Skip to comments.(vanity) Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
Posted on 11/15/2007 3:43:17 AM PST by Kevmo
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I just now heard on the radio Bill OReilly ask Ann Coulter who her favorite candidate is.
She said DUNCAN HUNTER, and Ann certainly knows who is the most conservative candidate out there.
Huck has the charisma, but not the record to back it up. Hunter has the record with ZERO charisma. Neither is going to win anything, but charisma goes a long way, which is evident by Hucks rising from the back of the pack.
***The support for Huckabee is coming from frustrated evangelicals. Dobson recently came out vigorously denying that he endorsed Huckabee, and he has been silent on Hunter. Just think if he endorsed Hunter this week.
Jill Stanek: Behind the scenes at FRC Briefing (Family Research Council)
WorldNetDaily ^ | 10/24/07 | Jill Stanek
Posted on 10/24/2007 4:11:29 PM PDT by wagglebee
Generalized outcomes of the meeting:
Most in the room supported Mike Huckabee. A few important figures supported Duncan Hunter.
“You need charisma AND the record to back it up. Rudy doesnt have both, Romney doesnt have both, Huckabee doesnt have both. Theyre all missing the record. (Actually, I think Romney is missing both charisma AND a record and Rudys charisma is questionable at best.)”
Define Charisma. Its not Charisma that is Hunters problem, its name recognition. I’m not looking to vote for someone to throw their shirt off and show me their boobs, i’m voting for someones record.
I have watched Duncan on film and live. He has a command of the facts and the issues that he is strongest in. But he plays too few of them. Watching his debates and such it is China and Immigration almost all the time, with little Iraq tossed in. Important issues yes indeed. But this is not a congressional run, and he sounds like he is running in his district not nation wide. The guys in the big show have to play to a much larger audience than the core of staunch Conservatives. There are fiscal conservatives, social conservatives and the like, plus those in the middle we have to woo. Also there are dozens of issues that concern them.
If the election was just Free Republic or for conservative of the year, Duncan could score that in a heartbeat, but we are too few in number to make that translate into a national win. We have to win over the middle, and they do not want to be preached to, they want to be sold. Duncan is a great conservative preacher, but his sales skills need refining.
Another thing, while I know he has put out statements on his web site and such on a number of issues, he has to actually play on all those issues publicly as much as possible.
Also I have said often that this is a political game and after 27 years in the house Duncan has not really stood out. It is past the time that most politicians who end up as national players have broken out. I am told it is because he "does not bow down" or "does not play politics". Well guess what, the game the left and the middle have brought us is politics, so to win it we have to be in it. Otherwise we are just those whiny folks over on the fringe arguing with the wind.
As far as evidence, it is all simple observation. Where has he been the past 27 years, why has he not gained more notoriety and where is he in the polls after a year of being in the race. Blame the press or whatever, but a politician is responsible for his own destiny as much as anyone. To try and pass it off as some conspiracy or the like does him and his efforts a disservice, because it grants a scapegoat, not a solution, which in the end is what you are after, getting it fixed and moving up to victory.
The age old question. Hunter hasnt been able to generate support. If I vote for him and am with 4% or 5% of the voters, what good does that do? Candidates with that level of support will be gone very soon and your vote will have been wasted.
***No, it would not be wasted. Your voice will not be heard if you do not speak and choose to lend your voice to another because he looks like he has a crowd. Stand strong, use your own voice and ask around to others to see if they think Hunter is a good guy. And read up what the Intrade folks have to say about both candidates. Make your choice wisely, that’s all someone should ask.
The candidates must be able to generate support, good ideas are essential, but good ideas without support do not really mean a lot. Hunters organization at the straw here was embarrassing, it was almost nonexistent. I say the organization, not the candidate.
***I think his organization reflects the current level of assets that he has been dealt. He’s playing the card he’s been dealt and he’s doing it as best he can. Thompson, on the other hand, had a poker hand with 2 pair and broke it up to go after a Straight.
His message is good, he sounds good in the debates.
***Then vote for him. It’s just you in that voting booth.
Posting on internet message boards supporting a candidate is one thing, but actually putting an organization together and getting people to vote for you is another thing entirely.
***You can help here. He needs your support and he will not squander it.
This is for everyone -
You all DO know that McCain is Pro-Life, don’t you??
Oh good grief. I’m talking about a necessary combination of charisma and a record to back it up and you respond by daydreaming about an endorsement that won’t happen and wouldn’t matter a damn if it did.
Huckabee’s support could be frustrated evangelicals, but the reason they are going for Huckabee is because he’s got a personality that draws them to him. He’s good with one-liners, says the right things, and gives very good, rousing speeches. If Hunter did any of that, he would have beaten Huckabee at Ames and would be in the running now.
It’s well beyond the point where a single person’s endorsement can save Hunter’s campaign.
$1,000 burning a hole in my pocket? Not since Ive had children :P
***Same here. Pray for me also because my job is going off line right before Christmas. This could be a tough one for the kiddies.
-Club For Growth is a treacherous Libertarian organization who wants to sell American jobs to the lowest bidder.
-National Taxpayers Union gave Hunter As before the Iraq war. Would you prefer Hunter join with the Democrats and stop funding the Iraq war? Thats what ruined Hunters record and dropped it from an A to a C, because he is part of the House Armed Services Committee, and so therefore, after 2001 he started receiving Cs.
***Thanks for this response, it’s concise and thoughtful. Bookmark for later reference.
I define charisma as the ability to captivate people into following you. If Hunter didn’t lack that ability, he would be where Huckabee is now, plain and simple.
I know you guys all know it. It’s why so many Hunter supporters resort to browbeating people.
“Only its better than Freds.
Not according to the National Taxpayer’s Union, who consistently scored Thompson higher than Hunter.”
How much higher score did Thompson score then Hunter? How exactly does the NTU calculate this stuff anyways?
^^this is jibberish^^^
Thompson(R) gets an A at +3.1 billion spending, and Bill Richardson(D) gets an F at -1.6 billion spending. Huh? Duh? This makes absolutely no sense it is jibberish. How is this stuff calculated anyways?
Hunter gets B’s when there is no war, I’m happy, lalala. See i’m smiling.
This fiscal stuff is TOO complicated and involved for me OR YOU to make a gross conclusion about any candidate other then Democrats spend much more then Republicans.
By the way, I’ve been quite clear on what I am saying. I am not advocating a ‘cult of personality’. I am CLEARLY saying that charisma PLUS A RECORD TO RUN ON are the two things that a candidate needs to be successful.
Let’s look at why Hunter doesn’t have name recognition for a second. Huckabee didn’t have any name recognition before Ames. Why wasn’t Hunter able to do the same?
I agree with you, Pistolshot, that the NRTL endorsement is a boost for Fred. I only wish they would have endorsed Hunter. Maybe they’ll realize their error ;-)
Oh God, I’m sorry to hear that Kevmo! I will add you and your family to my prayers.
Club for Growths ratings ... it is actually a mark of fiscal responsibility to acknowledge that war has cost. Every single war we have ever fought has been accomplished by revenue enhancing features
***Hey, good post, Mogambo. Thanks for the healthy dialog. If you don’t get an answer from Hunterite (I have my hands full) I’ll ask more of Hunter’s Rangers to address it.
Has anyone pinged the Hunter list? I’m busier than a 1-armed paper-hanger.