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More see immigration as a cultural threat
Houston Chronicle ^ | LESLIE CASIMIR

Posted on 11/17/2007 7:38:32 AM PST by Dubya

An anti-illegal immigrant sentiment is taking hold in the Houston region, according to a new Rice University survey showing that most white residents in Fort Bend, Galveston and Montgomery counties favor punishing employers who hire undocumented workers.

The survey, released Thursday, reflects how contentious the illegal immigration debate has become and provides a fresh glimpse into regional attitudes about a subject that's increasingly becoming a major presidential election issue.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2late; aliens; borderslanguage; culturalsuicide; culture; immigrantlist; nationalsuicide; rico
Most of region's whites (LEGGAL PEOPLE) also want

those who hire undocumented workers punished

1 posted on 11/17/2007 7:38:33 AM PST by Dubya
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To: Dubya

An awful lot of Blacks, Hispanics and Asians in my area feel the same way so it’s not just a “White” thing as the MSM would have us believe.


2 posted on 11/17/2007 7:40:09 AM PST by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: Dubya

Here we go again. This will taken as proof of rampant xenophobia. Yet, while it’s okay for blacks, hispanics, Chinese, and every other minority dominated culture to want to preserve their heritage somehow whites with a European heritage will be seen as evil for wanting to preserve theirs.


4 posted on 11/17/2007 7:45:08 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Dubya
"I think this is mostly lip service," said Aleman, 60, president of the League of Latin American Citizens, or LULAC, who lives in Galveston. "The national trend is Hispanics are being bashed for all the problems in society, but the fact is immigrants are needed here."

Notice he doesn't deny that "hispanics are being bashed (for being the cause) for all the problems in society" but simply shrugs it off as though the "need" for immigrants outweighs the "problems".

5 posted on 11/17/2007 7:48:34 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: raybbr

Hispanics have an European culture. Exactly what is your European culture? Shouldn’t we just develop an American culture?


6 posted on 11/17/2007 7:57:59 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: Eternal_Bear
Hispanics have an European culture. Exactly what is your European culture? Shouldn’t we just develop an American culture?

Not according to today's definition. Hispanic is a seperate culture/race. Just look at a Census form.

Nor do they equate themselves with any European culture. If you have proof to the contrary I would like to see it.

As far as an "American" culture that already exists. It's those that advocate a "new America" that are trying to change the culture.

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

Our future cannot be separated from the future of Latin America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

7 posted on 11/17/2007 8:02:03 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Eternal_Bear

“shouldn’t we just develop an American culture?”

I believe that has already been accomplished. If you mean turning that into a third world culture, then we are on our way.


8 posted on 11/17/2007 8:03:39 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Dubya

Anyone who thinks it is just whites who are against illegal immigration should check out www.dontspeakforme.org.


9 posted on 11/17/2007 8:07:05 AM PST by Cuchulain ("...never treat with the enemy; never surrender to his mercy, but fight to the finish.")
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To: Post-Neolithic
Blacks have suffered from immigration and illegal aliens.

For many a turning point came when illegal aliens started waving flags of Mexico and other Latin countries and demanded perks.

10 posted on 11/17/2007 8:10:29 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Post-Neolithic

Also, the blacks and mexicans who are on the welfare/entitlement program dole need to wake up and realize that there’s going to be a lot less of the pie going to them as the illegals start grabbing their “share”.


11 posted on 11/17/2007 8:23:55 AM PST by cowdog77 (" Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?")
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To: Eternal_Bear
Hispanics have an European culture. Exactly what is your European culture? Shouldn’t we just develop an American culture?

Further: How do we develope any thing other than an hispanic culture when 80% of immigrants both legal and illegal are hispanic? What happened to the melting pot? Is it now restricted to a "chili pot"?

12 posted on 11/17/2007 8:37:33 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Eternal_Bear

I agree with you. After all, Hispanics are predominantly Roman Catholic.


13 posted on 11/17/2007 8:44:56 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Dubya
I strongly suspect that no one on the tread will be willing to discuss the last section of this article, "Path to Citizenship"

"62% agreed that illegal immigrants should be granted citizenship"

14 posted on 11/17/2007 8:54:43 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Cuchulain

“Anyone who thinks it is just whites who are against illegal immigration should check out www.dontspeakforme.org.”

That did my heart good to see that site. I love especially that there is a Citizenship Resources that includes English Language Training, Care and Handling of the US Flag, the US Constitution, and the Pledge of Allegiance.
These are immigrants...whom I wholeheartedly and unabashedly support and encourage. Big difference between them and ILLEGALS!
God bless them and may they speak up more.


15 posted on 11/17/2007 9:25:57 AM PST by donnab (saving liberals brains....one moron at a time.)
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To: Dubya
Only the responses of white residents were used in
questions about immigrants
,
Klineberg said, because the non-Anglo percentages in the four
counties varied widely.


Now there's a RACIST way of doing a survey.
(surely there are all sorts of statistical methods that could have
been employed to use responses from a DIVERSE population).

This sounds like a survey purposely employed to make non-whites
look/sound like knucle-dragging members of the KKK.

And purposely constructed to NOT reveal that plenty of NON-whites
citizens are also ticked about the invasion of OUR country.
16 posted on 11/17/2007 9:35:46 AM PST by VOA
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To: Dante3

“Blacks have suffered from immigration and illegal aliens.”

Preceding generations of African-American voters did it to themselves.
They voted lock-step for Democrats in favor of NOT enforcing immigration
law for decades...
long enough that some Republicans decided to get elected by following
the lead of the Democrats.

This has led to a sad situation for blacks today. They are paying a
high price for the unbending loyalty of their forbearors to the Democratic Party.


17 posted on 11/17/2007 9:40:18 AM PST by VOA
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To: donnab

“God bless them and may they speak up more.”

We do all the time but we are not heard....

ILLEGAL ALIENS AND THEIR APOLOGISTS ARE ANTI-IMMIGRATION


18 posted on 11/17/2007 9:48:46 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Dubya
It is a lot more than a mere cultural threat. It is an economic and a military one as well. Greed and avarice of the ruling elites is the driving force.



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19 posted on 11/17/2007 9:53:18 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Dubya
59 percent in mainland Galveston County believe the immigrant influx "mostly threatens American culture."

And the other 41%?

Stupid?

Or just sleepwalking?

20 posted on 11/17/2007 9:59:27 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

“And the other 41%?”

Illegals or employers that hire them.


21 posted on 11/17/2007 10:11:26 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (We have become an oligarchy not a Republic.)
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To: raybbr
Yes, men wearing dresses and people thinking that's high comedy ~ get real ~ we have our own history and culture. The Brits are tolerated only because of close blood ties within families and the fact they speak passable English from time to time.
22 posted on 11/17/2007 11:27:23 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Dubya

Here’s my standard post. We can do something about Illegal immigration.
RICO —Citizen Recourse
Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include nonprofit associations.
Here’s what I’ve been pushing: it’s time to file Racketeering, Influencing, and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) lawsuits.
RICO lawyers could turn it around in a few years and MAKE MONEY at the same time. I’m surprised they haven’t done it already.
In the absence of enforcement, we can get the word out in the meantime that there is money to be made in filing RICO lawsuits against employers who hire illegal aliens.
Employers would have no trouble shutting down the border if they could get sued by someone under the RICO statutes for hiring these people in the first place. The next time an illegal alien kills someone in a drunk driving accident or somesuch thing, I’m going to point out that the victim’s family might be able to seek compensation from the employer under these statutes in the hopes that it would catch on. If this did catch on, would see such a swift backlash against illegal immigration that no employer would go near these people and they’ll all simply want to go back home.
Hunter is the best candidate on Immigration.

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Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
Self ^ | 11/11/07 | Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts
Posted on 11/15/2007 3:43:17 AM PST by Kevmo

Hunter’s criticism of Thompson over this issue is well aimed. We need someone in the white house who isn’t a johnny-come-lately on this issue.
Road to Des Moines Conversions on Immigration (Hunter Press release)
News Which Cannot Lose ^ | 10/25/07 | Duncan Hunter/staff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1916889/posts


23 posted on 11/17/2007 11:49:34 AM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

“62% agreed that illegal immigrants should be granted citizenship”

...62% of what group? Show the source URL, please.


24 posted on 11/17/2007 11:55:22 AM PST by RavenATB
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To: RavenATB

Did you consider reading the article at the top of the thread?


25 posted on 11/17/2007 1:18:21 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Cacique
Dang it, Cacique! Now I have to go to the library and withstand the loathing glare from the buzz-cutted dyke who runs the joint.

"Can I help you find something, young man (whose wrists are disconcertingly inflexible)?"

"I'm looking for the latest Ann Coulter book."

She visibly paled, then took on a reddish cast. "We keep those on that shelf over there", she squeaked while simultaneously pointing and backing away. True story.

26 posted on 11/18/2007 12:13:16 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: Eternal_Bear
Develop one? Here I thought we already had our own culture. You know the one that has been the most vibrant and influential culture on earth for the past 200 years?
27 posted on 11/18/2007 3:46:37 AM PST by mthom
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To: muawiyah
Yes, men wearing dresses and people thinking that's high comedy ~ get real ~ we have our own history and culture.

What on earth are you talking about?

The Brits are tolerated only because of close blood ties within families and the fact they speak passable English from time to time.

Funny. I still don't know what your point is.

28 posted on 11/18/2007 5:15:05 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: raybbr

Read “W”’s words. That’s what I’m responding to.


29 posted on 11/18/2007 5:38:58 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Read “W”’s words. That’s what I’m responding to.

Okay. I still don't get it. W says nothing about men in dresses...

30 posted on 11/18/2007 5:51:35 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: raybbr
British culture~!!!

Doing drag is a big thing on their TV shows.

31 posted on 11/18/2007 5:55:53 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: mthom
Our culture is always evolving. Culture is very rarely static. Actually we have several different American cultures. Urban New York culture is very different from rural southern culture. Which should the hispanics adopt?

Strong cultures always win out in the end. Weak cultures die out. That is how it works in the real world. Why worry?

32 posted on 11/18/2007 6:44:41 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: Ben Ficklin
“Did you consider reading the article at the top of the thread?”

Yes, in fact, I did. But your quote didn’t mention the qualifiers they stated that you conveniently ignored in your statement, like the requirement that they speak English and have no criminal records. The fact is that your statement as written in your post is nothing but a lie, as proven by the article to which you refer.

33 posted on 11/26/2007 7:35:23 PM PST by RavenATB
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To: RavenATB
Your use of terms "didn't mention qualifiers", "conveniently ignored", and "nothing but a lie" is another indication that you are poorly informed.

All of these polls thru-out the past few years include the qualifiers. Additionally, all the legislation that has been considered includes the qualifiers.

The qualifiers are automatically assumed to be part of it.

When was the last time you heard someone say the sun is rising in the east? Nobody uses the qualifier "in the east" because everyone knows the where the sun rises.

There are other accepted qualifiers that I didn't mention and that you are not aware of.

The polling percentages vary by state. The percent supporting amnesty will be higher in California than in Georgia.

Democrats support amnesty in higher percentages than Republicans.

Likewise, hispanics support amnesty more than whites.

Another accepted qualifier is deportation. While the poll mentioned in this article indicates that 48% of GOP respondents support amnesty, it doesn't mention that about 30% of GOP respondents support mass deportations. While the 30% may vary(25%-33%) thru time and place, all of the polls indicate that a significant number of GOPers consistently support deportation. Consistently enough to be an accepted qualifier.

34 posted on 11/28/2007 5:19:08 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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