Some people are blind because they choose to be.
Posted on 11/14/2007 9:29:37 AM PST by shrinkermd
...But Bush hatred is different. It's not that this time members of the intellectual class have been swept away by passion and become votaries of anger and loathing. Alas, intellectuals have always been prone to employ their learning and fine words to whip up resentment and demonize the competition. Bush hatred, however, is distinguished by the pride intellectuals have taken in their hatred, openly endorsing it as a virtue and enthusiastically proclaiming that their hatred is not only a rational response to the president and his administration but a mark of good moral hygiene.
...On the contrary, they argued, Bush hatred was fully warranted considering his theft of the 2000 election in Florida with the aid of the Supreme Court's decision in Bush v. Gore; his politicization of national security by making the invasion of Iraq an issue in the 2002 midterm elections; and his shredding of the Constitution to authorize the torture of enemy combatants.
...Many of my colleagues at Princeton that evening seemed not to have considered that in 2000 it was Al Gore who shifted the election controversy to the courts by filing a lawsuit challenging decisions made by local Florida county election supervisors. Nor did many of my Princeton dinner companions take into account that between the Florida Supreme Court and the U.S. Supreme Court, 10 of 16 higher court judges -- five of whom were Democratic appointees -- found equal protection flaws with the recount scheme ordered by the intermediate Florida court. And they did not appear to have pondered Judge Richard Posner's sensible observation, much less themselves sensibly observe, that while indeed it was strange to have the U.S. Supreme Court decide a presidential election, it would have been even stranger for the election to have been decided by the Florida Supreme Court.
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Hate is all they have. But they do seem to just love it more than they love winning. So, I’m all for letting them continue to lose by highlighting how deranged and hateful they really are.
We’ve all seen how well their hatred has lead them to govern in the House. All that insanity resulted in a bunch of phony conservative demoncrats who keep having to split with Queen Pelosi in order to have any chance of keeping their ill gotten seats. Heath Shuler - I’m talking to YOU!!!!
‘...Many of my colleagues at Princeton that evening seemed not to have considered that in 2000 it was Al Gore who shifted the election controversy to the courts by filing a lawsuit challenging decisions made by local Florida county election supervisors. ‘
This fact is the one lied about by liberals the most when you ask about their BDS illness. They insist Bush filed the lawsuit.
Every time. Doesn’t matter what you cite, or put before them to read for themselves.
When you are so ate up with the goofies you lie TO YOURSELF over and over again...you really need therapy.
Some excellent points in the extract. But I don’t want to sign up for Yahoo Finance to read the rest of it.
I tried to convince my liberal friend of Gore’s involvement of this election issue in 2000. You simply can’t do it, no matter what facts you throw at them.
When I mentioned that the Florida Supreme Court was going to basically allow Gore to continue to recount past the legally bound time, he said “Every vote most count!” over and over again.
Of course when they did the recounts Bush won anyway.
I’ve had the exact same experience numerous times, both in these kinds of forums, and in the real world.
Its like trying to decribe the color ‘red’ to a person blind from birth.
After pretty much picking apart his faulty points, he said, “Well we should get rid of the electoral college.”
Man oh man....that’s some logic right there huh? Because your guy didn’t win, let’s just change how we elect people until he does.
--One of the best single-sentence wrap-up's I ve seen in a while---
Some people are blind because they choose to be.
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Look at how they attacked Newt, DeLay, Frist, Cheney, Condi, Rumsfeld....
‘After pretty much picking apart his faulty points, he said, “Well we should get rid of the electoral college.”
Man oh man....that’s some logic right there huh? Because your guy didn’t win, let’s just change how we elect people until he does.’
Its no accident ‘get rid of the electoral college’ was basically the first public utterance by newly elected Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Looks like a woman with nice boobs to me.....(chuckle)
Bush Derangement Syndrome is a disease.
Can any of us here imagine having that much hatred inside of them? The hatred the liberals have embraced has to affect EVERY aspect of their life. It must suck to be them.
I find that when citing facts to some of these insane zealots, their eyes glaze over, they zone out, then continue on as if I never said anything at all. Not every time, but way too often. It’s as though they don’t hear anything that’s not in their brainwashing script.
“Can any of us here imagine having that much hatred inside of them?”
I couldn’t STAND the Clinton Presidency but I had nowhere NEAR the disdain for Bubba that Liberals (who claim to be open minded and compassionate) have for Bush. It’s simply irrational.
Don’t hate me because I’m beautiful.
“All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all
truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all
the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil, to crazy Ahab, were
visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Moby Dick. He piled
upon the whale’s white hump the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by
his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he
burst his hot heart’s shell upon it.” -Melville, Moby Dick
You folks are addressing one of the most dangerous dynamics we face as a nation each election day. We faced it twice in the 1990s. In 1992 and 1996 our nation elected a man known to have very serious flaws. Right now we’re poised to see the power behind the man run for her own term as President. If a segement of our populace continues to ignore the obvious in order to see their way clear to vote for Hillary next hear, our nation will be in jeopardy for between four and eight years.
The warning signs are there. Historians will have a hay day if those warning signs are ignored and the evil one gets elected.
I agree, and see the same problem with Guiliani, btw.
Posted on 11/14/2007 4:13:23 AM CST by Aristotelian
ANGRY LEFT: The Insanity of Bush Hatred
BDS precedes Bush ... Those of a certain age will recall that the left hated President Reagan with the same white-hot ferocity, and showed considerable signs of it toward President Nixon.
I share your observation in part. I will say that I think Rudy would do some things I think would be wrong. He would do it in good concience though. I doubt we could say that about Hillary. She would do thinks against this nation, and she has no concience whatsoever.
Fair points.
I still won’t vote for Guiliani under any circumstances.
Liberalism is a mental disease.
The left hated Reagan just as much.
That’s why they never mentioned his degree in economics, amongst other things.
If there had been no electoral college, we would’ve had the mess of Florida litigation spread out to every district in America.
Al Gore “won” by 0.51%. The final Florida tally did not include the 3,000 military ballots that were approved by the Florida Supreme Court (they weren’t going to change the outcome so Katherine Harris certified the original tally).
There were a number of places that did not tally the absentee ballots because they too would not have affected the outcome. Add to that known vote fraud, etc. etc.
We’d still be trying to figure out who won.
Let’s do away with giving Rhode Island 2 Senators too. < /s >
I know.
Hmmm. . . virtuous hatred? OxyMORONIC.
It’s because they’re stupid- Eisenhower was, as were Reagan and Bush 43. Bush 41 was okay, but the stupid label passed to Quayle. We’re waiting until the Republican nomination for the next “stupid Republican” label.
Oceana has alway been at war with......
And neither will I. At some point you have to stand up and say you won’t buy into moving incrementally left any longer.
If the right is going to act like a democrat, we just as well vote for democrats. I don’t want to do that any longer.
Yep.
Reminds me of Reagans reason for dropping out of the Democratic Party;
‘I didn’t leave the Democratic Party, they left me’.
Thats how I’m beginning to feel about the GOP.
Every large farm/ranch should have two, They come in handy for pork.
Whether you supported him or not (and I did), I couldn’t accept the leadership of the RP calling Buchanan the next Hitler in 1996. When Bob Bennet was asked to repudiate that comment, he said that if Buchanan wasn’t Hitleresque, he walked right up to the line and wavered over it. Dole was asked and he said he didn’t want to address the issue.
Up until that moment, I accepted the idea that Republicans won on issues. They offered the best views and won elections in that manner. I thought immigration was a very important topic, and if Buchanan was going to get called Hitler because of his views on immigration, I wasn’t going to stand for it. I voted for Dole that year and have felt unclean since. I didn’t vote for Bush the fist time around. I voted for Buchanan. In 2004, I did vote for Bush. And look what he has done with regard to protecting our borders.
That incident in 1996 was the moment I realized that the Republican party would do anything to win. And at the same time I realized I couldn’t support anything they would do, just to win.
The party didn’t just walk away from me, they ran as fast as they could from me, and the values I still hold dear. Look at what they foisted off on us in California.
I’ve voted for my last RINO, and Arnold was the one. That was a very tough vote to cast. If I had to do it over again, I wouldn’t, but I don’t fault that vote. I was trying to prevent someone even worse from getting the office. I just can’t continue to vote for a RINO time after time after time.
I won’t be doing so.
The best counter to that is to ask them to explain the memo, written by the Dems, on how to throw out the military absentee ballots.
They just do not have an answer for that one.
The Bush hater are indeed irrational.
But let those of us who despise Hillary (and I am one) be careful that we don’t emulate them and lose sight of the forest for the trees.
Right, since the Constitiution gives the right to the state of Florida and by implication that would be the Florida legislature. If the popular vote was not determinative, then the legislature had the right to chose between the candidates.
If you think about it, you’ll see this over and over again from the left.
Conservative thinkers are process/rules oriented. As long as everyone observes the rules, the outcome is inherently fair, because the winner(s) just played the game better.
Liberal “thinkers” are outcome oriented. The winner(s) must be X, or more importantly, not Y - so we need to adjust the rules to make this happen (affirmative action, electoral college, progressive taxation).
Well, conservatives have to be concerned about outcomes as well. What if the rules bring a tyrant into power? The right of revolution is part of the true liberal tradition. But the purpose of the revolution might be to preserve liberty, not to accumulate power into the hands of a self-appointed ruling class.
The article was posted on Opinion Journal, the free site. Maybe you can post the whole article from Opinion Journal.
When the right says, “Anyone but Hillary” and the Hillary Clinton hatred shows up isn’t that the same thing?
Why is it that conservative Republicans don’t recognize the same type of activity in their own ranks that they deride in the ranks of the other party?
Why do so many on the left hate George Bush?
”He stole the 2000 Presidential election and then stole the 2004 Presidential election too.”
”He got us into a war that we shouldn’t have been in.”
”All he cares about are his buddies in the oil business.”
”He’s stupid”
”His enviromental policy sucks.”
”He vacations alot, which means he is lazy.”
”He is openly Christian and ties his religion too much to his politics.”
”DMCA and the Patriot Act were responsible for the loss of personal freedoms resulting in corporate America and the federal government persecuting the American people unjustly.
Let’s take a look at these accusations
”He stole the 2000 Presidential election and then stole the 2004 Presidential election too.”
Just how did George Bush “steal” the election? Was there ballot box stuffing?
Sure, it was a close race but it had to end sometime. We couldn’t keep doing recounts forever like the Democrats wanted to do.
Keep in mind that in 2000 this was before George Bush was President. So how did he “steal” the election?
”He got us into a war that we shouldn’t have been in.”
Sometimes you are not given a choice whether you want to be in a war or not.
We, the USA, were not given that choice.
The events of September 11, 2001 brought us into a war.
Other intelligence, correct or incorrect, took us to Afghanistan and Iraq.
The President is privy to intelligence not seen by the general public, or even by a majority of elected officials. This is as it should be.
Decisions made according to that intelligence may not seem like the best decisions when seen from the outside but decisions, hard decisions, sometimes have to be made.
The Congress voted with President Bush to go into Afghanistan and Iraq so the intelligence must have been compelling, at least at the time.
”All he cares about are his buddies in the oil business.”
I haven’t seen President Bush DO anything for his buddies in the oil business.
Are the oil companies making a profit? I hope so as that’s the reason they’re in business to begin with. Is that profit huge? Not comparably. 10% isn’t a huge return on investment in any business. Are they making more money? Sure.
With more people driving, more gasoline being sold, more money coming in, of course they make more money.
At least to my way of thinking the speculators are making the obscene profits and President Bush isn’t reputed to be friends with any of them.
”He’s stupid”
One sentence.
He graduated from Yale.
Do you graduate from Yale, with any grade point average, and be stupid?
He was stupid enough to be elected Governor of Texas and President of the United States.
Doesn’t really sound very stupid to me.
”His enviromental policy sucks.”
Here is President Bush’s philosophy on the environment.
The focus is on results – making our air, water, and land cleaner.
We need to employ the best science and data to inform our decision-making.
Our policies should encourage innovation and the development of new, cleaner technologies.
We should continue to build on America’s ethic of stewardship and personal responsibility through education and volunteer opportunities, and in our daily lives.
Opportunities for environmental improvements are not limited to Federal Government actions
States, tribes, local communities, and individuals must be included.
Doesn’t sound like that bad a policy to me.
The implementation of that policy may have been flawed but considering that Democratic appointments maintained their positions in the various agencies involved, that may put the blame on Democrats, not the President.
”He vacations a lot, which means he is lazy.”
The President is on call 24X7X365 no matter where he is.
The communications equipment he has to remain in touch is unsurpassed. There is no such thing as a ‘vacation’ for a sitting President.
”He is openly Christian and ties his religion too much to his politics.”
And this is a BAD thing. If more people lived by Christian ideals this world would be a MUCH better place to live in.
Of course his religion plays into his politics. Anyone that is serious about their religion will have the same thing happen. If you are a truly religious person, no matter the religion, it will affect your world view.
”DMCA and the Patriot Act were responsible for the loss of personal freedoms resulting in corporate America and the federal government persecuting the American people unjustly.
The DMCA? Responsible for loss of personal freedom? Persecution of the American people unjustly?
Puuuuleeeeze. Let’s have some intelligence, of the personal kind, here.
While the DMCA may have been an ill advised move it was not President Bush that pushed this through the Congress. It may have been some corporations that supported it but President Bush wasn’t the one that made it so.
Some parts of the Patriot Act, in my opinion, were ill conceived, however, once again, President Bush did not make this law all by himself.
Once law, the President used all means at his disposal to combat terror attacks on this nation.
I applaud him for this.
Now let’s take a look at why people hate Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton is Someone that wants:
More of your money (We will take things from you for the good of all)
All of your guns
To tell you how to raise your kids (It takes a village)
To nationalize helthcare (if we think this is such a great idea, why do we complain about medicare?)
aquiring the FBI files of 900 republicans
The NY house is the first time a taxpayer hasn't paid the Clinton's rent.
So, let’s take a look at these
Hillary Clinton is Someone that wants: More of your money (We will take things from you for the good of all)
This is a direct quote from Hillary during a speech in June of 2004.
Why would I hate someone that wants to take things from me and give them to someone else for no good reason other than I have something and someone else doesn’t?
Hillary Clinton is Someone that wants: All of your guns
Hillary STRONGLY opposes an absolute right to gun ownership.
This means she believes: More guns mean more killing. (This is not true. According to statistics available to anyone, when guns increase for law abiding citizens, gun crime goes down.)Limit availability of guns by whatever means are effective. (I bold this because this is truly what Hillary wants.) The 2nd amendment does not mean an unlimited right to any and all firearms. (Opinions vary but wording doesn’t.)
Hillary Clinton is Someone that wants: To tell you how to raise your kids (It takes a village)
It takes a village to raise a child. The village is Washington. You are the child. There, I've spared you from reading the worst book to come out of the Clinton administration since- let's be fair-the last one.
But Mrs Clinton really can't be stupid. Can she? She's been to college.
But it cannot be ruled out that the First Lady is authentically dim.
Says Mrs Clinton: "Less developed nations will be our best models for the home doctoring we will then need to master."
Hillary Clinton is Someone that wants: To nationalize helthcare (if we think this is such a great idea, why do we complain about medicare?)
Why does, almost, everyone in the world come to the United States for health care when they have “National Health Care” in their own countries?
Hillary Clinton is Someone that wants: to aquire the FBI files of MORE THAN 900 republicans.
Isn’t it amazing what winds up in the closet?
Hillary Clinton is Someone that wants: The taxpayers to pay their morgtage.
The NY house is the first time a taxpayer hasn't paid the Clinton's rent in a long loooong time.
Oops, my bad we are paying their rent. Seems they charge the Secret Service to rent an occupancy on the Clinton Estate that--and I'm sure this is a coincidence--is the exact amount of the payment on that estate...
Look closely at George Bush. He may not be any more than he seems, but I’ll take that over what I see when I look at Hillary Clinton any day.
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