Skip to comments.In Paul They Trust (The Feds May Differ)
Posted on 11/17/2007 3:23:45 AM PST by xtinct
The ardent supporters of Rep. Ron Paul, the iconoclastic Texas libertarian whose campaign for the presidency is threatening to upend the battle for the Republican nomination, got word yesterday of a new source of outrage and motivation: reports of a federal raid on a company that was selling thousands of coins marked with the craggy visage of their hero.
Federal agents on Thursday raided the Evansville, Ind., headquarters of the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and Internal Revenue Code (Norfed), an organization of "sound money" advocates that for the past decade has been selling a private currency it calls "Liberty Dollars." The company says it has put into circulation more than $20 million in Liberty Dollars, coins and paper certificates it contends are backed by silver and gold stored in Idaho, are far more reliable than a U.S. dollar and are accepted for use by a nationwide underground economy.
snip...................................... In the affidavit, an FBI special agent states that he is investigating Norfed for federal violations including "uttering coins of gold, silver, or other metal," "making or possessing likeness of coins," mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering and conspiracy. "The goal of Norfed is to undermine the United States government's financial systems by the issuance of a non-governmental competing currency for the purpose of repealing the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code," he states. snip....
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An Indiana group was sending out its "Ron Paul Dollars" when federal agents stepped in.
Ron Paul gets the award for being one of the more fascinating and colorful people who've run for president since Ross Perot's bid in the 90s.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I suspect Libertarians are for open borders. No?
Simple question for you Paulbots.
HOW and WHAT would Ron Paul do as President?
Here is his “issues” page. Not a word on what or how he would do anything. Just a bunch of slogans screaming bile at everything and everyone. No idea, no plans, just a bunch of slogans designed stictly to push the emotions of the political fringes run together and called an agenda.
For people who scream so loudly about the US Constitution, the Paulbots demonstrate pretty much a total lack of any understanding of how our Constitutional Republic works.
I'm mostly referring to the fact that his followers have minted his own coin, his campaign collected $4 million dollars on the Internet yesterday, and he apparently has a very large young group of supporters (like Howard Dean).
I was musing over the same thing. What's the point of touring high schools and rallying young students who can't even vote, and haven't a clue how our constitutional republic works?
Like Howard Dean, come election day his ballot box will be empty.
Nope. They are just as divided on that as the GOP is. Same with Life. Same with the War. Peter Swartz of the Ayn Rand Foundation has several articles on War and Morality, the Just Cause for War and why America IS the World’s only Policeman. Yet Paul disagrees with that one on Globalism theory. So, no not even Big L Libertarians agree on the big three issues in 2008.
But I think it's amusing when quirky people run for president
Seems as if L has become a sink for all sorts of recalcitrance. Lack of respect for any authority is their credo.
Haiti is, by choice, the only functioning anarchy in the West. When Aristide abolished the military he severed the final thread of respect for authority. Haitians prefer no government to any government.
Would Libertarians prefer that we model ourselves on that sinkhole?
Does anybody remember the name of the independent candidate for governor in Nevada back in the ‘70s who advocated Nevada having it’s own currency?
You mean like “fuzzy math”....”bring it on”.....”comprehensive immigration reform”...”evildoers”.....oh...and “compassionate conservatism”?
You’re too funny.
This needs to be stopped if this is true.
You might know the guy’s name would be Nuthaus...Oh! Sorry Not...Nothaus.
That’s one ugly coin. They should have gotten JSG Boggs to design it.
Ron Paul: "D'OHHH! Why are my slavishly fawning and servile camp followers all such complete and utter tools -- ?!?"
As I stated in the other thread about the same issue: I guess they use Ron Paul Dollar because Canadians already have The Loonie?
Oh, and if by “fascinating and colorful” you mean “insane, with moonie-like followers,” you are correct about Ron Paul.
MNJohnnie wrote: “Here is his issues page. Not a word on what or how he would do anything.”
Each issue has a drill-down link to a discussion of proposed solutions. Here’s one:
Border Security and Immigration Reform
The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:
Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. Thats a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.
I think the ones who have no problem with continuing the status-quo are the ones who are insane. Or worse.
It should be no surprise that the Fed’s would stop anyone attempting to offer a more secure alternative to the Dollar. If this group has done nothing illegal, a new crime will be made up for them.
Everything you posted in the 'discussion page' is exactly what MNJohnnie said, nothing more than slogans with no specific step by step approach for anything. There are no details, just rhetoric.
See to answer “how” Paul would have to be saying something like this below. The whole problem with him is his whole campaign is based on misdirection and emotional hysteria, not a serious rational discussion of the issues of the day.
Paul might be taken seriously by thinking people if he said something like this instead of merely spewing slogans.
On Federal Spending. Federal Spending is out of control. To put our fiscal house in order my Administration will work with the Congress to pass a Balanced Budget Amendment to the US Constitution. I will work with Congress to abolish base line budgeting, eliminate earmarks, impose strict pay as you go rules for new spending. In my 1st term, I will reduce the federal deficit to zero and return our Govt budget to surplus. To achieve that goal, I will impose a mandatory 2 increase% cap on all executive agencies budgets, require a top to bottom review of all agency functions and reduce or eliminate departments x-y-z.
That is just the 1st step. Serious budget reform can only take place when we reform both the tax code and the systems of entitlements we have created. There has been no serious Social Security or Medicare reform since the systems were created! Obvious a system that is 75 years old in one case, and 40 years old in the other are way over due for an overhaul.
To overhaul these systems I will introduce legislation to the Congress that will privatize the following parts of both the Medicare and Social Security systems...
That is an example of answers that tell us HOW a politician plans to do something. Nothing in Paul’s campaign does any of this. All he does is spew reckless demagoguery based on Talk Radio culled slogans designed to push the emotional hot buttons of a certain fringe segments of the US population Too bad for them we don't elect a President simply for spewing the best sounding rhetoric on this emotional hot button issue or that one. We elect a President on the base of his whole agenda.
Aw, all candidates talk more about what than how. Paul cites a few bills he had introduced on different issue topics. The question on how he would secure the borders, though, is a good, one a commander-in-chief could actually address rather directly. I will look to see what he has said on it.
As to the thornier issues, resolving all of them depends on building a will to act in Congress, and RP does tap into a will to change ther status quo.
There are many frogs being boiled by the incrementalism of growing government who tell themselves, “it’s just a pleasant hot tub.” But you know, it’s more than hot enough for me right now. That is my impetus for watching this election and sounding out the various candidates (though really, the prez can only do so much). I am tired of safe choice/status quo candidates. With Ron Paul and the others, I ask myself “what’s the best that could happen?/what’s the worst that could happen?” Folks have been pretty vocal here on FR about outlining the worst. I try to dig into the other side.
Ps - Free Pissant!
Printing your own money isn’t as illegal as some think. After all, just what are those “coupons” we get in the mail every day but privately printed (and backed) money? Sure, the value of each of them is minuscule but they add up. Otherwise the companies wouldn’t bother.
Now, we hear that privately minted and backed coins and paper currency are “illegal.” Why? Is it because they are more valuable than the junk distributed by the government-subsidised Federal Reserve?
As usual, after the trumped-up charges against the principals are dropped, the valuables seized by our ever-benificent government will be held until doomsday “for safekeeping.”
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