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Russia sect holes up in cave to await end of world (threatening to blow themselves up)
Reuters (U.K.) ^ | November 15, 2007 | Tatyana Ustinova

Posted on 11/15/2007 3:11:23 PM PST by Stoat

Russia sect holes up in cave to await end of world

Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:53am GMT
 

 
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By Tatyana Ustinova

MOSCOW (Reuters) - At least 30 members of a Russian doomsday cult have barricaded themselves in a remote cave to await the end of the world and are threatening to commit suicide if police intervene, officials and media said on Thursday.

"They have covered the entrance and refuse to come out and are threatening to blow themselves up," an official in the local prosecutor's office told Reuters by telephone. "They threaten to detonate a gas tank and blow themselves up."

The cult members, who include 29 adults and four children, are hidden inside a snow-covered hillside in the Penza region of central Russia. A Penza police spokeswoman said they had moved into the dug-out on November 7.

"No one wants to take on the responsibility of provoking them ... because our information is that there are children among them," said the official.

They are thought to have taken food and fuel supplies in with them and Russian television pictures from the scene showed smoke or steam coming out of a hole in the snow-covered ravine where it was built.

A police patrol was guarding the area to prevent anyone provoking them.

"They are simple Christians," a local priest, Father Georgy, told NTV television station. "They say: 'The church is doing a bad job, the end of the world is coming soon and we are all saving ourselves'."

Media reports said the cult members believed the world would end sometime in May next year. Police expected them to emerge when their supplies ran out.

 

After decades of state-enforced atheism under Soviet rule, many Russians and other ex-Soviet nationals have come under the influence of home-grown and foreign sects.

Many Russians have refused new passports and taxpayers' personal identification numbers, saying the figures contained "satanic" combinations of numbers.

Izvestia newspaper said the leader of the cult, Pyotr Kuznetsov, had been detained by police. It said he was a 43-year-old who had been diagnosed with schizophrenia and that in the last few months he had been sleeping in a coffin.

Police took Kuznetsov to the cave to persuade his followers to come out but without success, said the newspaper.

(Reporting by Tatyana Ustinova; writing by Dmitry Solovyov; editing by Philippa Fletcher)



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: cult; doomsday; doomsdaycult; endoftheworld; endofworld; kuznetsov; nikolskoye; penza; poganovka; russia

Policemen stand guard on the hillside where cult members are hidden inside a snow-covered cave

The prayer hall in the Russian village of Nikolskoye where members of the doomsday sect met until their disappearance at the end of last month
The prayer hall in the Russian village of Nikolskoye where members of the doomsday sect met until their disappearance at the end of last month. Photograph: Komsomolskaya Pravda

1 posted on 11/15/2007 3:11:25 PM PST by Stoat
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To: Stoat
barricaded themselves in a remote cave to await the end of the world

Good a place as any. Wonder if Al Gore might join them?

2 posted on 11/15/2007 3:13:05 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Stoat

Save the scrolls if possible!


3 posted on 11/15/2007 3:15:19 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Graybeard58
barricaded themselves in a remote cave to await the end of the world

Good a place as any. Wonder if Al Gore might join them?
 

I doubt that he could stand to be away from his huge mansions or giant private jet for more than a few hours.


4 posted on 11/15/2007 3:15:30 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Does Guinness book of world records have a category for mass human cannonball?


5 posted on 11/15/2007 3:15:35 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Graybeard58

Al Gore would try to fill the cave with molten lead. Or else, drop some wood into a river to divert it into the cave.


6 posted on 11/15/2007 3:16:09 PM PST by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: Stoat
hidden inside a snow-covered hillside in the Penza region of central Russia.

This is already the middle of Nowhere. Now they are holed up in a cave in the middle of Nowhere. If Doomsday happens, when would they find out about it? Never?

7 posted on 11/15/2007 3:18:48 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Stoat

The police shouldn’t intervene - I mean, what for, if the world is going to end?


8 posted on 11/15/2007 3:20:34 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Stoat
"Many Russians have refused new passports and taxpayers' personal identification numbers, saying the figures contained "satanic" combinations of numbers."

Well, they're right about that!

9 posted on 11/15/2007 3:23:04 PM PST by Romneyfor President2008
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To: Graybeard58
hidden inside a snow-covered hillside

Algore needs to send some global warming to these poor people.

10 posted on 11/15/2007 3:25:31 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Graybeard58
I say just leave them alone. In fact, more people should hole them selves up in a cave.
11 posted on 11/15/2007 3:30:12 PM PST by chaos_5 (Fred & Hunter '08)
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To: chaos_5; Billthedrill; All
I say just leave them alone.

I agree, although my guess is that in a few hours we'll be hearing about a "Geraldo!  Special Report", beamed live and direct from inside the cave.

Shortly thereafter there will be reports of a massive explosion in Penza, which occurs after the sect members have an opportunity to speak with Geraldo and realize that the end of the world has indeed come.

13 posted on 11/15/2007 4:04:24 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
It'd be kinda cool to set off a big bomb nearby and make them think that the world had just ended. Build a big set outside the cave and let those guys who do the Japanese game shows loose on them.

You want reality TV, I gotcher reality TV rahtcheer...

14 posted on 11/15/2007 4:11:22 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

LMAO

Why can’t it ever be leftwing moonbats who do this kind of stuff? They won’t even leave the country when they say they will, much less blow themselves up.

I guess that when politics and a seething hatred of America “is” your religion, dying doesn’t serve any purpose.


15 posted on 11/15/2007 4:19:50 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Billthedrill

I like the bomb idea. My grandmother used to go into the cellar whenever a serious cloud appeared on the horizon, she worried a lot about tornados. We kept her down there most of an afternoon one time by throwing rocks at the door. We caught some serious grief from my dad when we were discovered, but worth it from my current perspective.


16 posted on 11/15/2007 4:32:01 PM PST by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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To: tickmeister

Note to self.

NEVER NEVER sleep in a coffin.


17 posted on 11/15/2007 4:44:39 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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UPDATE:

Sect Waiting Out Doomsday in Penza Cave

The Moscow Times  
Friday, November 16, 2007 / Updated Moscow Time  

News

Thursday, November 15, 2007. Issue 3786. Page 1.
Sect Waiting Out Doomsday in Penza Cave

Twenty-nine members of a religious doomsday sect, including a 16-month-old baby, are hiding in a snow-covered cave in the Penza region, refusing to come out as they wait for the end of the world next May, prosecutors said Wednesday.

The sect members, who liken tax identification numbers to the apocalyptic sign of the beast, are threatening to blow themselves up if authorities storm the cave, located near the village of Nikolskoye, 100 kilometers southeast of Penza, regional prosecutor's office spokeswoman Tatyana Ostrovskaya said by telephone.

The leader of the sect was not in the cave, national media reported.

Steam could be seen rising from a hole in thick snow in footage shown Wednesday on NTV television. Police are guarding the cave to prevent anyone else from joining them, Ostrovskaya said.

Authorities estimate that the zealots have been in the cave for two weeks, prompting concerns for the health of the four children hiding out. Attempts to coax them out of the cave or at least to release the children have been unsuccessful as the sect members have taken a vow of silence, Ostrovskaya said.

"They are ordinary Christians," Father Georgy, a local priest, told NTV while standing near the cave. "They just don't accept [tax identification numbers] and passports. They say the church did this and that wrong and that the end of the world is near."

 

Gunshots were fired into the air from the cave when Father Georgy and police tried to approach, NTV reported.

The government and the Russian Orthodox Church have complained repeatedly about the rise of sects since the fall of the Soviet Union. The opening of the Iron Curtain provided a hospitable climate for religious movements such as the Moonies and the Scientologists.

The messianic Japanese cult Aum Shinrikyo, which released anthrax in Tokyo in 1993 and Sarin gas on the Tokyo subway in 1995, recruited hundreds of people across Russia and sought to acquire various weapons in Russia. The cult actively recruited top Russian scientists and technical experts in order to develop weapons of mass destruction, according to a 1995 U.S. Senate report.

A former traffic cop who claims he is Jesus is the spiritual leader of some 5,000 disciples in Siberia.

The sect members in the Penza cave are followers of 43-year-old Pyotr Kuznetsov, who moved to Nikolskoye last year claiming to head up the true Russian Orthodox Church, said Alevtina Volchkova, chief prosecutor of the region's Bekovsky district, where the village is located, the Regnum news agency reported.

"They say the current Russian Orthodox Church is commercialized," Volchkova was quoted as saying. "The church has its own tax code and carries out commercial activities, so [the sect claims to] represent the real Russian Orthodox Church."

Dozens of people from across the nation and from former Soviet republics came to the village to join the group, Ostrovskaya said.

"They came, they came, they came," elderly Nikolskoye resident Galina Chepurnova told Rossia television Wednesday. "They sang, they sang, they sang."

Last year the group built a prayer house in Nikolskoye, and several months ago members began preparing the cave 500 meters outside the village, national media reported. Members began storing enough petrol, kerosene and food to last until May, and before moving in, they expanded the cave and reinforced the roof, she said.

"Their leader -- or Father Pyotr, as they call him -- says their supplies include a half a ton of honey and a lot of jam," Volchkova told Regnum.

Followers did not work, children in the sect were not allowed to go to school, and members were banned from speaking to their relatives, NTV reported.

When the group disappeared from the area, "we thought they had gone away. But it seems they didn't," Volchkova said in televised comments.

Prosecutors have opened a criminal investigation in connection with the formation of an illegal sect, a crime punishable by up to three years in prison.

The hideaway was only discovered when the daughter of one of the sect members turned up in Nikolskoye, and Kuznetsov -- who did not go into the cave himself -- squealed under pressure from investigators, Izvestia reported Wednesday.

"He said they should not be disturbed, that they are chosen ones and nobody else is allowed to get in the cave," a law enforcement source told Izvestia.

Kuznetsov's whereabouts were unknown as of Wednesday, NTV reported.

Archbishop Filaret of the Penza and Kuznetsk dioceses said in a statement published on the regional government's web site that he was "deeply grieved" to hear that "a group of people who are outside the church of God ... are preparing themselves for the second coming of Christ."

Ostrovskaya refused to say if there was any plan to storm the cave, and the Interior Ministry's Penza region branch referred all questions to prosecutors.

 

 

18 posted on 11/15/2007 4:51:34 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
"They have covered the entrance and refuse to come out and are threatening to blow themselves up,"

"Three shall be the number of the counting, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor shalt count thou two, unless thou then precedest immediately to three. Five is right out."

19 posted on 11/15/2007 4:54:58 PM PST by P.O.E.
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To: cripplecreek
"Does Guinness book of world records have a category for mass human cannonball?"

You are wierd! But my visual imagination is making me chuckle, anyway...

'-)

20 posted on 11/15/2007 4:55:25 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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RussiaToday Features Russian cult goes underground to await apocalypse
Almost 30 Russians from the Penza region have decided to live underground because they believe the end of the world is nigh. They are all members of a cult called the True Russian Orthodox Church.

The cult members say the world will come to an end in six months time.

The authorities have tried to evict them from the caves they're living in, but the group members say they'll burn themselves alive rather than allow that to happen.

Undaunted, the local authorities are trying legal means. They've issued warrants against the cult saying they are living in their caves without the proper legal documents.

“These people have caught the attention of law-enforcement authorities when they began living without passports. Police checked all of them and prepared all the necessary documents. That was going on during September and October. After that they disappeared and we thought they just moved. But it turns out they didn't,” says prosecutor Valentina Volchkova.

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From the article:

"These people have caught the attention of law-enforcement authorities when they began living without passports."

I suppose, then, that law enforcement wouldn't have minded if thirty people with proper passports had gone into a cave with children and had threatened to blow themselves up if disturbed before the Apocalypse.

Communism dies very slowly....the primary concern is not the welfare of the people but in whether or not The State has had an opportunity to properly document them.

 

21 posted on 11/15/2007 5:04:08 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Bye then.


22 posted on 11/15/2007 5:07:03 PM PST by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: Stoat

Yikes, I pray for the children. Hopefully the Russians will find a peaceful solution. I wonder how Janet Reno is doing these days?


23 posted on 11/15/2007 5:21:00 PM PST by TBall
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To: TBall
Hopefully the Russians will find a peaceful solution

Historically, these sorts of things haven't typically turned out well, have they?

I pray for the children.

That's about all we can do.

24 posted on 11/15/2007 5:25:02 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: TXnMA

I’m reminded of an episode of Mythbusters about a guy trying to flush a raccoon out of a culvert with gasoline.


25 posted on 11/15/2007 5:27:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Stoat

Sects in caves now, it that what we’re talking about?


26 posted on 11/15/2007 5:30:22 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
Sects in caves now, it that what we’re talking about?

LMAO!

The (fevered) imagination races with possibilities......

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27 posted on 11/15/2007 5:52:16 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

If you note some of the pictures in previous posts show cops — so, you could call it protected sects.


28 posted on 11/15/2007 5:53:41 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Stoat

See, now that’s the right way to promote intelligent design!


29 posted on 11/15/2007 5:55:03 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
If you note some of the pictures in previous posts show cops — so, you could call it protected sects.

Oh lawd....

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30 posted on 11/15/2007 5:59:49 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

This story reminds me of a D&D session I once had...

DM: “You enter what looks like a magician’s laboratory. You see a lot of beakers, glass instruments containing other liquids, bunsen burners, etc.”

Gamer 1: “I turn one of the burners off.”

Gamer 2 (who is with Gamer 1, and who is apparently using his brain): “No!!!!”

DM (asking Gamer 1): “You turn a burner off?”

Gamer 1: “Uh, sure.”

DM (talking to Gamers 3-xx): “Okay, this is what you hear: ‘thump, thump, boom—no, wait: BOOM! thump! thump!”

I could have choked him that day...


31 posted on 11/15/2007 6:00:15 PM PST by Windcatcher
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To: durasell
See, now that’s the right way to promote intelligent design!

Sadly, my guess is that the reality of the matter in this case is quite different... "sigh"

 

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32 posted on 11/15/2007 6:09:55 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

LOL!


33 posted on 11/15/2007 6:25:18 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Stoat

Uhh ... if they don’t have any hostages ... who cares ?


34 posted on 11/15/2007 6:45:06 PM PST by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: Romneyfor President2008
the figures contained "satanic" combinations of numbers."

Well, they're right about that!

Name three "satanic" combinations of numbers.

35 posted on 11/15/2007 6:49:28 PM PST by humblegunner (My KungFu is ten times power.)
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To: RS
Uhh ... if they don’t have any hostages ... who cares ?

Well, according to the story update posted at # 21, authorities are involved because the people don't have the correct passports and documentation.

In Russia, it seems that you're not allowed to take children into a cave and blow yourselves up without proper documents.

36 posted on 11/15/2007 6:53:02 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: humblegunner

The SSN? LOL


37 posted on 11/15/2007 6:58:07 PM PST by Romneyfor President2008
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To: All
UPDATE

Cult awaits end of days in cave after leader's arrest - CNN.com

Cult awaits end of days in cave after leader's arrest

  • Story Highlights
  • Four children, one 18 months old, are among cult members holed up in cave
     
  • Cult leader to face charges he set up a violent organization, news agency reports
     
  • News agency: Cult members have threatened to commit suicide if police use force
     
  • The "true Russian Orthodox Church" believes end of the world is coming in May

 

MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Members of a Russian doomsday cult barricaded themselves in a cave to wait out the end of the world as the cult's leader underwent psychiatric exams Thursday, Russian media reported.

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The cult, which calls itself the "true Russian Orthodox Church," believes the world will end in May.

The cult leader is in police custody awaiting proceedings on charges that he set up an organization "whose activity is associated with violence on citizens and instigation to refuse to perform their civil duties," according to the state-funded Itar-Tass news agency.

Four children are among 29 cult members holed up in a ravine in Russia's Penza region, where they apparently dug a cave.

One of the children in the cave is 18 months old, reported Itar-Tass. Temperatures in the cave are below 54 degrees Fahrenheit (12 degrees Celsius), the Russian news agency reported.

The cult members have refused law enforcement requests to come out or release the children, and they have threatened to commit suicide if police resort to force, according to Russian state television.

The cult, which calls itself the "true Russian Orthodox Church," believes the end of the world will come in May 2008.

Prosecutors announced Thursday they are opening criminal proceedings against the cult's leader, Father Pyotr Kuznetsov. Kuznetsov, 43, is "under the supervision of investigators," Olig Troshin, a Penza prosecutor, told Itar-Tass.

A law enforcement source in Penza told the Russian news agency Interfax that Kuznetsov "is being examined by psychiatrists."

Several clergymen, police officers and agents of the Russian Ministry for Emergency Situations are outside the cave.

"It is obviously some kind of insanity," Mitropolitan Kirill, a high-ranking Russian Orthodox Church official, told Russian television. "It is perhaps even a medical case. A very dangerous phenomena is happening in Russia's religious life."

He added, "What we're seeing in Penza right now is a most vivid example of what could happen to a country, to a society, if this society is deprived of proper religious education."


38 posted on 11/15/2007 7:19:53 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: cripplecreek

Each morning, our welders used to “flush” rattlesnakes and jackrabbits out of the 30” gas pipeline we were building across NM with acetylene from a cutting torch and a sparking igniter. I’ve seen “smokin’ jacks” tumble over 100 feet across the desert...


39 posted on 11/15/2007 8:43:32 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: All
ITAR-TASS


 

Criminal proceedings opened against Penza sect leader
 

15.11.2007, 18.30

 

MOSCOW, November 15 (Itar-Tass) - Prosecutors in the Penza region opened criminal proceedings against sect leader Pyotr Kuznetsov whose supporters had holed up in a gully and refuse to talk with authorities.

Kuznetsov is "under the supervision of investigators," head of the regional investigations department under the Prosecutor General's Office Oleg Troshin told Itar-Tass.

"He's under our supervision; a criminal case has been opened against him under Article 239 of Russia’s Criminal Code (setting up a religious or public organization whose activity is associated with violence on citizens and instigation to refuse to perform their civil duties," Troshin said.

Investigators "haven't ascertained the motives of this move by the sect members who call themselves representatives of "the true Russian Orthodox Church."

They refuse contact with the regional authorities or law-enforcers. On the slope of the gully where some 30 sect members, including four children, dug out a cave and barricaded themselves, a detail of police officers has been on round-the-clock watch.

Police said the sect is awaiting "doomsday." They have a stock of food, and warned the authorities that in case police made an attempt to force their way inside, they would blow up their tunnels with the gas containers they had stored.

The temperature in caves does not exceed 12 degrees Celsius. The youngest child kept by the sect is just 18 months old.

Father Pyotr, 43, did not let his followers watch television, listen to the radio, or touch money, prosecutors said.

He is to undergo a psychiatric expert examination. The sect leader may be fined 200,000 roubles or sentenced to there years in jail.


40 posted on 11/15/2007 11:33:09 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

They only have 3.5 years to wait.
We learn now from the Bible that the Rapture will be May 21th 2011 AD.
Five month’s* after, the Ultimate Terror: Judgment Day Oktober 21th 2011 AD
* And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. (Revelation 9:5)

The Bible is a Book that is absolutely true and trustworthy. It is the centerpiece, the keystone of this study.
Website Time Has An End: A Biblical History of the World 11.013 BC - AD 2011 http://www.timehasanend.org/ Are you ready to meet God?


41 posted on 11/16/2007 2:22:29 AM PST by Cornelis Droog
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To: TBall

Janet Reno

Confessed to her crimes, but never was prosecuted.


42 posted on 11/16/2007 2:35:17 AM PST by Son House ($$Proud Member of Vast Right Wing, Out To Lower Your Tax Rates For More Opportunities.$$)
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To: Stoat
Followers did not work, children in the sect were not allowed to go to school, and members were banned from speaking to their relatives, NTV reported.

Not biblical at all.

43 posted on 11/16/2007 2:56:34 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: All
Minor Update:

Russia cultists brick themselves up to survive apocalypse - Yahoo! India News

TOP STORIES

Russia: cultists brick themselves up to survive apocalypse


 
By IE
Wednesday November 21, 02:43 AM
About 30 doomsday cultists, including four children, have bricked themselves up in a dugout in the village of Poganovka, in Russia's Penza Region, to survive an oncoming apocalypse. They have threatened to blow themselves up if they are forced to get out of the cave.

The cultists claim to be the "True Russian Orthodox Church", and believe the apocalypse will come in May 2008. Police authorities have cordoned off the dugout fearing more cultists may join them in the coming weeks. Armed with gas-cylinders, the cultists have warned that they would rather die in a blast than leave their shelters. According to reports, the cultists excavated the cave after their leader; one Father Pyotr Kuznetsov ordered them to hide in order to escape the end of the world, which he predicted will happen next May. They took their children, the youngest being sixteen months of age, underground, too.

Kuznetsov's followers are from Rostov, Belarus and Moscow. They bought houses in the village 18 months ago, turning one of them into a chapel and led isolated lives. They even prohibited their children from attending school.

The Russian newspaper Izvestia daily reported that Kuznetsov is a schizophrenic and received medical treatment for the same a few years ago

Born in the village of Nikolskoye, Kuznetsov was a deeply religious from his childhood. However, with time his piety became increasingly unhealthy, the daily reported.

He always spoke about an upcoming doomsday and sometimes discussed philosophic matters with strangers. His wife, unable to deal with her husband's curious nature, alerted psychiatrists. Thereafter he spent a month in a local psychiatric clinic and was discharged only after being diagnosed with schizophrenia. Later Kuznetsov declared himself to be a priest-monk and a prophet, and soon attracted a large following.Some reports said Kuznetsov is under custody and under psychiatric examination.


44 posted on 11/21/2007 12:32:38 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: TXnMA

Why not just cover the end of the pipe before leaving it at night...


45 posted on 11/21/2007 12:39:31 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

...and miss out on the fun of “starting the day with a bang”?...


46 posted on 11/21/2007 5:00:10 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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