Posted on 11/16/2007 9:16:21 AM PST by uksupport1
Let’s see.
You got spanked by the British when you invaded Canada, and got your White House burnt down. (apologies to normal FReepers, I don’t enjoy bringing this stuff up, just for MVlad here)
America didn’t “save” Britain in either World War, unless you built our Navy for us. Just checking ... nope, it turns out that the enormous Royal Navy was built by ... the British! How about that!
And as for not having an Empire anymore. Well, actually that’s true, but no-one was claiming we still had one. UkSupport1 pointed out that we didn’t get our erstwhile Empire by being defeated an apparently uncountable number of times.
And where did that Empire go? It turned into a swathe of mostly successful countries, most of whom are lined up on the side of the Anglosphere today. The ones who reject their British heritage are the most wretched hives of villainy, like Zimbabwe.
And finally, one of the most enduring relics of evil British Imperialism is this. What language are we writing these posts in?
Britian won many more then they lost. We should be thankful to have the UK as an ally, we don’t have too many others.
If there is any weakening of British military skill and resolve, the same can be found in any Western nation - including America. But by necessity, and in the face of radical Islam, the future will see a more determined and united West, despite insignificant morons posting on this forum.
“The Empire you speak of no longer exists. Except maybe in
that parallel world from which you come, which appears to
be akin to LaLa Land. Bit of Frenchthink methinks. So stand aside, mate. Yours is clearly second or third fiddle.”
If this is what you think about our most steadfast allies, I would hate to hear your opinion of our enemies. Did a Brit run over your dog or something?
Thank you for your wise comments.
Despite the unfortunate diversion on this thread, I would like to sign off by paying homage to the extraordinary power, flexibility and resourcefulness of US armed forces. Especially your COIN (counter -insurgent IIRC) operations, which IMO have really won the victory in Iraq.
50 year old democrat?
The US, in which I can take pride in later in the war, dithered with isolationism and surreptitious support.
Alone and unaided in arms, Great Britain and the Commonwealth kept Hitler from consolidating a continental victory that would have served as something the US would never have unseated.
Churchill felt saved the morning the news hit him of the Pearl Harbor attack on the US. But many nations and many people were saved by the invincible valor of the United Kingdom standing alone against the biggest war machine of all time.
That is what sensible people know of your nation.
I think it was perfecting the art of brewing beer. Once it was discovered what really kept the infantryman on his feet, and Burton on Trent started producing it in industrial quantities, the ascent of the Empire proceeded as night follows day. =]
“Don’t you mean “you’re” hilarious?”
You’re absolutely correct. I apologise, I was distracted, but am currently involved in many tasks. Arguing with an anti-British loon does not rank highly amongst these.
Thank you for not holding that ‘agin’ me?!
The US War of Independence: Fought against third-tier British forces (we were somewhat preoccupied fighting other world powers), loyalist British colonists and German mercs. Colonists were predominantly British and lost most of the battles. Would have lost the war too were it not for the French.
1814: New Orleans. A good American victory for sure. However, it is a battle noted for the bravery and coolness under fire of British redcoats who stood under withering fire from a strong US defensive position. It also came at the end of a conflict in which the US tried to invade Canada, was beaten back by numerically inferior Brit/Canadian forces. The war ended with British forces hundreds of miles inside US territory. Hardly a US victory and only a ‘draw’ if you’re being kind.
“you were
obliterated at New Orleans in 1814 and have been in decline
ever since.”
I believe that the British Empire reached its height in the decades after a small victory over that chap called ‘Napoleon’. Sorry mate, but the US War of Independence wasn’t big news in the UK and, as I have shown, took place BEFORE the height of British power.
The US did not pull the UK ‘out of the fire’ in the World Wars.
WW1: In the final months, UK forces captured more Germans a than all of the other Allies combined.
WW2: Russia broke the back of the German army.
[Other Freepers, please note that I am very grateful for how the US help us in these wars, however].
That the UK Empire does no longer exist is testament to the economic position that Britain found itself in after WW1 and 2 . Britain has good relations with former territories, many of whom are now in the Commonwealth. Britain defeated insurgencies where these arose and was not forced out of any of its territories because of military failure. Britains military record post-WW2 is excellent.
Please, may I ask, what you mean by ‘limped’ with regards to the Falklands. It sounds a fascinating theory, but does it contain facts?
No.Wait.
Never mind.
Nice work.
God Bless Our Allies.
Al contrar. I think you’d love to hear my views on our enemies.
I think they would be consistent w/ your own but perhaps slightly closer to those that might be attributable to how Attila the Hun would think wrt/
this issue.
MV
Indeed :-)
Well, to be honest its (The Falklands) the best contemporary example of two high tech militaries going to war. Both navies had missile destroyers and aircraft carriers. What was proved was that the UK remains the pre-eminent blue-water navy in Europe, and as my colleagues have said, linked a supply chain that was 8,000 miles long and also undertook what was the longest bombing run in history, until the B52’s bounced off Diego Garcia (UK) en route to Iraq.
Proper air to air combat between Sea Harriers and the Argie Mirages and Super Etendard.
1st naval ‘kill’ for a nuclear submarine (HMS Conqueror) in the history of war.
And, no mean feat here, but the war put paid to the regime of General Galtieri, which saved countless Argentinian civilian and military lives.
So Empire this and that. You have a grudge against the UK, and I’m not going to be shocked if I hear you put a few dollars into those disgusting IRA charities that the US was running during the Troubles!
1,000 kills? You can see why the Taliban are trying their hand in other provinces after getting such a pounding. More to the point, we got some of their higher-ups too, and their resistance is falling into Iraqi-style IED’s and suicide bombers.
A South Afghanistan clip sounds like a good plan also, to differentiate between the Kabul headshed staff and the war going on in the ‘boonies dahn sahf’.
Your vitriolic posts are out of place in a thread hailing the bravery and success of OUR allies..
Sounds like a British girl dumped you.
“Allies be allies when they think they will get something out of
the deal w/ miinmal cost to themselves.”
Famous quote goes like thus:
Superpowers don’t have friends; they have interests.
If you think we ‘allies’ are bad and want a return for our expenditure, then mate, just czech out your own nation. You are a hypocrit my friend! ;-)
I am 13th generation American. Unfortunately, some of my ancestors were killed by the Brits, even though we originally came from England. No one can be intellectually honest and say the Brits don't have a proud history of combat.
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