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Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism and the Spread of Sunni Theofascism
Global Politician ^ | October 22, 2007 | Amb. Curtin Winsor

Posted on 11/14/2007 3:38:07 PM PST by ddtorquee

The United States has largely eliminated the infrastructure and operational leadership of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network over the past five years. However, its ideological offspring continue to proliferate across the globe.

American efforts to combat this contagion are hamstrung by the fact that its ideological and financial epicenter is Saudi Arabia, where an ostensibly pro-Western royal family governs through a centuries-old alliance with the fanatical Wahhabi Islamic sect. In addition to indoctrinating its own citizens with this extremist creed, the Saudi government has lavishly financed the propagation of Wahhabism throughout the world, sweeping away moderate interpretations of Islam even within the borders of the United States itself.

The Bush administration has done little to halt this ideological onslaught beyond quietly (and unsuccessfully) urging the Saudi royal family to desist. This lack of resolve is rooted in American dependence on Saudi oil production, fears of instability in the kingdom, wishful thinking about democracy promotion as an antidote to religious extremism, and preoccupation with confronting Iran.

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TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: islam; oil; saudiarabia; wahhabism

1 posted on 11/14/2007 3:38:08 PM PST by ddtorquee
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To: ddtorquee; Salem; 444Flyer; Esther Ruth; Cindy; Travis McGee; blam; Diogenesis; Yehuda; dennisw; ...
The Bush administration has done little to halt this ideological onslaught beyond quietly (and unsuccessfully) urging the Saudi royal family to desist. This lack of resolve is rooted in American dependence on Saudi oil production, fears of instability in the kingdom, wishful thinking about democracy promotion as an antidote to religious extremism, and preoccupation with confronting Iran.

Bingo. Democracy is never going to replace fundamental islam, which combined with some Arabian hostility (not every Arab person of course) towards Israel provides the powder keg of the Middle East. The Saudis, home to islam, see themselves as destined to spread mad mo's message around the world. And they have the money to do it and being the home to Mecca and Medina, will never cease and desist. Not too encouraging but them's the plain facts of the situation.

And then there's Jerusalem. Can't solve the problem and make both sides happy. Well, one guy will, for a little space (Daniel 8:25).
2 posted on 11/14/2007 3:48:05 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: ddtorquee

the Spread of Sunni Theofascism ^

got to say one thing, this war on terror has surely added a couple new pages to the Webster Dictionary


3 posted on 11/14/2007 3:52:05 PM PST by sure_fine ( " not one to over kill the thought process " )
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To: ddtorquee

If the title “Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism and the Spread of Sunni Theofascism” had been written in the most factually correct form, the entire text of the article would have been redundant, because the title, correctly, would have said:

Saudi Arabia + Wahhabism = spread of Sunni Theofascism.


4 posted on 11/14/2007 3:53:14 PM PST by Wuli
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To: ddtorquee

Scoundrels.


5 posted on 11/14/2007 3:53:29 PM PST by period end of story (I may be totally wrong, but I'm a dancing fool.)
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To: ddtorquee

This article is about things this administration does not want to talk about. Heck, most Americans don’t want to talk about this.


6 posted on 11/14/2007 3:54:30 PM PST by Romneyfor President2008
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To: F15Eagle
I always though we shoulda taken out Saudi Arabia instead of Iraq.
The problem is the theology of the Wahabbis. Their money comes from the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia, their cannon fodder from the general population Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, etc. Their forward operating bases are mosques and madrissas. We need to treat as what they are - enemy infiltrators and destroy the source of the problem.
7 posted on 11/14/2007 3:56:16 PM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: F15Eagle
...being the home to Mecca and Medina...

And the Shiites don't like that fact, and want them back in their possession.

8 posted on 11/14/2007 3:57:44 PM PST by period end of story (I may be totally wrong, but I'm a dancing fool.)
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To: Romneyfor President2008
Heck, most Americans don’t want to talk about this.

I don't. This was extremely unsettling read.

9 posted on 11/14/2007 4:30:05 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Little Ray
I always though we shoulda taken out Saudi Arabia instead of Iraq.

It wouldn't have been pretty but it would have been more accurate. Of course, at the time, I was so ticked off at Saudi Arabia after 9/11 I suggested we let Saddam have them like he wanted at one time. Just pack up the base and leave, which we did anyways.
10 posted on 11/14/2007 4:44:59 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: period end of story

It would be interesting to see Iran try Saudi Arabia. Which they must think is possible because the U.S.A. authorized more weapons for Saudi Arabia this year.


11 posted on 11/14/2007 4:46:14 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: Little Ray
I think the administration put the Mid East into two columns: Those countries that would become better with a regime change and those which would become worse. Even though they are bad right now, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are solidly in the second column of becoming worse if their governments are overthrown.
12 posted on 11/14/2007 4:46:26 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Government is the hired help - not the boss. When politicians forget that they must be fired.)
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To: F15Eagle

Had I understood Islamic fascism, its variants, its growth, its multiple organizational proponents and its core foundational element in the various Islamic terror groups, in 1990, I would have preferred to see us, at that time, first allow Saddam to have his way with Saudi Arabia (which some say was his goal) and only afterwards, after the heart of Arabia was his, then gone after him. (in my dreams)


13 posted on 11/14/2007 4:54:02 PM PST by Wuli
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To: KarlInOhio
Dunno if I’d classify Saudi Arabia that way.
Al Qaeda and the Taliban need money and recruits - these come through Saudi Arabia and their bases(”mosques” and “madrissas”). I think President Bush and the State Department are too friendly with the Saudis to do what needs to be done.
In the case of Saudi Arabia, I think we ought to go back to imperialism - kill the royal family, run the surviving Arabs back into the desert, and pump the oil for ourselves. Anybody complains, we’ll cut ‘em a deal on the oil. Or cut it off altogether.
Dunno what we could do with Mecca. I figure we could give it to Disney to make sure the pilgrims have a really fulfilling pilgimage...
14 posted on 11/14/2007 4:55:49 PM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: Wuli

Yep he tried. Of course he tried to get Israel into it, hoping to turn it into another Arab-Israeli war. The Israelis were prepared to nuke him on any gas or bio weapon.

Hence, all of the (approx.) 36 SCUD’s that fell on Israel were conventionally-armed. Or if there was any other, they kept it a big secret.

He did kill many American reservists with a SCUD hit in Riyadh, IIRC.


15 posted on 11/14/2007 5:43:19 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: Wuli

If you haven’t already seen “Jihad in America - Terrorists Among Us” it details some jihad fundraising activity right here in the U.S.A. from about 1988-1994 or so.

Now it’s on DVD on Amazon.Com.

And another FReeper recommended “Path to Paradise” a couple years ago. Also on Amazon.Com and an excellent overview (drama) of the 1993 WTC attack.


16 posted on 11/14/2007 5:46:39 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: ddtorquee

Islam is incompatible with democracy. As soon as they vote in the mullahs and sharia, democracy is dead.


17 posted on 11/14/2007 5:53:34 PM PST by kalee
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To: F15Eagle

Yes, all of what you offered would have been most helpful - in my view - in 1990, before we went and saved the Saudis from Saddam. That was my point - the state of our knowledge, myself in particular from my point of view, in 1990 not today.


18 posted on 11/14/2007 6:22:20 PM PST by Wuli
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To: ddtorquee

The Israelis managed to halt an onslaught of attacks against them through the use of targeted assassination. There is no reason why we should not do the same.

That is, we currently target the terrorists, but so far, to a great extent, we have ignored the instigators and the financiers.

Now, I am *not* saying that we should do it the same way as the Israelis, with overt military attacks. We should still kill many such people, but “make it look like an accident”, or even better, make it look like natural causes.

Worldwide, there are probably fewer than 2,000 such instigators and financiers encouraging and supporting terrorists, and being instrumental in their recruitment and training and propaganda efforts. If we could exterminate the majority of those 2,000, only a tiny number would be replaced with individuals as effective.

But an epidemic of heart attacks, strokes, fatal slip and fall accidents, car crashes, undiagnosed illnesses, drug and alcohol abuse, and obvious homicide implicating one of their brethren, would severely impact them across the board.

There are also a large number of indeterminate individuals, who may play such an indirect role that exterminating them would be problematic.

So as an alternative, I propose we brainwash them. Yes, and not said in jest, either. Perhaps with a tiny cochleal implant to refresh their programming, with practice, in 48 to 72 hours, we might convince a firebrand cleric to instead preach peace, non-violence and democracy.

How would such brainwashing harm either them or their followers? The path of peace is superior, if at all possible, to violence, death and war. So perhaps it will save his soul, in addition to saving the lives of his followers.


19 posted on 11/14/2007 6:52:56 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: F15Eagle

“Yep he tried.”

In my “memory by osmosis” from all the books and papers on the WOT I have read these past few years, (1) we and the Saudis believed that Saddam actually had the tiny Gulf States and the Saudis in his sites and (2)because of that belief and only because of that belief we were able to park our forces in the Saudi kingdom. Others have questioned if we would have been able to build the coalition otherwise. One could therefore say from all that, that the actual strategic goal was not “saving Kuwait” as it was “not having to save” the Saudis.

Some say: “Yes, yes”, but Saddam then would gave gotten the Saudi oil. My answer is: “yea, so what, for how long?”


20 posted on 11/14/2007 6:58:06 PM PST by Wuli
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To: ddtorquee

This is an excellent article.


21 posted on 11/14/2007 7:04:55 PM PST by devere
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To: ddtorquee

Ah, our dear friends again. If it weren’t for their massive oil reserves, the Saudis would just be a bunch of sand rats stuck in the stone age. Instead they’re filthy rich and actually have an influence on world politics. Y’know, maybe we should’ve let Saddam have them and then bombed him—kill two birds with one stone.


22 posted on 11/14/2007 7:29:25 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: ddtorquee
Rosie O’Donald must have made up this new word...Theofascism. It attempts to tie all religions to OBL’s terroristic political movement. It’s BS.

The Pope doesn’t have an army any longer and the Buddhists don’t fight anyone.

23 posted on 11/15/2007 3:22:33 AM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: G8 Diplomat

Perhaps the best solution is to just take all American influence and knowledge out of Saudi Arabia and see how long the Royal family survives. With respect to the absurd price of oil, just tie it to commodity prices, for example, one bushel of corn for one barrel of oil.


24 posted on 11/15/2007 4:03:56 AM PST by Machavelli (True God)
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To: ddtorquee

bump


25 posted on 11/15/2007 9:30:18 AM PST by ddtorquee
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To: Machavelli

Aside from that not happening, Saudis wouldn’t miss the USA all that much.


26 posted on 11/15/2007 9:33:28 AM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: ddtorquee

bump


27 posted on 11/20/2007 8:55:46 AM PST by ddtorquee
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