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Did Iranian Airbus Shootdown Foreshadow TWA 800?
Jack Cashill ^ | 11/14/07 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 11/16/2007 10:04:18 PM PST by Sioux-san

On the Sunday morning of July 3, 1988, at the tail end of the Iran-Iraq War, an Aegis cruiser, the USS Vincennes, fired two Standard Missiles at a commercial Iranian Airbus, IR655.

The first missile struck the tail and right wing and broke the aircraft in half. All 290 people aboard were killed. Misunderstanding America, the Iranians claimed that our Navy had intentionally destroyed the plane.

The Navy did no such thing.

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To: PetroniusMaximus

“I and a few others in this board saw John Kerry slip up in a interview immediately after 911 and call TWA 800 a “terrorist act”.”

This doesn’t mean Kerry had any actual proof, just that he was “hoping” at the time.


21 posted on 11/17/2007 12:11:04 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: DoughtyOne

Yes.

Clinton had the FBI take over the TWA800 disaster within minutes of it occurring,and had the FAA stand aside.

But, he had the FBI stand aside and let the Park Police do the investigation into the death of his BEST FRIEND and POWERFUL MEMBER OF WHITE HOUSE STAFF, ole boy Vince.

Hmmmmmmmm........


22 posted on 11/17/2007 12:17:11 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: UCANSEE2

The day after Vince died, Clinton appeared at the side of the White House acknowledging the death. The guy looked at once scared to death, and yet actually smiling. It was very wierd to say the least.


23 posted on 11/17/2007 12:41:19 AM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: DoughtyOne

He wasn’t sure at the time whether he was going to get away with it.

What makes it really really weird is that Vince’s clothes had semen stains on them. Whose were they?


24 posted on 11/17/2007 12:51:51 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: UCANSEE2

Beats me. I don’t remember hearing that before though. Perhaps I’ve forgotten.


25 posted on 11/17/2007 1:03:19 AM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: Sioux-san

This is very rarely brought up, but nine months after the Iranian Airbus shootdown, the Wife of the Captain of the USS Vincennes was nearly killed in a bombing attack. She had been driving the family minivan to work when a bomb that had been attached to it went off. The FBI (as usual) immediately denied any link to terrorism and instead worked on the theory that an unknown non-terrorist with unknown motives had blown up the captain’s van. The case has never been solved.


26 posted on 11/17/2007 1:36:41 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: DoughtyOne

Honestly, Kerry is not very sharp. It could well be that this was a botched reference to the PAN AM flight 103 that blew up over Lockerbie, Scotland. I would not hang my hat on anything Mr. Heinz says.


27 posted on 11/17/2007 4:15:41 AM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: DoughtyOne
The Navy also admits there was a training exercise in the TWA 800 vacinity on the night of the TWA 800 incident.

The one thing that bothers this pilot is that the "official" explaination of what brought TWA800 down is that jet fuel vapors exploded in the center fuel tank. Jet fuel is essentially kerosene and the vapors are not at all explosive unless they are compressed. That's what a jet engine is, a big compressor. It's hard enough to get jet fuel to burn at sea level, much less get the vapors to burn explosively at somewhere between 12,000-17,000' agl. That one has never been explained satisfactorily, regardless of what anyone thinks was the cause of the crash. They always tapdance around that little ditty......

28 posted on 11/17/2007 4:40:22 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Thinking of voting Democrat? Wake up and smell the Socialism!)
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To: bobby.223

There are about 350 men aboard the Normandy. If it was there conducting training exercises with a complement of other ships and subs, that number goes up dramatically. No one out of that entire group put 2 and 2 together and noticed that within seconds of firing a missile of any kind an airliner was reported crashed with some claiming it was hit by a missile? Or all of them were threatened and remain sufficiently frightened that not a one has stepped forward?


29 posted on 11/17/2007 4:53:20 AM PST by Sandreckoner
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To: bobby.223
about how men are involved in the launch of a missle from one of our navy ships that would be capable of taking down flight 800? any navy FReepers out tonight?

Directly involved? Depends on the size of the ship. There are those in the missile magazine, those in the Combat Information Center, those on the bridge. But if you're wondering how many people on a ship would be aware of a missile being fired then the answer is all of them. It's not a quiet procedure.

30 posted on 11/17/2007 4:57:02 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I and a few others in this board saw John Kerry slip up in a interview immediately after 911 and call TWA 800 a “terrorist act”.

I saw John Kerry in an inteview calling every one of the Swift Boat charges false. Do believe him in that as well?

31 posted on 11/17/2007 4:58:32 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: DoughtyOne
The Navy also admits there was a training exercise in the TWA 800 vacinity on the night of the TWA 800 incident.

It was quite common to have training exercises in the area. None of them ever involved shooting anything.

32 posted on 11/17/2007 5:00:08 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: LS
Ping to an example of what you pointed out in America's Victories, the use of Proceedings by Capt. Carlson (presumably with command approval) for the relentless self-examination of military mistakes with an eye to correcting the contributing factors.
33 posted on 11/17/2007 5:28:14 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Sioux-san
Misunderstanding America, the Iranians claimed that our Navy had intentionally destroyed the plane.

Well, we did. It irritated the Hell out of me at the time, the way the Navy kept referring to this as "an accident," like somebody'd tripped over his shoelaces and fallen on the 'launch' button, when it was clearly a 'mistake', a deliberate act done in error.

Good at responsibility, those admirals.

34 posted on 11/17/2007 6:30:19 AM PST by Grut
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To: DoughtyOne
“The Navy also admits there was a training exercise in the TWA 800 vicinity on the night of the TWA 800 incident.”

When you’re at sea, you train 24/7, even off the east coast.

There’s no way in hell the Navy would be firing missiles off Long Island. If you saw the amount of “COM AIR” in that area on a radar display, you’d understand why.

I don’t know what happened to 800 but it was not the Navy.

The Vincennes was in a hostile area. EW’s were picking up AWG-9 emissions on the same bearing as the Airbus. They thought the Airbus was an Iranian F-14.

35 posted on 11/17/2007 6:42:17 AM PST by ryan71
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To: Sioux-san
More on the background for the downing of TWA 800.

More pointless rantings by clueless kook Cashill.

I still get a chuckle about his big expose that a "source" told him a Tomahawk missile (a low altitude ground attack missile) accidentally hit TWA 800 going for its "center of mass" (the Tomahawk does not have a radar seeker head designed to target moving targets).

36 posted on 11/17/2007 6:45:12 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: matthew fuller
There was at least one book written about this incident, speculating that it could have been a navy training (inert) missle

We don't shoot "inert" missiles. The "bluebirds" are on the rails when you go in and out of port and to conduct training but cannot launch. White missiles are the warshots, and those are fully functional. It may have been a missile, which I agree, but it was not a Navy missile.

37 posted on 11/17/2007 6:48:30 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Grut

The Navy did not shoot down TWA 800. Go blame someone else.


38 posted on 11/17/2007 6:52:20 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: matthew fuller
This has been beaten to death. "Mythbusters" proved that in fact a spark could set off a MORE powerful fuel tank explosion under identical circumstances as TWA 800. Radar shows no such thing.

No "inert" missile is used in excercises, and if it was, then a TARGET missile would have been present too (not). Sometimes, as in the JFK assassination, the most obvious, simple facts are the correct ones.

And it's amazing to me how many military-loving Freepers will assume that HUNDREDS of sailors and officers would keep their mouths shut about such an incident had it occurred. Yet not one single "leak" in eight years? come on.

39 posted on 11/17/2007 7:33:39 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: Sioux-san

Submarines don’t fire “standard” type missiles.


40 posted on 11/17/2007 7:34:22 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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