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Senate Votes to Block Iraq War Money
AP ^ | By ANNE FLAHERTY

Posted on 11/16/2007 7:58:00 AM PST by rightinthemiddle

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate on Friday blocked a Republican proposal to pay $70 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without strings attached.

The 53-45 vote was 15 votes short of the 60 needed to advance.

The measure was aimed at countering Democratic legislation that also would bankroll the operations, but would additionally require that troops start coming home in 30 days.

The Democratic bill, passed by the House on Wednesday, set a goal of ending combat by December 2008.

"We need to get the funds to the troops and we need to do it now," said Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said the only way to get troops the money was to approve the restrictions outlined by Democrats.

"Anything else is political posturing," said Reid.

Democrats also were expected to fall short of the 60 votes needed to advance their bill.

Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said this week that if Congress cannot pass legislation that ties war money to troop withdrawals, they would not send Bush a bill this year.

Instead, they would revisit the issue upon returning in January, pushing the Pentagon to the brink of an accounting nightmare and deepening Democrats' conflict with the White House on the war.

In the meantime, Democrats say, the Pentagon can eat into its $471 billion annual budget without being forced to take drastic steps.

"The days of a free lunch are over," said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday that unless Congress passes funding for the war within days, he will direct the Army and Marine Corps to begin developing plans to lay off employees and terminate contracts early next year.

(Excerpt) Read more at ap.google.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 100th; 110th; alqaedacrats; ap; cutandrun; cutnrun; defeatocraps; defeatocrats; democraticparty; democratparty; iraq; iraqwar; islam; islamofascism; pelosi; reid; surrendernow; traitors; whiteflagpanies
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I couldn't find anything in search on this...looks like some Republicans voted with the Democrats.
1 posted on 11/16/2007 7:58:00 AM PST by rightinthemiddle
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To: rightinthemiddle

They must have. I’m sure Lieberman voted with us. I’d like to know who the Republicans are who voted against it, and what their excuse is.


2 posted on 11/16/2007 8:00:03 AM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON/ DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: rightinthemiddle

Bring them all home...

THE POLITIANS IN WASHINGTON THAT IS!

What a bunch of screwballs


3 posted on 11/16/2007 8:00:06 AM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

politicians.. sorry when i get angry I tend to have typos lol.


5 posted on 11/16/2007 8:00:53 AM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: rightinthemiddle
“The days of a free lunch are over,” said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.

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The country is at war and this is what the al qaeda operative in the Senate from New York said about our military ??? WTF

6 posted on 11/16/2007 8:01:19 AM PST by IrishMike (Liberalism is Jihad from within)
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To: rightinthemiddle

And there was much cheering by the enemy.


7 posted on 11/16/2007 8:01:25 AM PST by pnh102
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To: rightinthemiddle

If the Democrats can manufacture a defeat in this war they are dead meat. That’s what’s driving this.


8 posted on 11/16/2007 8:01:36 AM PST by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: JackRyanCIA
Bet it was Snowe, Collins and Hagel.

Excellent guesses.

9 posted on 11/16/2007 8:01:44 AM PST by tiredoflaundry
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To: rightinthemiddle
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said the only way to get troops the money was to approve the restrictions outlined by Democrats.

"Anything else is political posturing," said Reid.


Ummm. Anyone care to tell the Senator that what he is doing is political posturing? Or perhaps he is so arrogant that he doesn't think the term applies to him?
10 posted on 11/16/2007 8:02:02 AM PST by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: Steely Tom
Oops. I meant "If the Democrat's can't manufacture a defeat..."
11 posted on 11/16/2007 8:02:30 AM PST by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: rightinthemiddle
Harry Reid continues to do what comes naturally.


12 posted on 11/16/2007 8:03:31 AM PST by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: rightinthemiddle

If Republicasn were smart they would make a BIG deal of this.


13 posted on 11/16/2007 8:04:20 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: 84rules

‘Special Report’ Panel on Majority Leader Reid’s Latest Tactics

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311939,00.html


14 posted on 11/16/2007 8:04:53 AM PST by IrishMike (Liberalism is Jihad from within)
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To: lesser_satan

Looks like 4 or 5 Republicans are invested in defeat as well.


15 posted on 11/16/2007 8:05:04 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: rightinthemiddle

If Defense Sec. Gates has any moxie, he will start cutting civilian jobs at bases in the districts of those Democrats voting against money for our troops during war time.
Pelosi and Reid say he should find the money in the regular defense budget, and that is exactly where he should find it. After a few hundred thousand are laid off in their states, I think the Dems would be dancing to a different tune than the one MoveOn.org is whistling.


16 posted on 11/16/2007 8:06:27 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: rightinthemiddle

Thus clearing the way for the House’s AlQaeda Rescue Act of 2007 for consideration.


17 posted on 11/16/2007 8:07:45 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Steely Tom

They’ve really painted themselves into a corner. They either piss off their raving moonbat nutjob base or the average voter. They have no way out.


18 posted on 11/16/2007 8:08:20 AM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON/ DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: rightinthemiddle

Perhaps this is the Democrat version? But, the article says the Republican version failed by the same vote.

Any C-Span Junkies out there?


19 posted on 11/16/2007 8:08:50 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: All

This is the most critical battle for campaign 2008. All of next year turns on funding victory.

The correct question, by the way, is not which Republicans voted against. Hagel is already retiring. The correct question is which Democrats in red states voted AGAINST. Those seats can be targetted with these votes.


20 posted on 11/16/2007 8:09:16 AM PST by Owen
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To: rightinthemiddle

Gates should cherry pick the contracts to be terminated. I would suggest starting with those in Reid’s state and Pelosi’s district. This is the best way to pressure these turkeys.


21 posted on 11/16/2007 8:10:22 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: rightinthemiddle
"Anything else is political posturing," said Reid.

This is simply too much. That any supposed "Journalists" let this clown loft up this absurd softball without asking him "and what was bringing up 40 votes on Iraq you know going in you are going to lose"?

23 posted on 11/16/2007 8:10:51 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Hillary is polarizing, deceitful, and liberal. And those are are her good points!" Beaversmom)
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To: JackRyanCIA

I’ll bet Lugar was also one of them.


24 posted on 11/16/2007 8:11:38 AM PST by anoldafvet (To liberals, building a wall across the Mexican border is a violation of the Voting Rights Act.)
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To: lesser_satan
They have no way out.

And you know what they say about a cornered animal.

I don't like to think about this stuff too much. It just worries the hell out of me.

I don't want to be an alarmist, but I think these people are really dangerous. What might they do as the wheels come off? I fear for our soldiers in harm's way. The left will pull the rug out from under them, then laugh as they are humiliated and killed.

25 posted on 11/16/2007 8:12:39 AM PST by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: Steely Tom

No...

What’s driving this is a desperate attempt at appeasement to the moonbat base after DEMOCRATS killed the Impeachment.

They think they can go home, and let this simmer over the Holidays. And they are probably right, since thier allies in the MSM will play it up for them.

Democrats are desperate for an ISSUE that hides Hillary’s failure, and flip-flopping...


26 posted on 11/16/2007 8:13:28 AM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: rightinthemiddle

More here:

Competing bills failed.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119522582120495791.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


27 posted on 11/16/2007 8:14:53 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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Read this report => Come Home <= to see exactly what the RATs are trying to undermine.

And believe me, the report's title does not mean bring home the troops. It is a testament to the wonderful work our brave men and women of our armed forces have done and continue to do, at least until the RATs pull the rug out from under them.

If enough Americans understood what has been achieved and how the democRATs are going to throw it all in the toilet, they'd run Pelosi, Nurtha and Reid out of Washington on a rail, covered in tar and feathers.

28 posted on 11/16/2007 8:15:00 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: JackRyanCIA

It was Smith (RINO-OR), Snowe (RINO-ME), Collins (RINO-ME), and Hagel (A**HAT-NE).


29 posted on 11/16/2007 8:16:25 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: rightinthemiddle
Looks like 4 or 5 Republicans are invested in defeat as well.

Not necessarily. 53 to 45 means all the Republicans, plus 4 Democrats may have voted for this. 45 Nay votes sustained the filibuster. Those could all be Democrats.

30 posted on 11/16/2007 8:16:57 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Hillary is polarizing, deceitful, and liberal. And those are are her good points!" Beaversmom)
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To: rightinthemiddle
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said the only way to get troops the money was to approve the restrictions outlined by Democrats.

"Anything else is political posturing," said Reid.

That's the stupidest damn thing I've ever heard in my life. He's blatantly posturing and saying anything else is posturing.

If a single soldier is killed because they lacked the funding and equipment due to political posturing mr reid I will hold you PERSONALLY responsible.

31 posted on 11/16/2007 8:17:21 AM PST by CougarGA7 (I'm supporting a Conservative not a RINO http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: NonValueAdded

I read that, and that’s what’s driving my anxiety. The Michael Yon article, and others like it, has got to be driving the left into a frenzy. They are coming out on the wrong side of the dynamic; they are so far out in the cold they can’t even see the front porch.


33 posted on 11/16/2007 8:18:14 AM PST by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Did even one Demo senator vote the right way? I hope perhaps Lieberman did. I will be eager to see the roll call on this.

How maddening to think if Republicans could have rallied only about 10,000 more voters to their side in VA and MT last year, they would still have the majority. Then most likely these signals to the enemy that we are a divided nation and don’t have the will to fight wouldn’t even come up for a vote.


35 posted on 11/16/2007 8:19:37 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: andy58-in-nh

...and RINO Voinavich!


36 posted on 11/16/2007 8:19:55 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: rightinthemiddle

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00411#position

Here is the vote on the Democrat bill. RINOS Snow, Hagel and Smith voted with the Dims. Cannot find a vote on the Republican bill


37 posted on 11/16/2007 8:20:54 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Hillary is polarizing, deceitful, and liberal. And those are are her good points!" Beaversmom)
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To: rightinthemiddle

38 posted on 11/16/2007 8:21:12 AM PST by Polybius
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To: MNJohnnie

I’ve found two articles from the AP...they seem similar, but one is covering the Republican measure and the other the Democrat measure.

Both were defeated by the same vote. The AP sucks so bad...they could be using the “headline” game to portray this as a Democrat win.


39 posted on 11/16/2007 8:21:18 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: TNCMAXQ

Yes Leiberman voted to block the Dems vote on the “Surrender Now” House Bill, cannot find a vote tally on this Republican bill

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00411#position


40 posted on 11/16/2007 8:22:10 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Hillary is polarizing, deceitful, and liberal. And those are are her good points!" Beaversmom)
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To: rightinthemiddle
Nope, it marks the 41 Democrat defeat on Iraq in just this session of Congress.
41 posted on 11/16/2007 8:22:55 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Hillary is polarizing, deceitful, and liberal. And those are are her good points!" Beaversmom)
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This is strange...four Republicans voted with the Dims, four Democrats voted with the Republicans?

That means at least four Senators contradicted themselves...or voted “no” on both.


42 posted on 11/16/2007 8:22:57 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: Steely Tom
Not to add to your anxiety, but read the words William Casey wrote to his daughter in Ollie North's latest report here. Casey's understanding of the imperative back then was spot on. Given our understanding today that "those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it," think of the burden the RATs are trying to place on our children and grandchildren.
43 posted on 11/16/2007 8:23:40 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: MNJohnnie

BTW...how you doin’, brother?


44 posted on 11/16/2007 8:23:49 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: All

Who are the Democrat senators in red states who failed to vote as they should have on these bills?


45 posted on 11/16/2007 8:25:00 AM PST by Owen
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To: JackRyanCIA

Yeah, he was mine too, until I moved to Kentucky. I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw a truck.


46 posted on 11/16/2007 8:25:14 AM PST by anoldafvet (To liberals, building a wall across the Mexican border is a violation of the Voting Rights Act.)
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To: Steely Tom

I fear for our soldiers in harm’s way. The left will pull the rug out from under them, then laugh as they are humiliated and killed.

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Yep, it a Democrat who would be first to say they still don’t have the protective gear they need, yet, Democrats are continually finding ways to hold up the funds.


47 posted on 11/16/2007 8:25:14 AM PST by Son House ($$Proud Member of Vast Right Wing, Out To Lower Your Tax Rates For More Opportunities.$$)
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To: CougarGA7

If a single soldier is killed because they lacked the funding and equipment due to political posturing mr reid I will hold you PERSONALLY responsible.

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Many of us are with you on this one.


48 posted on 11/16/2007 8:26:44 AM PST by Son House ($$Proud Member of Vast Right Wing, Out To Lower Your Tax Rates For More Opportunities.$$)
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To: NonValueAdded
Repeating Casey's key paragraph (empahsis added):

"This ocean was placed between us by forces you never knew, which the generation before mine failed to control and which mine must stamp out. It is a task which must be done if we are to live in peace, freedom and decency. We shrank from the job and the danger grew.

49 posted on 11/16/2007 8:27:19 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: lesser_satan
"I’d like to know who the Republicans are who voted against it, and what their excuse is."

You can always count on Snow, Specter, and whoever that other women is that always votes the same as Snow.

50 posted on 11/16/2007 8:28:18 AM PST by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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