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No One Here Gets Out Alive
Los Angeles City Beat ^ | 11/8/2007 | ANNETTE STARK

Posted on 11/14/2007 4:22:08 PM PST by Altura Ct.

The Mexican Mafia’s racial cleansing campaign targets L.A.

In the words of the Rev, K.W. Tulloss, “the nightmare has come true.” Federal indictments unsealed on October 16 allege that leaders of the Florenza 13 (F 13s) gang acted on orders from the Mexican Mafia to cleanse their neighborhoods of African-American gang and non-gang members. “The most disturbing aspect is that gang members allegedly engaged in a series of attacks … that extended to innocent citizens who ended up being shot simply because of the color of their skin,” said U.S. Attorney Thomas P. O’Brien.

The news was a bitter pill to black and Latino activists who struggled all year to get law enforcement and city leaders to admit that the rash of racially motivated killings and attacks against African-Americans and their Latino supporters is part of a larger and chilling plot – a highly organized effort by the Mexican Mafia (La Eme) to cleanse the many neighborhoods they control of their black population.

While law enforcement and prosecutors had previously admitted some Latino gangs engaged in racial attacks on innocent citizens, the Justice Department disclosures about the Mexican Mafia – known for its racist agenda against prison blacks as well as its collaboration with the white supremacist Aryan Brotherhood – represented the first time that law enforcement publicly stated such a strong connection.

"I was relieved this information finally surfaced because we’ve been trying to bring it to light for a long time and some individuals are saying we’re exaggerating,” Tuloss says. His mother recently moved from Harbor Gateway after 10 years because the hate-crime murder of 14-year-old Cheryl Green by the Latino gang, the 204s, made her worry that her African-American teenaged son – Tulloss’s brother – would be next. “But I’m furious that elected officials haven’t come together. The victims’ parents are furious. Those who have lost their children to hate crimes are furious.”

“How much innocent blood must be spilled before we do something?” It is a message Tulloss feels activists had made loud and clear since the January 2007 press conference organized by Project Islamic Hope’s Najee Ali in the aftermath of Cheryl Green’s murder. Joining him were members of the Mothers of Murdered Children, Tulloss (who is president of National Action Network, L.A. chapter), and Los Angeles Humanity Advocacy Group’s Melvin Snell.

Activists insisted that the Green murder in Harbor Gateway (where we learned that Latino gangs had forbidden blacks to cross the street) and hate-crime murders and attacks on blacks in Highland Park, weren’t random racial attacks. Rather, these show to them that the Mexican Mafia is moving on an agenda that forces African Americans living in Southern California areas under Mexican Mafia Control to leave or be killed.

In light of this, Snell, argue, LAPD’s gang strategy was like “putting a Band-Aid on cancer.”

Criminal attorney Anthony Willoughby, who has defended members of the Mexican Mafia, said that city leaders need to loudly condemn the racial killings and bring in the FBI, advice he gave L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa during the mayoral election. “The silence by elected officials has been deafening.” He repeats it now, adding, “There are major problems from Riverside all the way to L.A. The silence is an indictment of the black elected officials because they have sold their souls.”

To Luisa Prudhomme, the Justice Department hasn’t said anything she didn’t already know. Obsessed with the search for the Avenues gang shooter who murdered her African-American son Anthony in 2000, Prudhomme compiled an impressive roster of law enforcement officials who told her that the Mexican Mafia directed the racially motivated killing of Anthony, as well as homicides and attacks on other blacks in Highland Park. And yet, none of the law enforcement officials Prudhomme directed this reporter to call back in March would go on the record about the Mexican Mafia’s role in the Highland Park murders, including FBI agent Jerry Fradella, whom Prudhomme insists drew that connection for her. CityBeat contacted Fradella, who agreed to speak about it, pending approval by FBI press agent Laura Eimiller. But Eimiller e-mailed that Fradella worked the Avenues case “from a civil rights standpoint and is not an expert on the Mexican Mafia.”

Today Prudhomme asks the same question she’s asked a lot in the last six years: “Where’s the outrage?” Certainly there’s enough to go around. The arrests of the F 13s, the 2007 indictments of the Columbia Lil Cycos (a subset of the 18th Street Gang) and the “Coachella Eme” provide chilling details of the Mexican Mafia’s escalating grip on the Southern California streets. Taken together, the indictments, as well as an affidavit by an FBI agent unsealed last month, offer troublesome proof of the connections between Latino gangs and the prisons, where incarcerated gangbangers who fail to follow Mexican Mafia orders are dealt with swiftly and violently, while those who obey are protected.

In L.A., the F 13s began targeting black gang members supposedly around a beef with a Crips subset. The LA F13s is one of the largest street gangs in L.A. County, with family members spanning generations, too. This is organized crime: Networks of shooters, gunrunners, drug dealers, legal fees paid in bags of cash. Generations tied to a gang that is potentially as powerful as the Sicilian Mafia was in the ’50s, with a racial agenda to boot.

Blacks murdered standing on street corners, or waiting for the bus. Gang members bragging that they “got another one.” There were 41 murders in Florence-Firestone in 2005. Only half of the victims were gang affiliated.

“I feel vindicated,” says Ali, who adds that he’s gotten flack all year from his Latino and African-American friends who feared this dialogue would further fuel the fires of racial hatred.

In 2006 and 2007, The Southern Poverty Law Center website offered articles about ethnic cleansing and the Mexican Mafia by Brentin Mock, including one by Tony Rafael, a writer who has been tracking the Mexican Mafia for nearly a decade. The dialogue deteriorated into fodder for right-wing extremists. Black minuteman organizer Ted Hayes seized on “ethnic cleansing” to rally anti-immigrant forces around a theme that “illegal aliens” were killing blacks. Mock apologized, even though both of his articles would prove to be accurate.

The under-reported story The extent of this organized racial hatred is difficult to comprehend, much less report, and maybe no writer knows this better than Tony Rafael, who insists that he had the story years ago. To get out the word, he ended up establishing a blog, In the Hat, and writing The Mexican Mafia, published in August by Encounter books.

Rafael will not use his real name, nor will he disclose where he lives or works, claiming that he has received threats. He will say that he was born in New York, where he saw his first Mafia hit when he was 11. “I was sitting on my stoop waiting for my friends going to the beach,” he recalls. “A car pulled up outside the luncheonette, a guy gets out, goes in, tells the guy behind the counter to get out of the way. He gets the guy he was looking for, pins him to the wall, shoots and then drives off.”

He had a frame of reference and then he began covering trials and studying the differences between L.A. street gangs and the Mafia – the gang he understood as a kid. And he found that, unlike black gangs, Latino gangs have a structure. “Hispanic gangs have a hierarchy. If you are Mexican Mafia, they pay for your attorney, make sure your family is taken care of. You get proceeds from the street taxation. Sometimes the family member will act as the mouthpiece for the arrested guy. He will act as a conduit for orders from the prison.”

Such details can now be gleaned by reading the unsealed indictments against the “Coachella Eme,” charging Richard Aguirre’s mother, Jovita Aguirre, with allegedly laundering money and carrying out orders from Pelican Bay where her son, alleged Mexican Mafia kingpin Richard Aguirre, is serving a life sentence.

In many ways The Mexican Mafia is as complete a guide we’ve gotten yet to the gang’s hierarchy, methods of amassing wealth and power, why they kill, and how members use their girlfriends and mothers to run drugs and orders from prisons. The sheer volume of information the book presents is cohesively written, and once you make peace with countless names and details, it’s a good read. However, the book is missing gang interviews; it’s so much in the mind of law enforcement that the author sometimes becomes an apologist for questionable police tactics like witness baiting, as well as the ill-fated CRASH unit, which went down in flames when citizens realized that sometimes cops can act as bad as gangs. With LAPD Chief William Bratton – who missed the Mexican Mafia connection by a mile – Rafael goes easy. “In New York he had 37,000 to deal with the situation,” Rafael says. “I mean, how big is L.A.? And all you have is 200 cops driving the streets.”

A Newsweek reporter who asked Bratton about the Mexican Mafia connection in February 2007 got this: “There were stories a couple of years back about the Mexican Mafia targeting blacks, but we could not document it anywhere.” That same month an African-American resident of Harbor Gateway recalled a visit from the 204s instructing him to stay away from the Del Amo Market on 204th Street. He called LAPD. The officers showed up but said that blacks had done the same thing to Hispanics years ago.

City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo hired former U.S. prosecutor Bruce Riordan as senior supervising attorney for anti-gang activities in November 2006. Riordan had investigated and prosecuted Mexican Mafia members; yet in March, when asked about the Mexican Mafia, he said. “I am totally unaware of [a plot]. I haven’t seen hard existence of one, or even non-courtroom evidence. I’ve never seen any soft evidence – admissible and inadmissible.”

So it’s just not obvious that law enforcement deserves a pass, here. The Mexican Mafia similarly ignores crooked corrections officers, politicians, and police that inevitably make all organized crime possible.

A self-described independent, Rafael wrote on Frontpagemag.com in 2004 that liberals are addicted to “Thug Love.” The piece offers an interesting critique of Tom Hayden’s Street Gangs, but broadly accuses the left, and specifically Hayden, of harboring “a perverse admiration for thugs.” Rafael has also lectured on the Mexican Mafia for the David Horowitz Freedom Center while they promoted “Islamofascism Awareness Week.”

In April, making the author himself the subject of controversy, Colorlines, “the National Newsmagazine on Race and Politics,” ran “The Media Gets it Wrong: L.A. Gang Violence Not ‘Ethnic Cleansing,’” broadly condemning press coverage of “ethnic cleansing” and singling out Rafael. “Average Latinos and African Americans do not have problems coexisting in L.A.,” argues Noreen McClendon, executive director of Concerned Citizens of South Central Los Angeles. “This is a fight between gang members who happen to be of a different nationality. It’s irresponsible of the media to say, “ethnic cleansing” because people inside the penitentiary receive this information and it can produce the very things we don’t want – gang members attacking people based on false reports.”

Ali disagrees. He can’t get the story out fast enough. “There are the murders of innocent African-Americans and their Latino friends and supporters, unprovoked attacks on black inmates in the jails and prisons, high school and neighborhood race wars … And it has the potential to spread into a race war if the wrong person is killed.”

Snell believes the media is either under-reporting the ethnic cleansing story, or flat out reporting it wrong. He notes a “very disappointing” March 2007 article in The Nation, “The Smog of Race War in L.A.” by Roberto Lovato. In it, Lovato accuses the media of hyping the ethnic cleansing aspect of the racial killings instead of reporting on L.A.’s “dismal racial and economic situation.”

Lovato writes: “…The hyperbolic talk of ‘ethnic cleansing’ and ‘terrorism’ sounds a dissonant chord among the actual residents of Harbor Gateway, like Green’s mother, Charlene Lovett … Lovett says that truth has become another casualty, singling out one CNN story for its agonizing inaccuracy. ‘It enrages me to see how the reporter made it into a “gang on gang” story, that Latinos are striving to be better than black people in the area … My daughter was not part of any gang.’”

I was there with a tape recorder on the day the author framed this argument. Najee Ali and Melvin Snell held a mini press conference for Lovato and myself in Lovett’s apartment. And Lovett admitted she had an issue with early media reports that her daughter was in a gang, but her greater concern, which she made perfectly clear to Lovato, was that her daughter was killed because of the color of her skin. At no time did Lovett express any contempt for the media’s reporting ethnic cleansing, despite Lovato’s several attempts to prod her with “But you’re not saying Latinos here hate blacks.”

“I am saying that,” Lovett finally blurted out. “I’m not saying it’s a problem with Latinos generally. I wouldn’t dare say that. All I’m saying is that the gangs here have let it be known that they hate black people.”

“Did the writer himself have an agenda?” asks Snell. “It’s definitely contradictory to what occurred and he quoted Charlene out of context. She expressed, like I did and Najee did, that this was about gangs specifically targeting innocent African-Americans. That was her outrage.”

On the day following her daughter’s murder, Lovett woke up to racial epithets painted on the garage across the street that Snell insists weren’t there before. Just two houses away a black man was shot in a racial attack. Within weeks, Latino gang members shot another black man while he was trying to drop off his daughters at a pajama party.

“The writer could have gotten the story if he just walked the streets in a three-block radius from where we were.”

You could argue – as these activists, and Rafael, have – that ignoring this story is also ignoring that Latinos are primary targets. “I’ve been contacted by both African American and Latino members in these communities that have been approached to pay taxes to the gangs,” Snell says. “They don’t want to go to law enforcement because they are afraid that will get back to the gangs. Suppression of this story is not the key.”

“At the end of each month, I look at the gang crimes by race,” says LAPD Detective Rick Ortiz, who is featured prominently in The Mexican Mafia for initiating the hate crime trial against the Avenues. “In an average month we’ll have 50 gang crimes. Of that, about half are gang related. With both gang on gang and non-gang murders most of the victims are Hispanic."

“This has nothing to do with the sheer number of people killing each other or the fact that more blacks kill blacks or more browns kill browns, which is either by gangs, or it’s personal,” Willoughby argues. “The issue is not when you have a beef. It’s when you attack a whole race. If white people were doing this there would be outrage. Everyone needs to get a grip, OK? Forget hurt feelings. There are people out here getting killed."

Part II

How Florencia 13 ruled the streets The chilling details from the indictments

http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=6457&IssueNum=231

Part III

Race Crimes The toll of murder and mayhem based on skin color

http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=6458&IssueNum=231


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; crime; gangs; immigration; mexicanmafia; race
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1 posted on 11/14/2007 4:22:10 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

Hmmm, I’m confused. Only whites can be racist. This article doesn’t make sense at all. It must be a racist plot on behalf of the real racists. It can’t be true. /s


2 posted on 11/14/2007 4:28:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: Altura Ct.
“How much innocent blood must be spilled before we do something?”

People who ask that question have already lost the battle. I am amazed how fast and efficiently this happened.

3 posted on 11/14/2007 4:28:55 PM PST by Crawdad (I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no class.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Welcome to libbo-land. I await the ACLU bottom suckers who are studying the best means by which to thrwart any anti-gang activities. Now, if there were a means by which we could get the gangs to target ACLU members, I’ll contribute.


4 posted on 11/14/2007 4:29:50 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Altura Ct.

and the dems still support the invasion . . . Black groups still support ‘immigrants’ that are really no immigrants at all but illegal aliens, law violaters and breakers. Can you say “Wake the F up!?” black folks. You are not being served by these Dem leaders. What is it going to take?


5 posted on 11/14/2007 4:30:43 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Altura Ct.

How many times have the open border idiots said that there isn’t a problem.
*sigh*


6 posted on 11/14/2007 4:31:09 PM PST by Darksheare (Cordite Chipmunk, the Splodent Rodent.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Quick get AL & Jessie.


7 posted on 11/14/2007 4:31:33 PM PST by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Altura Ct.

anyone in LA that has been paying any sort of attention has known about this for awhile now. It is heart breaking and a hopefully a wake up call to the black community.


8 posted on 11/14/2007 4:31:51 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Unicorn

Al and Jessie will find away to support the ‘immigrants’ and blame the white people for all of this. Hope they don’t come to LA.


9 posted on 11/14/2007 4:33:45 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: DoughtyOne

Yeah, I agree. Apparently the author was never forced to attend a PC re-education camp. An unthinkable oversight for the LA (Latino) Times.


10 posted on 11/14/2007 4:37:24 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Unicorn

Well, it wouldn’t hoit.


11 posted on 11/14/2007 4:41:33 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: rbg81

Exactly!


12 posted on 11/14/2007 4:41:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: Altura Ct.

So what’s Mexico going to do about it? This is an outrage! We have Mexican gangs carrying on ethnic cleansing against American citizens. Mexico is always making demands on us. It’s past time for them to do something about this.


13 posted on 11/14/2007 4:47:21 PM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: Unicorn

“Quick get AL & Jessie.”

Al and Jessie are sucking up to the Mexican brothers.


14 posted on 11/14/2007 4:49:03 PM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: Altura Ct.

“...‘Ethnic Cleansing,’” broadly condemning press coverage of “ethnic cleansing” and singling out Rafael. “Average Latinos and African Americans do not have problems coexisting in L.A.,” argues Noreen McClendon, executive director of Concerned Citizens of South Central Los Angeles. “This is a fight between gang members who happen to be of a different nationality. It’s irresponsible of the media to say, “ethnic cleansing” because people inside the penitentiary receive this information and it can produce the very things we don’t want – gang members attacking people based on false reports.”..”

This is about what I would expect, the media and the old LA power structure cannot come to grips with the reality of the problems, they will not, and they (TPTB) have -0- problem with a few US citizens being killed because they were black, in order to secure a permanent Majority in LA.

LA is changing Demographically no doubt about it, but make no mistakes the Le Emme fully intends to consolidate their neighborhoods and they have no left over guilt for liberals to appeal to in order to prick their consciences.

African Americans may need to realize that they are going to be pushed further and further to the back of the pack in the Dhimmicrat power structure, in the Republicans, we would welcome them with open arms, but they just haven’t shown the ability to change that much yet.

WE made Michael Steele the head of the RNC even after he lost his MD Senate bid, they made Harold Ford the head of the DLC and no one bothered to attend his annual conference, they went to Kos Kon instead..hmmm...


15 posted on 11/14/2007 4:52:34 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: Altura Ct.

“the nightmare has come true.”

Viva diversity and multiculturalism.


16 posted on 11/14/2007 4:53:12 PM PST by 353FMG (Government is the opiate of the masses.)
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To: GOP Poet

I don’t think those two have the stones to do thta.


17 posted on 11/14/2007 4:56:18 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: DoughtyOne
Hmmm, I’m confused. Only whites can be racist. This article doesn’t make sense at all. It must be a racist plot on behalf of the real racists. It can’t be true. /s

Latinos are considered white when compiling police statistics. The illegals skew the statistics of whites committing crimes. One has to read the Hispanics name in reports to know that European whites were not the criminal. We need crime categorized by whites, blacks, and Hispanics to get a more balance view of who is committing crime.

18 posted on 11/14/2007 4:59:26 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
I don’t think those two have the stones to do thta.

Usually I would agree about their lack of stones :-). However on the point of blaming white folks and supporting criminals I know they do it as a reflex and not a thoughtful one at all that involves the use of their head. Any other time I would have to agree with you.

19 posted on 11/14/2007 5:01:26 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Altura Ct.

Its a quagmire! We need to pull out of LA!


20 posted on 11/14/2007 5:02:10 PM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: GOP Poet

“anyone in LA that has been paying any sort of attention has known about this for awhile now. It is heart breaking and a hopefully a wake up call to the black community.”

The leaders in the Black Community have been bought off Poet, and the price was cheap.

And that is sad indeed, there can be no other explanation though, one day the violence in LA will stop, not because peace has been achieved through negotiations, but because there is no one left to clear out of a neighborhood..


21 posted on 11/14/2007 5:03:24 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Yes. If all stats were broken out this way, except for just housing data the U.S. citizens overall might have a much better time seeing how extensive the invasion has been.


22 posted on 11/14/2007 5:03:44 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Altura Ct.

Interesting. Thanks for posting. Anti-life ALERT!


23 posted on 11/14/2007 5:14:30 PM PST by PGalt
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Of course we do. No doubt about it. Have you ever asked yourself why we don’t?

We both know why we don’t. We don’t want any quantification of what illegal immigration and or hispanic crime is actually costing us.

The schools don’t report out the number of illegal who are attending. The hospitals don’t make it known how many hispanics they are having to eat the bills for.

It’s essentially one great big conspiracy from top to bottom. Everyone has winked and noded, and none of them put the numbers out. In some instances they don’t even collect them.


24 posted on 11/14/2007 5:16:27 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Give em amnesty.


25 posted on 11/14/2007 5:16:37 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Altura Ct.
But I’m furious that elected officials haven’t come together.

Your anger is wasted on "elected officials" -- they're not going to do anything about it.

Law enforcement hands are probably tied, because to crack down on Hispanic gangs would involve racial profiling.

26 posted on 11/14/2007 5:19:16 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: padre35

Very sad indeed. Thanks for your post. I will never understand how they were bought off so easily for so many lives. If they were conservatives down there it would have been different that is for sure.


27 posted on 11/14/2007 5:20:10 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Altura Ct.

RIOT ACT


28 posted on 11/14/2007 5:21:19 PM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Ah hell, what’s the damned problem!

Even the Hispanic Mayor of Los Angeles and El Presidente Jorge Bush tell us these illegal aliens are only coming here to do the job Americans won’t do...

This puts a whole new light on that bullsqat...

I wonder if Jesse, Al and Calypso Louie will walk THOSE streets in protest of the racism indicated by these murders...

Crickets chirping......


29 posted on 11/14/2007 5:23:45 PM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: GOP Poet

When you don’t have much, and are “given” a little, it is human nature to protect that little that you do have especially when it doesn’t cost personally to keep it.

That is how you have incidents, and then a speech, then nothing changes.


30 posted on 11/14/2007 5:24:56 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: padre35

“It’s irresponsible of the media to say, “ethnic cleansing” “

Same old “progressive” response. It’s not the fault of the people doing the shooting, who by the way are targeting African-Americans. It’s the fault of the “news media”. If the news media would just make nicey, the problem would go away. Yeah, right.


31 posted on 11/14/2007 5:25:38 PM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: GOP Poet
However on the point of blaming white folks and supporting criminals I know they do it as a reflex and not a thoughtful one at all that involves the use of their head.

That wasn't the part that I was talking about when I said I didn't think they had the stones for it. It was this part: Hope they don’t come to LA.

I don't think they are geniuses, but I don't think they are stupid enough not to know that they would be really ultra, special, prime targets for assasination by those negro-hating Mexicans.

32 posted on 11/14/2007 5:27:32 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Unicorn

Al and Jessie would only be interested in expressing outrage from a safe distance.

There’s no way they are going to walk those mean streets.

Violence to their delicate bodies is definitely not on the agenda.


33 posted on 11/14/2007 5:29:31 PM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: Altura Ct.; HiJinx

From your link, two other articles posted:

http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=6458&IssueNum=231
(Titled “Race Crimes”)

.....and.....

http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=6459&IssueNum=231

(Titled “How Florencia 13 ruled the streets”)


34 posted on 11/14/2007 5:29:36 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: 353FMG

Well said!


35 posted on 11/14/2007 5:30:46 PM PST by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: DoughtyOne

Wasn’t there a young white couple killed in Tennessee this last year because of the color of their skin? I am comforted to know however that the killers weren’t considered racists. SARC


36 posted on 11/14/2007 5:33:04 PM PST by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: DoughtyOne
A problem easily solved. Just classify Hispanic perps as "white" and Hispanic vics as "non-white". Oh, wait....

/s?

37 posted on 11/14/2007 5:34:41 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Don’t trust anyone who can’t take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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To: All
The writer of a new book The Mexican mafia was on C-SPAN two weekends ago.

He picked up the pattern after 3 non-gang, non-drug black guys were gunned down in their own neighborhood walking home. The author reported this to the papers in LA and they all rejected the story as too radical and bad for race relation.

I recommend the book if you're interested in the subject. It includes how the MM has taken over whole cities like Cudahey, including city hall.

I remember when an attorney in the Cal AG office was dismissed for her connection to the MM. And a DMV clerk was looking up peace officer addresses and giving them to her cousin in the MM.

38 posted on 11/14/2007 5:35:54 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: Altura Ct.; HiJinx

Whoops......that was in the original post.

Sorry.....


39 posted on 11/14/2007 5:38:40 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: purpleraine

Cudahy is the proper spelling.


40 posted on 11/14/2007 5:39:19 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: Turret Gunner A20
That wasn't the part that I was talking about when I said I didn't think they had the stones for it. It was this part: Hope they don’t come to LA.

I don't think they are geniuses, but I don't think they are stupid enough not to know that they would be really ultra, special, prime targets for assasination by those negro-hating Mexicans.

Good point. Narcissist don't generally put themselves in a position to be . . . uh . . . expired. Must fully agree here.

If they did come they would probably have a press conference at the Beverly Hills Hotel and fly home (private jet--Santa Monica airport--under extensive security--let's not forget Santa Monica's latino gangs). No driving south for these boys.

41 posted on 11/14/2007 5:42:13 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: Altura Ct.

And the civil war begins...


42 posted on 11/14/2007 5:50:32 PM PST by piytar
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To: Plains Drifter

I do remember an event that met the parameters (of not being racist) that you mentioned. I don’t remember the other particulars now. That type of thing does take place often enough though, and it’s quite disconcerting.

I share your contempt for the rulings of these as non-racist in nature.


43 posted on 11/14/2007 5:55:25 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

LOL, probably already takes place. It’s a good point though.


44 posted on 11/14/2007 5:56:20 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: purpleraine
I was told by a former latino gang member back in '93 that the Mexican Mafia had control over the jails and street gangs and that they were gearing up for a race war. ( I was working with him on a film project) The plan was, first, they would target blacks and then, whites. But while they were targeting blacks they would rob and pillage whites so they would fear the latinos and use that fear to control the whites.
45 posted on 11/14/2007 5:59:16 PM PST by BossLady ("People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own soul" - Carl Jung)
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To: DoughtyOne

I believe that was how crime statistics were collected back in the 90’s. I can’t take credit for have made that up.


46 posted on 11/14/2007 6:06:33 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Donít trust anyone who canít take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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To: Cyber Liberty

“havING made that up,” goof.


47 posted on 11/14/2007 6:08:23 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Donít trust anyone who canít take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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To: Cyber Liberty

With the racial profiling that goes on these days associated with civil rights, I’d be very surprised if hispanic victims of crimes were considered whites. I am not sure, but I would also think that perps would be considered whites, but I could be wrong.

Whether you came up with the point or not, it is an important point and I appreciate you making it.

It’s dishonest, and in my opinion it’s done for a reason.


48 posted on 11/14/2007 6:12:05 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Mrs Crinton have Pay Feava. There she go now. "Ah Hsu Ahhh Hsu Ah Hsu!" Crintons worth every penny.)
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To: DoughtyOne
It's clearly dishonest when an Hispanic-on-Hispanic assault magically becomes White-on-Hispanic. That it feeds the Democrat agenda comes as no surprise. That Republicans would allow it to go on is also no surprise...

:^(

49 posted on 11/14/2007 6:30:44 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Donít trust anyone who canít take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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To: GOP Poet

Exactly...They will vote to end themselves with Hillary. Blacks haven’t a clue who their friends are.


50 posted on 11/14/2007 6:33:14 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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