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LEGAL U.S. ONLINE POKER IN 18 MONTHS? (PPA chairman Al D'Amato optimistic about legalisation)
Online-Casinos.com News ^ | Thursday, November 15

Posted on 11/15/2007 11:53:24 AM PST by SubGeniusX

Speaking at the Global Gaming Expo in Las Vegas today (Thursday) former Senator Alfonse D'Amato, chairman of the Poker Players' Alliance pressure group, said he expects the legalisation of online poker in the United States within 18 months.

Other panelists in today's State of the Industry: Internet Gambling at the Crossroads keynote session at G2E said pending sanctions by the World Trade Organisation due to current U.S. policy on Internet gambling could be the major driver for legalisation. This is because non-gaming corporations likely to be affected by the sanctions could put pressure on Congress to make a change in its current anti-online gambling approach.

The panelists in the State of the Industry session included D'Amato; J. Terrence Lanni, chairman and CEO of MGM MIRAGE; Gary Loveman, chairman, CEO and president of Harrah's Entertainment, Inc.; and Andre Wilsenach, CEO of the Alderney Gambling Control Commission.

The panelists agreed that online poker would likely be legalised before other online casino-style games.

There was consensus among the panelists that it is possible to successfully regulate Internet gambling to prevent underage gambling and ensure player protection, but these types of protections don't currently exist across the board. With the U.S. ban on Internet gambling financial transactions keeping well-known, reputable companies out of the marketplace, the panelists expressed concern about player protection in an environment dominated by unregulated or poorly regulated sites.

"I am afraid the U.S. customer today is very exposed - there's no player protection," Andre Wilsenach said.

In fact, Wilsenach highlighted a distinct difference in the mindset of U.S. regulators and U.K. regulators when it comes to regulating Internet gambling. In the United States, he said, the concern is how an Internet gambling site will exclude players, but in the United Kingdom and other jurisdictions, the concern is how each site will handle player protection.

To provide an example of how an Internet gambling site can be responsibly run, Terry Lanni described MGM MIRAGE's experience some years ago with running a site on the Isle of Man that did not accept wagers from the United States. According to Lanni, the technology put in place for the site allowed the company to ascertain where a player lived, verify the player's age and also provide a problem gambling component.

While the technology was viable, competing with unregulated companies that did not put the same stringent screening processes in place made the project economically unfeasible, Lanni said. He emphasised, however, that the company now has experience with the technology required to keep underage gamblers from playing and is ready to "unpack" it once online gambling is legalised and regulated in the United States.

Lanni underlined the value of having established, trusted brands in the marketplace, saying that the major brands give people the comfort they want and the assurance that customers will receive their winnings. He cited a survey showing that around 70 percent of online gamblers aren't confident in the integrity of the online sites they frequent as evidence of the importance of having well-known brands in the mix.

According to Gary Loveman, Harrah's already is exploring the possibility of expanding its World Series of Poker brand by creating Internet gambling sites in countries where it is legal to do so. Both Lanni and Loveman emphasized that they have no desire to explore jurisdictions where the laws may be unclear - any work they do in the Internet gambling sector will only be done in places where the activity is clearly permissible by law.

When asked whether Internet gambling should be regulated at the state or federal level if legalised, Lanni and Loveman both supported state-level regulation. Lanni explained that the states currently are responsible for gaming regulation, and they do it very effectively. He pointed out that the federal entities that would be charged with regulating Internet gambling under legislation currently being considered in Congress aren't able to fulfill all of their current duties, and that adding this responsibility to their other burdens makes no sense.

In a question-and-answer session with attendees, the panelists were asked about the issues posed by gambling and gambling-like activities in online social applications such as Second Life. Loveman pointed out that several online applications provide users the opportunity to win a virtual asset of some kind and then turn around and sell it for real money on online auction sites. He explained that these types of transactions that commercialise intangible objects and a variety of other legal online financial transactions start to resemble online gambling in a way that makes the current ban on online gambling appear hypocritical.

G2E is a major trade event for the international gaming entertainment community, attended by more than 28 000 industry professionals from around the world. It is organised by the American Gaming Association (AGA) and Reed Exhibitions.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: gaming; nannystate; poker
Go Al Go!
1 posted on 11/15/2007 11:53:26 AM PST by SubGeniusX
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To: SubGeniusX; frogjerk

Cool, because PokerStars is really cramping my style.


2 posted on 11/15/2007 11:54:37 AM PST by GOP_Raider (Television is all Tommy Westphall's fault, damn it!)
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To: frogjerk; traviskicks; Eric Blair 2084; Gabz
Speaking at the Global Gaming Expo in Las Vegas today (Thursday) former Senator Alfonse D'Amato, chairman of the Poker Players' Alliance pressure group, said he expects the legalisation of online poker in the United States within 18 months.

PING

3 posted on 11/15/2007 11:54:38 AM PST by SubGeniusX (The People have UNENUMERATED RIGHTS ... the Govt. does NOT have UNENUMERATED POWERS)
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To: SubGeniusX

Former Senator Alfonse D’Amato?........old POTHOLE D’Amato?...........Now he’s Ace-in-the-Hole D’Amato?...........


4 posted on 11/15/2007 11:57:30 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: SubGeniusX

disgraceful.


5 posted on 11/15/2007 11:57:57 AM PST by balch3
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To: SubGeniusX
Warning: your next poker partner may be a bot
6 posted on 11/15/2007 11:58:11 AM PST by LibWhacker (Democrats are phony Americans)
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To: SubGeniusX

This is going to be interesting. Let’s say a guy comes into the poker room and manages to lose $10,000 which is backed by a credit card. The next day, he complains that his 12 year-old son had used his account. He then files a complaint against the casino for allowing a minor to gamble.

How will the casino defend itself? It really doesn’t know the identity of the player.


7 posted on 11/15/2007 12:01:57 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: SubGeniusX
Either we have a position or we don't. I think it's more the latter when it comes to the Justice Department. Just realize: Next Step - tax all internet transactions. Regardless of recently passed moratorium by Congress. Someone (Charlie Rangel?) will see another way for the government to make a buck!

Hanaway Declares Internet Gambling Legal for US Citizens to Play

http://www.casinogamblingweb.com/gambling-news/gambling-law/hanaway_declares_internet_gambling_legal_for_us_citizens_to_play_47670.html

In just hours after the House Judiciary Committee ended its hearing to determine the future course of Internet gambling media companies have already begun printing articles saying how Catherine Hanaway, an attorney for the Department of Justice and a witness at today's Hearing, has declared all Internet gambling illegal.

This, however, is in direct contrast to what we reported earlier in the day.

What actually happened at the hearing is that Ms. Hanaway contradicted herself many times. When asked if she, and the Department of Justice, considered all online gambling to be illegal, she said she believed it was. When asked if it was illegal for US citizens to gamble online, she said, no, that there are currently no federal laws that prohibit any US citizens from placing a bet online.

When prodded by a congressman on the panel about how she could consider all gambling illegal if it was legal for US citizens to play, and also how gambling could be considered illegal across the board when there are clear exceptions for horse race betting and state run lotteries, she seemed less unsure.

She was also asked why, if all Internet gambling was considered illegal by her department, there are only federal cases brought against companies who participate in the facilitation of sports betting. Again, she seemed unclear as how to respond, although she did say that BetonSports had a horse betting side of their company which they considered illegal.

Online sports betting, as pointed out several times in the hearing, is the only thing proven to be covered in the 1961 Wire Act. Hanaway simply believes that to not be true, even though a 5th Circuit court judge ruled that it did not cover any other casino games, such as poker, blackjack, or slots.

It is apparent that the media will select whatever testimony it deems appropriate to push its personal stance on this issue, as opposed to presenting the facts of the Hearing and the full testimony by all.

Stay tuned to Casino Gambling Web for further analysis of today's extensive hearing on the future of Internet gambling.

November 14, 2007
Posted By Terry Goodwin
Staff Editor, CasinoGamblingWeb.com 

8 posted on 11/15/2007 12:02:21 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: balch3

why? care to elaborate?

or was that just a hit and run post


9 posted on 11/15/2007 12:04:53 PM PST by SubGeniusX (The People have UNENUMERATED RIGHTS ... the Govt. does NOT have UNENUMERATED POWERS)
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To: SubGeniusX

Bump


10 posted on 11/15/2007 12:07:21 PM PST by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: SubGeniusX

I’m living in Europe for the time being. Have about 8 online poker accounts. Favorite is Titan Poker. Party’s over when I go home next year.


11 posted on 11/15/2007 12:18:20 PM PST by Dagnabitt
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To: Dagnabitt

Not really... still plenty of ways to play ..

Partypoker, FullTilt, AbsolutePoker(trust issues there), Oddsmaker and many others ... all that is needed is an ePassporte, or a PayTru account .. among others...


12 posted on 11/15/2007 12:38:06 PM PST by SubGeniusX (The People have UNENUMERATED RIGHTS ... the Govt. does NOT have UNENUMERATED POWERS)
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To: balch3
disgraceful.*

Are you saying that the legalization of online poker in the US would be disgraceful?

because if you are, how does that fit in with what you say in THIS POST on another thread...
"If I work hard and achieve, I should be able to spend my money on whatever I want to..."

or do you mean, people can only spend their money on things YOU morally agree with?



*nice hit and run post...

13 posted on 11/15/2007 12:51:02 PM PST by SubGeniusX (The People have UNENUMERATED RIGHTS ... the Govt. does NOT have UNENUMERATED POWERS)
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To: AppyPappy
How will the casino defend itself?

Did you leave your account logged on?
If so it's your fault.

Did you give your 12 year old son your password?
If so it's your fault.

We know of no other way your sone could have accessed your account.

14 posted on 11/15/2007 12:59:32 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe

Hold on. It’s against the law for a casino to allow a minor to gamble. They are liable if a 12 year-old gambles. It is the casino’s responsibility to verify the age of the players.

That’s why you minors can’t buy alcohol on the internet. They verify age.


15 posted on 11/15/2007 1:09:28 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
I can buy alcohol on the internet. Sure they verify my age. But if I set up an account with them then I can buy on that account without any age verification after the first time.

It's the online casino's duty to verify age when they sign up for an account, not to verify age each time they sign on to the account.

16 posted on 11/15/2007 1:16:58 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe
I can buy alcohol on the internet. Sure they verify my age. But if I set up an account with them then I can buy on that account without any age verification after the first time

No you can't. They check your ID when you receive the product.

17 posted on 11/15/2007 1:30:50 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
Who does? Fed-Ex?

Fed-Ex doesn't check my ID.

18 posted on 11/15/2007 1:48:38 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: AppyPappy

Let’s see how quickly credit card companies insert a new rule regarding credit card gambling charges.


19 posted on 11/15/2007 1:52:26 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: SubGeniusX

I really like the idea of a bunch of Americans playin’ poker in the underwear betting away all US taxdollars to some teenager in Holland. Great idea. Smart, too.


20 posted on 11/15/2007 1:57:53 PM PST by petitfour
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To: SubGeniusX

Oh, this one is ripe for abuse. One might just hand over the keys to everything they own.

Remember the odds are in favor of the house 365 days a year.


21 posted on 11/15/2007 2:17:32 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

“Let’s see how quickly credit card companies insert a new rule regarding credit card gambling charges.”

Why haven’t they already done this in countries like the UK, where it is perfectly legal to gamble online?


22 posted on 11/15/2007 2:18:06 PM PST by UKTory
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To: freekitty

In poker you don’t play against the house ...

that’s why it’s more a game of skill than chance...

the house takes a small % of each pot they have no intrest in the winner or loser of the hand.


23 posted on 11/15/2007 2:57:47 PM PST by SubGeniusX (The People have UNENUMERATED RIGHTS ... the Govt. does NOT have UNENUMERATED POWERS)
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To: SubGeniusX

I know; but the odds are still in favor of whose running the game.


24 posted on 11/15/2007 3:32:03 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: balch3

Do you think alcohol should be illegal?


25 posted on 11/15/2007 4:16:42 PM PST by Borges
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To: SubGeniusX; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ..
"..expects the legalisation of online poker in the United States within 18 months."



Libertarian ping! To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
26 posted on 11/15/2007 6:32:49 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: traviskicks

But what about the chilruns????


27 posted on 11/15/2007 7:16:41 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: SubGeniusX
the house takes a small % of each pot they have no intrest in the winner or loser of the hand.

Sorry to deflate your balloon, but casinos still employ shills, I know some personally, they are to keep the game going. As long as you are there they continue their rake.

You watch these new automated poker tables closely, they will attempt to keep the loose players in with a win occasionally just to keep the rake coming in.

Computers can be programmed to do anything the house wants, so can on line games. Ever wonder if you are playing a real person online? You could be playing a bunch of guys in one room or even a robot programmed to study your play and react accordingly.

In the old days we just had card mechanics and rigged decks.

28 posted on 11/16/2007 12:05:06 AM PST by itsahoot (Gingrich: "We don't have a peace process. We have a surrender process." (Duncan Hunter gets it.))
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To: itsahoot
Sorry to deflate your balloon, but casinos still employ shills, I know some personally, they are to keep the game going. As long as you are there they continue their rake.

A "prop player" is not a shill and they do not increase the "House Advantage" at the table ... as you stated they keep the Rake going by keeping the player active ...

prop Players are also playing with their own money not thyer houses ... most prop players in vegas do make a wage of only about $8 an hour ... the wins or losses at the table are their money and their own bank ...

The use of "Props" in no way affects player odds ..

29 posted on 11/16/2007 4:56:18 AM PST by SubGeniusX (The People have UNENUMERATED RIGHTS ... the Govt. does NOT have UNENUMERATED POWERS)
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To: SubGeniusX
The use of "Props" in no way affects player odds .

Never said it did, only that it is in their best interest to keep the players at the table, and your prop players are underpaid.

Computerized gaming changes the whole game, delude yourself if you want, cheaters always find a way, for the house it is a win win all they have to do is keep you renting that seat.

By the way I play in a real casino with real dealers, almost every day, when they install automated tables, I will quit the game.

30 posted on 11/16/2007 11:23:24 AM PST by itsahoot (Gingrich: "We don't have a peace process. We have a surrender process." (Duncan Hunter gets it.))
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