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How Royal Anglians killed 1,000 Taliban
Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 16/11/2007 | Thomas Harding

Posted on 11/15/2007 8:19:44 PM PST by PotatoHeadMick

The intensity of combat in Afghanistan has been laid bare as one Army regiment revealed that it had fired one million rounds, killed 1,028 Taliban and lost nine men in a six-month tour of duty.

At times, fighting saw 1Bn of the Royal Anglians having to "winkle out the Taliban at the point of a bayonet", said Lt Col Stuart Carver, the commanding officer, at the battalion's medal ceremony.

At times the fighting was on a par with that experienced in the Second World War and the casualty rate was similar, with nine men killed and a further 135 wounded.

In a moving speech given by a former commander of the Anglians, Major Gen John Sutherell said they had completed the "most demanding tour" ever asked of the regiment.

"In spite of the heat and privations you have taken on a hard and fanatical enemy on their own grounds and driven them back. The fighting has been remorseless in its intensity and often at very close quarters.

"You have shown courage, endurance and professional skill and comradeship of a very high order.

"But you have also shown the intelligent restraint and humanity to discern between those who have been trying to kill you and the people we are in Afghanistan to help."

The conflict had not come "without costs" but the battalion should be "incredibly proud" of itself.

The general, who also served in the SAS, said: "You are truly comrades in arms, a band of brothers and you have our deepest gratitude, respect and admiration."

After he finished a woman from the crowd of almost 2,000 family and friends shouted "three cheers for our boys". She was met with a rapturous response.

Lt Col Carver said his men had fought conventional trench warfare, engaging a well-trained enemy from, at times, 15 feet away.

"There was some pretty fierce fighting in conditions you would sometimes see in World War Two, clearing buildings and trenches."

The enemy was highly trained and well equipped, although others were poorly trained fanatics.

"The good ones are extremely good, religiously motivated and will stay and fight until the last," Lt Col Carver said. "Sometimes they had to be winkled out of buildings at the point of a bayonet."

He said the Taliban mounted more than 350 attacks on his troops.

"By the end of the Anglian tour, three quarters of shop fronts had been restored to Sangin, which had previously been a ghost town. A school for 500 boys and girls had opened and the population had electricity. The security threat had also dropped to 'Northern Ireland levels'."

Despite the heroism of the tour, one third of the battalion received no recognition for the fighting they experienced.

Although General Sir Richard Dannatt, the head of the Army, had indicated that a "Southern Afghanistan" clasp would be added to the Afghanistan campaign medal, it appears the MoD is dragging its feet over the issue.

The entire back row of three on parade at Pirbright Barracks, Surrey, did not get a medal as they had already received one during the "benign" Anglian tour of 2002.

Yesterday, the soldiers called for a recognition of the fighting they had experienced.

"It is chronically unfair that this has not been the case," said one soldier.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1bn; afghanistan; anglians; frwn; killed; royal; sas; taliban
Curious how the enemy's "grim milestones" never make it on to the BBC or CNN.
1 posted on 11/15/2007 8:19:45 PM PST by PotatoHeadMick
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2 posted on 11/15/2007 8:21:45 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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3 posted on 11/15/2007 8:26:15 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
At times the fighting was on a par with that experienced in the Second World War and the casualty rate was similar, with nine men killed and a further 135 wounded.

???

4 posted on 11/15/2007 8:30:55 PM PST by fso301
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To: SandRat
"Sometimes they had to be winkled out of buildings at the point of a bayonet."

I love British-speak. But, a question: do they still use bayonets or is this just a figure of speech? Perhaps they do when the fighting is in such close quarters.

5 posted on 11/15/2007 8:37:21 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: hsalaw

IIRC, a couple of years back a British Captain did in fact when the lads were low on ammunition order fix bayonets and lead a bayonet charge. Earned the VC for it he did; not postumelusly either I might add.


6 posted on 11/15/2007 8:49:32 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: hsalaw

*We* still issue bayonets, I’m sure the British do too.

They’re a lot less effective on those bullpup L85 rifles they use, though. The L85 is a massive disaster of a rifle, and it uses a cast bayonet mount. Not a great thing.

On the other hand, if it’s what you have you kind of have to use it.


7 posted on 11/15/2007 8:50:57 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: hsalaw

OUTNUMBERED British soldiers killed 35 Iraqi attackers in the Army’s first bayonet charge since the Falklands War 22 years ago.

The fearless Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders stormed rebel positions after being ambushed and pinned down.

Despite being outnumbered five to one, they suffered only three minor wounds in the hand-to-hand fighting near the city of Amara.

The battle erupted after Land Rovers carrying 20 Argylls came under attack on a highway.

After radioing for back-up, they fixed bayonets and charged at 100 rebels using tactics learned in drills.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article88661.ece


8 posted on 11/15/2007 8:51:12 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Spktyr; SandRat; sgtyork

Thank you for the helpful information. In this day when we hear so much about the high-tech weaponry, it’s interesting to read that what used to work, still does. Thanks again.


9 posted on 11/15/2007 8:56:49 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: SandRat

Wikipedia makes mention of that on their Bayonet page:

“Bayonets were used as a direct attack weapon by Argyll and Sutherland Highlander troops from the British Army in the second conflict in Iraq. When two landrovers of Highlander troops were ambushed by soldiers loyal to cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, the Highlander troops fixed bayonets to their rifles and charged the militiamen.”

From: http://rimfireshooting.com/index.php?s=2af14818f6b9e5dbe4170e1228a8825b&showtopic=112

And now enter the 91st/93rd (Princess’ Louise’s Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders):

Through war, disease, capture and further amalgamation with the First Battalion, the 93rd has lived on. Today “The Thin Red Line” still stands firm in our ever changing world.

A&S Highlanders in Iraq:
“Outnumbered British soldiers killed 35 Iraqi attackers in the Army’s first bayonet charge since the Falklands War 22 years ago. The fearless Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders stormed rebel positions after being ambushed and pinned down.
Despite being outnumbered five to one, they suffered only three minor wounds in the hand-to-hand fighting near the city of Amara. The battle erupted after Land Rovers carrying 20 Argylls came under attack on a highway.After radioing for back-up, they fixed bayonets and charged at 100 rebels using tactics learned in drills. When the fighting ended bodies lay all over the highway Ñ and more were floating in a nearby river. Nine rebels were captured.
An Army spokesman said: “This was an intense engagement.” The last bayonet charge was by the Scots Guards and the Paras against Argentinian positions. “

The Brits have always favored bayonets more than US forces - we tend to prefer knives (often dismounted bayonets), sharpened entrenching tools, or swords depending on the era.


10 posted on 11/15/2007 8:59:28 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

“The intensity of combat in Afghanistan has been laid bare as one Army regiment revealed that it had fired one million rounds, killed 1,028 Taliban and lost nine men in a six-month tour of duty.”

Superior Western Culture Ping!


11 posted on 11/15/2007 8:59:32 PM PST by PROCON
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To: hsalaw

A lot of bunker clearing takes place with fixed bayonets, I’ve just been told. Aside from using the fixed bayonet as a probe, the thing gives anyone trying to grab your muzzle a nasty surprise.


12 posted on 11/15/2007 9:00:58 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Fix bayonets, prepare charge...

Tough men those.


13 posted on 11/15/2007 9:19:29 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

What?? What?? What’s that about Royal Anglicans? Does the Archbishop of Canterbury know about this?


14 posted on 11/15/2007 9:26:14 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Good show !...Those Brits are tough and they sure do use bayonets..They are however still slow to issue medals and commendations, been that way since WW II and maybe before..Curious why they are slow with the medals...good men


15 posted on 11/15/2007 9:29:51 PM PST by billmor
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To: billmor

the brits have done an outstanding job in afghanistan.


16 posted on 11/15/2007 9:34:39 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: fso301

“At times the fighting was on a par with that experienced in the Second World War and the casualty rate was similar, with nine men killed and a further 135 wounded.

???”

Will it was a Battalion. That is what 500 men?


17 posted on 11/15/2007 10:29:37 PM PST by neb52
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Thank you, Royal Anglians!


18 posted on 11/15/2007 10:35:41 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: neb52

Well, a fast visit to the outfits web site would answer all sorts of questions.

http://www.army.mod.uk/royalanglian/vikings/index.htm

BTW 300 to 1000 troops, depending on mission, attached support units, etc.


19 posted on 11/15/2007 11:50:40 PM PST by ASOC
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To: fso301
Is he saying that the Brits attained a kill ratio of 110 to one in World War II?


20 posted on 11/15/2007 11:58:08 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack,repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: ASOC

Thank you.


21 posted on 11/16/2007 1:03:21 AM PST by neb52
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To: PotatoHeadMick
At first I read the headline as: How Royal Angli-C-ans killed 1,000 Taliban.

I thought, "Oh, wow, don't get Her Majesty pissed at you."

22 posted on 11/16/2007 5:14:33 AM PST by Cheburashka (DUmmieland = Opus Dopium. In all senses of the word dope.)
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To: hsalaw

Winkle Out : - To force out , like you force out the sea - food out of it’s shell .

I am surprised the Royal Anglias have inflicted so much damage though ; they don’t come from a particularly rough part of the country . On the other hand , some of the Jock regiments (the Black Watch or the Cameron Highlanders) or the Paras being mental cases I can understand .

By the bye , can any Freeper tell me if the US Army has units which recruit in certain States or cities ? If not , why not ?


23 posted on 11/16/2007 5:14:42 AM PST by jabbermog
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To: jabbermog
By the bye , can any Freeper tell me if the US Army has units which recruit in certain States or cities ? If not , why not ?

We have National Guard units (equivalent to your Territorials) which are recruited on a state-by-state basis, but we have never used a local area regiment recruiting system for regular troops.

It works for you Brits, but we never saw the need.

24 posted on 11/16/2007 5:20:36 AM PST by Cheburashka (DUmmieland = Opus Dopium. In all senses of the word dope.)
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To: Cheburashka

Joined the Terriers when I was 19 ; 872 Field Sqn. Royal Engineers (V), Mafeking Barracks , Manby (near where I live ).
Hated it for the first few weeks , but ended up staying in it for 3 years !


25 posted on 11/16/2007 5:57:10 AM PST by jabbermog
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To: jabbermog

navy ships used to be crewed with the inhabitants of the states they were named for, but losing one meant too much devastation to morale that theystopped the practice...

teeman


26 posted on 11/16/2007 10:02:10 AM PST by teeman8r
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To: nathanbedford
Is he saying that the Brits attained a kill ratio of 110 to one in World War II?

I have no idea what he's trying to say.

27 posted on 11/16/2007 10:22:06 AM PST by fso301
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To: jabbermog

Curiously when I was growing up in Derry in the 1970’s and 80’s the Royal Anglians were the most disliked British Regiment, after the Paras (for obvious reasons). They seemed to be involved in an inordinate amout of deaths of civilians (ok not all of them were strictly speaking ‘civilians’) and I believe there was even long term resentment about their behaviour in the city during riots and civil disturbances back in the early 1920’s!

The Royal Marines and the Scottish regiments never attracted such hostility in a way that those regiments did in Belfast due to their, shall we say, rather robust attitude to soldiering there.


28 posted on 11/19/2007 12:55:37 AM PST by PotatoHeadMick
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