Posted on 11/15/2007 11:38:10 AM PST by curiosity
Ready? Aim. FIRE!!!
More votes on legal immigration lumped in with illegal immigration votes.
Total lie. If you want an open border candidate, just follow your heart, vote for Hillary.
Read the link I posted. All of those smears are thoroughly addressed. NumbersUSA is perpetuating a fraud.
Nonsense. show us line by line which one of freds votes reported by numbers USA is wrong. With links to your ‘proof” WHICH ONES?
Voted in 1996 to continue chain migration
Voted to strip legal reforms from 1996 bill
In 1996, removed higher fines for businesses which hire illegal aliens
Voted in favor of chain migration in 1996
Voted for a foreign worker bill with no anti-fraud measures in 2000.
Nearly doubled H-1B foreign high-tech workers in 1998
Voted to allow firms to lay off Americans to make room for foreign workers in 1998
Voted to grant amnesty to nearly one million illegal aliens from Nicaragua and Cuba in 1997
Tried to kill voluntary pilot programs for workplace verification in 1996 Sen. Thompson voted IN FAVOR of the Abraham Amendment to S.1664. He was part of a coalition of pro-business conservatives and liberal civil libertarians who tried to use the amendment to kill the establishment of voluntary pilot programs in high-immigration states.
http://profiles.numbersusa.com/improfile.php3?DistSend=TN&VIPID=743
Anyone got a quick summary of what Fred said?
I was raised in a very conversative Christian home. Went to college, changed my outlook some, and was a middle of the roader/moderate Democrat.
Was pro-choice until my nephew was born. His valiant struggle to live, everyday, rocked my world and changed my heart.
I didn't care one way or the other about guns and gun control until I got robbed. Come on over some time, and I'll be happy to show off our collection.
I was all for rich people paying more until I started really working and earning a living. All the shiftless, lazy morons complaining about not getting ahead changed my mind on "entitlements" pretty quick.
For about 4 years out of college, I tried to be "open minded" about things. Then I returned to my conservative Christian roots and have stayed that way for 16 years.
If people were to judge me on just those four years, I would have no friends at FR.
Life and experience can change people's views on the world - but I don't want someone who suddenly decide to reverse their decision just to get elected!
Heads up and careful with this thread.
Pissant posted it earlier:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926261/posts
The GOP’s Flip-Flopping Four
And he had his posting privileges revoked.
Just a public service announcement.
bump
Yes, but it's perfectly fine to call anyone who supports Duncan Hunter a racist. Real nice. Looks like this election is destined to go to the biggest Rino who can keep his actual record secret.
It’s all in ellery’s post I linked to earlier in the thread. See, this here is the INTERNET. We use these things called “hyperlinks” to cross-reference information so that we don’t have to post copies of everything everywhere. You may have heard of some of these concepts.
LOL!
You’re dodging. You said I was wrong and the votes fred made weren’t reported correctly. Prove it. Or I will.
No, I'm not. I'm providing a reference to a complete and thorough analysis of those bogus "headlines". Which was originally posted to counter your lies in the first place.
If you're too lazy to follow a link, here it is for you:
To: AuntBYou're not going to accept these answers, but here they are for the record: Voted in 1996 to continue chain migrationThe committee decided that matters of legal and illegal immigration would be handled separately, so when chain immigration amendments were introduced in the senate Thompson voted to table them per the committee agreement.
Voted to strip legal reforms from 1996 bill
Thompson voted to treat legal and illegal immigration separately.
But he voted to add or retain reforms to the bill -- including the following:
-Thompson voted against Kennedy's amendment 3816 that would have limited employers' ability to demand additional documents for employee verification (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00096)
-Thompson was one of only 20 senators to vote in favor of repealing the ban on INS agents searching open fields if they have probable cause to believe an illegal act has occured (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00080)
He also voted to keep liberal "reforms" out of the bill, including the following:
-Thompson voted against Chafee's proposal "to provide that the emergency benefits available to illegal immigrants also are made available to legal immigrants." (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00106)
-Thompson voted against Graham's amendment 3759 that would permit state and local governments to ignore federal immigration enforcement law if enforcement compliance cost more than would be saved in benefits (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00105 )
-Thompson voted against Graham's amendment 3764 that would have allowed legal immigrants who arrived before enactment of the new law to continue collecting Medicaid (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00104).
-Thompson voted against Simon's amendment 3813 that would have made it easier for legal immigrants who arrived before enactment of the new law to collect welfare (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00103).
-Thompson voted against Simon's amendment 3810 that would have made it easier for legal immigrants who became disabled after arriving in the US to collect welfare (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00102).
-Thompson voted against Leahy's amendment 3780 that would have made it harder to deport illegal immigrants who claimed persecution (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00100)
-Thompson voted against Simon's amendment 3809 that would have allowed legal immigrants to stay even if they had received some types of public assistance for a year or more (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00097)
Voted for a foreign worker bill with no anti-fraud measures in 2000.
As Committee member, produced H-1B doubling bill in 1998
Voted in committee against including worker safeguards in H-1B bill in 1998
Voted to allow firms to lay off Americans to make room for foreign workers in 1998
These are all issues of legal immigration and regulating the hiring and firing practices of private businesses -- Thompson has always been against excessive government regulation, which puts small companies out of business and tends to drive big companies offshore.
Voted to grant amnesty to nearly one million illegal aliens from Nicaragua and Cuba in 1997
Wrong. The Reagan administration, and then later the Bush administration in a class action suit (American Baptist Churches et al. v. Thornburgh) made agreements with illigal immigrants who fled our wars against communism in central and south America; these agreements laid out the conditions under which these particular illegal immigrants could apply to have their deportations suspended.
The 1996 law changed the criteria by which illegal aliens could have their deportations suspended. The Mack simply clarified that these particular illegal aliens who were subject to the class action agreements made by Reagan and HW Bush, and whose deportation cases were already in the pipeline when the new law was enacted in 1996, would have their deportation cases heard under the old rules. In other words, the amendment did not automatically grant them citizenship or allow them to stay -- all it did was cancel out a retroactive change in the agreements for those whose cases were already under consideration. Any illegal immigrants, even from these classes, whose cases were not already in the pipeline at the time of the 1996 immigration bill enactment would have to submit to the new, tougher rules.
Here is the link to the vote -- 99 senators agreed to it, including Sessions and Thompson: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=1&vote=00269
In 1996, removed higher fines for businesses which hire illegal aliens
He voted against search and seizure/"civil forfeiture" provisions being used against employers. Google "civil forfeiture" and "fourth amendment" if you're not familiar with this.
Tried to kill voluntary pilot programs for workplace verification in 1996
Wrong. He voted against sections 111-113 in the bill, which called for the president to develop a permanent system that would call for the federal government to OK all employees (including American citizens) before they can work. This came up recently with HillaryCARE, where Hillary proposed that anyone who didn't have insurance would be denied permission to work -- that's the danger of a verification system that doesn't focus solely on immigrants. The program called for pilot programs merely as a prelude to the permanent system.
That is more opinion than fact and doesn’t change the fact that Thompson never did anything while in the Senate to control illegal immigration and imported more foreign workers.
In fact, what did he do in the senate except vote for anything McCain and Abraham wanted?
LOL! It's all fact, and cross-referenced to actual votes. (Though that whole "linking" and "cross-reference" thing is apparently confusing for you.) More importantly, it's fact with context, something NumbersUSA does not provide.
Thompson never did anything while in the Senate to control illegal immigration
Never did anything? In the very post above, it shows Thompson doing quite a bit. I'll copy and paste for you, since I'm concerned that you might not understand how the scrollbar works, either.
But he voted to add or retain reforms to the bill -- including the following:-Thompson voted against Kennedy's amendment 3816 that would have limited employers' ability to demand additional documents for employee verification (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00096)
-Thompson was one of only 20 senators to vote in favor of repealing the ban on INS agents searching open fields if they have probable cause to believe an illegal act has occured (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00080)
He also voted to keep liberal "reforms" out of the bill, including the following:
-Thompson voted against Chafee's proposal "to provide that the emergency benefits available to illegal immigrants also are made available to legal immigrants." (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00106)
-Thompson voted against Graham's amendment 3759 that would permit state and local governments to ignore federal immigration enforcement law if enforcement compliance cost more than would be saved in benefits (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00105 )
-Thompson voted against Graham's amendment 3764 that would have allowed legal immigrants who arrived before enactment of the new law to continue collecting Medicaid (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00104).
-Thompson voted against Simon's amendment 3813 that would have made it easier for legal immigrants who arrived before enactment of the new law to collect welfare (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00103).
-Thompson voted against Simon's amendment 3810 that would have made it easier for legal immigrants who became disabled after arriving in the US to collect welfare (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00102).
-Thompson voted against Leahy's amendment 3780 that would have made it harder to deport illegal immigrants who claimed persecution (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00100)
-Thompson voted against Simon's amendment 3809 that would have allowed legal immigrants to stay even if they had received some types of public assistance for a year or more (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00097)
See Post #9
What makes you think I want an "open borders candidate"? The fact that I don't genuflect before an icon of Duncan Hunter every morning?
Why is it that whenever AuntB posts these bogus lists of votes, with no explanations or contexts or anything, by FDT supposedly supporting illegul immergrunts, I always feel this urge to check and make sure my wallet’s still in my back pocket?
In the present political climate, sticking to you core convictions all the time pretty much ensures you will not succeed in politics.
Any idea how long Pissant’s account has been suspended for? Because if it is for any significant length of time we should all protest profusely. For, if a poster can be banned for linking to an article in National Review by a respected conservative like Ramesh Ponnuru then there really isn’t any free speech left on Free Republic.
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