given rights of any individual.

Or, as has been quipped before, Democracy is two lions and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. A Republic is two lions and a lamb voting on what's for dinner, except the lamb has a gun.
9 posted on 11/14/2007 7:16:58 AM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: Loud Mime

If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it.

Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826),
letter to James Lewis, Jr., May 9, 1798

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826),
Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)


10 posted on 11/14/2007 7:19:37 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: JamesP81

There’s only one guarantee in the Constitution. I frequently ask the smartA libs what it is.

Invariably, they say the “pursuit of happiness.” Wrong Document. Wrong “guarantee”.

My point is that we have a Republic. But we’re treating it like an abusive parent treats their child. We can do great good or great bad.


11 posted on 11/14/2007 7:22:17 AM PST by Loud Mime (Life was fair when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

As always, great information from you. Thank You.


12 posted on 11/14/2007 7:24:43 AM PST by Loud Mime (Life was fair when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not)
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To: HamiltonJay

The founders despised “true” democracy... they understood it to be a failed and flawed construct, which is why they gave us a Republic.
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Exactly. Even then they realized the difference.


13 posted on 11/14/2007 7:43:02 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Loud Mime

Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half the time.
E. B. White (1899 - 1985), New Yorker, July 3, 1944


14 posted on 11/14/2007 7:47:01 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: Loud Mime

A good politician under democracy is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar.
H.L. Mencken

Bull.


15 posted on 11/14/2007 7:52:42 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: Loud Mime
(2) What is the difference between a Democracy and a Republic?

In a democracy 5 wolves and 2 sheep can vote on what to have for dinner.

In a Republic 5 wolves and 2 sheep can vote on what to have for dinner, except the sheep are allowed to carry firearms.- tom

16 posted on 11/14/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Loud Mime

Democracy: A government of the masses.

Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression.

Results in mobocracy.

Attitude toward property is communistic — negating property rights.

Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.

Results in demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.

Training Manual No. TM 2000-25

17 posted on 11/14/2007 9:53:51 AM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Loud Mime

“True democracy is two lambs and a wolf voting on what’s for dinner” —Ben Franklin

“Democracy is a terrible form of government...but all the others are so much worse!” —Churchill

“Truth is not determined by a majority vote” —Pope Benedict

The sequence in the rise and fall of a democracy, by Alex Fraser Tytler:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from great courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to selfishness;
6. from selfishness to complacency;
7. from complacency to apathy;
8. from apathy to dependence;
9. from dependency back again to bondage.

Wonder how this will go over in Pakistan, eh?


18 posted on 11/14/2007 10:22:40 AM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: G8 Diplomat

whoops, should be two wolves and a lamb


19 posted on 11/14/2007 10:23:27 AM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: Loud Mime

James Madison warned:

‘Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.’

Alexander F. Tyler stated:

‘A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of the treasury with the result that democracies always collapse over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a dictatorship.’

Fisher Ames stated:

‘Liberty has never lasted long in a democracy, nor has it ever ended in anything better than despotism.’

Samuel Adams stated:

‘Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes itself, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.’


20 posted on 11/14/2007 10:29:01 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: JamesP81; Loud Mime

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

Cry me a river if it ain’t so!!!


21 posted on 11/14/2007 10:37:44 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Loud Mime
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter." Winston Churchill
22 posted on 11/14/2007 1:01:54 PM PST by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows
Did you read today's WSJ Editorial Page?
23 posted on 11/14/2007 2:31:59 PM PST by Loud Mime (Life was fair when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not)
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To: Loud Mime
Did you read today's WSJ Editorial Page?

No, I hadn't; thanks for sharing.

Some people's hatred of President Bush has clouded their ability to think clearly. The most recent public example was Hillary answering a cogent question about illegal immigrants in her state having a driver's license. Her attempt to include blame on the President in her answer tripped her up and she hasn’t recovered to this day.

24 posted on 11/14/2007 3:08:45 PM PST by MosesKnows
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To: JamesP81

Actually, we have a “Representative Republic,” based on the “Constitution!”


25 posted on 11/14/2007 3:17:11 PM PST by HopeandGlory (Hey, Liberals . . . PC died on 9/11 . . . GET USED TO IT!!!)
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To: MosesKnows

I key on hatred. When I visited Dachau I sat in bewilderment; how could hatred allow such things? Now I see the liberals blaming everything on conservatives while saying Tim Russert should be shot. They’re on the same path...they just haven’t gone as far yet.

The politician who surfs the hatred while posing themselves as the person who can deliver the country from the “oppressors” is a dangerous character. Hillary isn’t out yet....there’s a long way to go.


26 posted on 11/14/2007 5:26:37 PM PST by Loud Mime (The Democrats made people believe that govt. lawyers are victims, whatta country!)
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To: Loud Mime
Wisdom

One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people. He said, "My son, the battle is between two "wolves" inside us all.

One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.

The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: "Which wolf wins?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

27 posted on 11/15/2007 4:08:42 AM PST by MosesKnows
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To: Loud Mime

Bumped for posterity.


28 posted on 02/22/2011 3:06:00 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

Wow, talk about a blast from the past!


29 posted on 02/22/2011 9:33:01 PM PST by Loud Mime (NWe need to stop playing American Idol with the Presidency.)
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