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Some Date! (Highschool/College Scene: No Date, No Dance, Just Hanging Out and Hooking Up?)
Wall Street Journal ^ | November 1, 2007 | Jeff Zaslow

Posted on 11/17/2007 4:53:59 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o

Last month, a boy asked my 16-year-old daughter to his school's homecoming dance. She agreed to go, bought a new dress and made a hairdresser appointment.

The boy never bought tickets to the dance. Neither did his friends. They decided that attending homecoming wouldn't be cool, and instead planned to just dress up that night, go out for dinner and then hang out with their dates at someone's house.

My daughter was disappointed, as were her girlfriends. They would have loved to have been taken to the dance, to show off their dresses, to see and be seen.

At 6 p.m. on the night of the boycotted dance, about a dozen of these girls and their dates gathered in one boy's backyard so a mob of parents could photograph them. I found it dispiriting. My heart went out to those girls -- all dressed up with no place to go. Couldn't we, as parents, have demanded that the boys take our daughters to the dance? Why did we stand there, clicking our digital cameras, saying nothing?

I live in suburban Detroit, but this phenomenon is playing out elsewhere in the country, too -- a telling example of the indifference with which young people today view dating, chivalry and romance.

Studies, of course, show more young people skipping romantic relationships in favor of "hooking up." As teens socialize in packs, forgo one-on-one dating and trade sex nonchalantly, it is no stretch to find that boys are asking girls to homecoming and not bothering to take them there. But with so many young people ignoring once-sacrosanct dating rites, how can we respond?

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Is this true? Is this the way it works these days? It sounds so sad for the kids, so depressing...
1 posted on 11/17/2007 4:54:03 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s true.


2 posted on 11/17/2007 4:56:08 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Sure isn't the way it is around here.

In fact, my daughter's high school has a series of dances that begins in the freshman year. It's sponsored by the parent association and a couple of local clubs. They have an etiquette and dance coaching session ahead of time, separate ones for boys and girls.

By the time the senior prom rolls around, the kids are quite confident that they will know what to do, and they really enjoy it. They have a sit down dinner, a dance, and a VERY early breakfast before they all roll home to bed.

3 posted on 11/17/2007 4:57:01 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Sure thats the way it works these days. Ask yourself why. They have no wisdom, and young ladies will simply evolve to dating much older young men than they are.So do not be surprised to see many more sixteen year old girls wanting to date 24 year old men. Its sure to happen. NAd unfortunately they are right.

Parents these days do everything they can to retard their boys from growing up.

4 posted on 11/17/2007 4:59:43 PM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: Tax-chick; Flavius; Gingersnap; toast; ApplegateRanch

Comment?


5 posted on 11/17/2007 4:59:52 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Check out these two articles:

New York Times 2004:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990DE2DB173EF933A05756C0A9629C8B63

San Francisco Chronicle 2007:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/11/16/EDEOTD66H.DTL&hw=parker&sn=003&sc=544

6 posted on 11/17/2007 5:00:33 PM PST by Thud
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Sure thats the way it works these days. Ask yourself why.

Young men are no longer evolving to be men until they are in their late 20s ( if they are lucky). They stay boys much , much longer, refuse individual responsibility or structure, and think they have an inate wisdom which they must exercise in order to cope.

They have no wisdom, and young ladies will simply evolve to dating much older young men than they are.So do not be surprised to see many more sixteen year old girls wanting to date 24 year old men. Its sure to happen. And unfortunately they are right.

Parents these days do everything they can to retard their boys from growing up.

7 posted on 11/17/2007 5:00:45 PM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Romance and planning out in detail and having a good, memorable date, seems to be vanishing. I think it is true.

I have visited some US college campuses recently and it seems to also be a victim of political correctness. Girls and boys dressing up nicely and showing a little class--gone. It all looks so trampy and low class and casual and non commital these days. I watched college (male) freshmen just let heavy doors at book store simply slam close on the face of women behind them coming in--not thought to being a real man. I would say, not only romance, but gentlemanly manners and chivalry seem long dead at these places.

8 posted on 11/17/2007 5:00:56 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (AmericanInTokyo; Count THIS Freeper as solidly behind DUNCAN HUNTER 2008!!!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
...how can we respond?

It would take a cultural revolution in this country lasting several decades to repair the damage caused by the feminist movement and the sexual revolution that resulted in making it easier for men to use women and left women and children holding the bag.

It would take a revolution back to the principles and common belief system that existed in America up until the 1960s, and it would take everyone in the country determined to reverse course and change the way they raise their children.

It ain't gonna happen.

9 posted on 11/17/2007 5:01:17 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Mrs. Don-o
But with so many young people ignoring once-sacrosanct dating rites, how can we respond?

Democrats would respond by giving them condoms.

10 posted on 11/17/2007 5:01:40 PM PST by rickmichaels (God Bless America, Land That I Love)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Part of me blames today's females, who have so cheapened themselves by becoming the very thing their mothers criticized men for being - horndogs who wanted to get it on. Today's females are now acting like those horndogs, hooking up, playing for the one night stands, bragging about it the next day to girlfriends.

Well, the boys have taken their cues from the girls. You don't act like a lady, you don't get treated like one. Have no expectations and the boys will accommodate you.

The young men of 50 years ago had the same hormones, the same testosterone, the same desires......and yet they bought the corsages and opened the doors for their dates, and walked them to their front doors. Why don't they do that anymore?

Because they know they don't have to, and they'll still get laid.

11 posted on 11/17/2007 5:01:56 PM PST by Lizavetta ( Politicians: When they're speaking, they're lying - when they're not speaking, they're stealing.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Why would anyone want to volunteer to be screened for alcohol, drugs, pocket knives, Midol, balloons, doughnuts or whatever only to be "supervised" by a bunch of pedophile union thug government schoolteachers once they get inside?

I would just bag the whole thing myself.

12 posted on 11/17/2007 5:02:30 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Only for the girls who have no self respect and boys who have been trained to be jerks.

My dad would have politely but firmly told the boy to go away and then driven me to the dance where I would have bought my own ticket and had a good time.

I would also make sure that every person in the school knew that this jerk may talk big but it was just talk.

By the parents of the girls letting the boys get away with that behavior and the parents of the boys tactically approving of it they are saying that it is ok for the boys to lie. They are saying that the girls not worthy of being consulted on what they wanted.

Not good lessons for them to be learning at that age.

And no, from what I have heard, this is not the way it works these days. This is an exception rather then the rule.

13 posted on 11/17/2007 5:04:35 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: Lizavetta

...and yet they bought the corsages and opened the doors for their dates, and walked them to their front doors. Why don’t they do that anymore?


Hey, I do all of that!

Of course I’m about 40 years old...


14 posted on 11/17/2007 5:05:07 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Bunch of no-talent wannabe playas with no-talent wannabe parents. These gals should have dumped them from word “go.”


15 posted on 11/17/2007 5:05:27 PM PST by piytar
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To: Mrs. Don-o

These young men simply were not raised properly....and their parents should’nt be blaming anyone else for it...


16 posted on 11/17/2007 5:06:33 PM PST by mo
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The biggest problem is that most of these young men don’t have models of correct behavior. How can they learn if they’re not taught?


17 posted on 11/17/2007 5:07:55 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: vladimir998
But why is it true? And how can I help my two teenage boys ---

Good Lord, I think of my father and mother, growing up in the Depression, who had lots of friends who liked to sing, dance, play musical instruments, go to movies, ---oh, take walks, even. Knew how to be friends, how to date and how to court ---Knew how to have a good time---

I'm rambling because I don't quite know what to say. This hang out, hook up thing isn't fun or liberated or anything. It's just depressing. Don't you think so?

18 posted on 11/17/2007 5:08:48 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I think that perhaps what’s underlying this is not some emphasis on “hooking up,” but the same realization that is driving people to homeschool. That realization would be that the official “school” and it’s functions, are just an expensive, joyless, bureaucratic simulacrum of real education and of real socialization.

Why spend good money and time to go to a dance organized by mindless, domineering, timeserving government drones? Instead, you and your friends could go to the type of place, like a good restaurant or movie theatre, or even a private dance hall, that will cater to you and that is nice enough to actually attract people who have choices.

Seems like a simple choice to me. Just because some school board can maintain the Potemkin Village appearance of a fun time does not mean that children should want to be part of that deception.

19 posted on 11/17/2007 5:09:16 PM PST by Jubal Harshaw
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To: AnAmericanMother

This sounds wonderful. What kind of high school is this?


20 posted on 11/17/2007 5:09:40 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Interesting, my son's girlfriend was the Homecoming Queen, last year. Everyone got dressed up to the nines, attended the dance and had a great time! I even had to run out to pick up a dozen roses that my son ordered from the local florist. He was sooooo proud! They have been dating for three and a half years.

LOL!We lovingly refer to her as "the wife" :).

22 posted on 11/17/2007 5:10:05 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (Ron Paul is nutcase, plain & simple.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I’d guess that at least one if not more of those boys aren’t allowed to go to homecoming for discipline or academic reasons and that’s why it all of a sudden isn’t “cool” to go.

Tough break for those girls that swoon over bad boys.


23 posted on 11/17/2007 5:11:15 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: mombyprofession

Not with my daughter, you don’t.
I’m sure its nothing new in parenting, but I’m not looking forward to my little girl getting to this age.


25 posted on 11/17/2007 5:13:53 PM PST by FreedomHammer (Just ring? ... let freedom ROAR!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Last month, a boy asked my 16-year-old daughter to his school’s homecoming dance.”

10 Rules For Dating My Daughter

Rule One:

If you pull into my driveway and honk you’d better be delivering a package, because you’re sure not picking anything up.

Rule Two:

You do not touch my daughter in front of me. You may glance at her, so long as you do not peer at anything below her neck. If you cannot keep your eyes or hands off of my daughter’s body, I will remove them.

Rule Three:

I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys of your age to wear their trousers so loosely that they appear to be falling off their hips. Please don’t take this as an insult, but you and all of your friends are complete idiots. Still, I want to be fair and open minded about this issue, so I propose his compromise: You may come to the door with your underwear showing and your pants ten sizes too big, and I will not object. However, in order to ensure that your clothes do not, in fact, come off during the course of your date with my daughter, I will take my electric nail gun and fasten your trousers securely in place to your waist.

Rule Four:

I’m sure you’ve been told that in today’s world, sex without utilising a “barrier method” of some kind can kill you. Let me elaborate, when it comes to sex, I am the barrier, and I will kill you.

Rule Five:

It is usually understood that in order for us to get to know each other, we should talk about sports, politics, and other issues of the day. Please do not do this. The only information I require from you is an indication of when you expect to have my daughter safely back at my house, and the only word I need from you on this subject is “early.”

Rule Six:

I have no doubt you are a popular fellow, with many opportunities to date other girls. This is fine with me as long as it is okay with my daughter. Otherwise, once you have gone out with my little girl, you will continue to date no one but her until she is finished with you. If you make her cry, I will make you cry.

Rule Seven:

As you stand in my front hallway, waiting for my daughter to appear, and more than an hour goes by, do not sigh and fidget. If you want to be on time for the movie, you should not be dating. My daughter is putting on her makeup, a process that can take longer than painting the Golden Gate Bridge. Instead of just standing there, why don’t you do something useful, like changing the oil in my car?

Rule Eight:

The following places are not appropriate for a date with my daughter: Places where there are beds, sofas, or anything softer than a wooden stool. Places where there are no parents, policemen, or nuns within eyesight. Places where there is darkness. Places where there is dancing, holding hands, or happiness. Places where the ambient temperature is warm enough to induce my daughter to wear shorts, tank tops, midriff T-shirts, or anything other than overalls, a sweater, and a goose down parka - zipped up to her throat. Movies with a strong romantic or sexual theme are to be avoided; movies which features chain saws are okay. Hockey games are okay. Old folks homes are better.

Rule Nine:

Do not lie to me. I may appear to be a pot-bellied, balding, middle-aged, dim-witted has-been. But on issues relating to my daughter, I am the all-knowing, merciless god of your universe. If I ask you where you are going and with whom, you have one chance to tell me the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I have a shotgun, a shovel, and five acres behind the house. Do not trifle with me.

Rule Ten:

Be afraid. Be very afraid. It takes very little for me to mistake the sound of your car in the driveway for a chopper coming in over a rice paddy near Hanoi. When my Agent Orange starts acting up, the voices in my head frequently tell me to clean the guns as I wait for you to bring my daughter home. As soon as you pull into the driveway you should exit your car with both hands in plain sight. Speak the perimeter password, announce in a clear voice that you have brought my daughter home safely and early, then return to your car - there is no need for you to come inside. The camouflaged face at the window is mine.


26 posted on 11/17/2007 5:15:20 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: FreedomHammer

Stay on your guard and keep her away from the “bad boys”.


27 posted on 11/17/2007 5:15:33 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (Ron Paul is nutcase, plain & simple.)
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To: Lizavetta

I think you hit the nail on the head.

Even 35 years ago, I dated my future wife in this way. When my sons started dating, I instructed them, as did my wife, in how they should act.

One thing they learned the hard way was that I would brook no disrespect to their mother in my presence or out of my presence. They were talking to my wife, and no one disrespects her in any way.

I’ve have told them to marry a girl who is just like their mother, with her qualities. They tell me about the girls today, and I remind them not to sink to that level. The right girl is out there, and if she is not readily apparent yet, that is no excuse for you to be and act like an animal.

My daughter also has high standards. Our rule was—if a boy wants to takes you out, he meets me first. I want to meet him, talk with him, find out some things about him and set the time line for returning my daughter to my house. She is my daughter, not his plaything.

Dads, don’t let society tell you that you can not set the ground rules. It’s your job. Your daughters and sons secretly want you to. If you don’t, then don’t be disappointed when they rise to the level you set.


28 posted on 11/17/2007 5:15:44 PM PST by exit82 (I believe Juanita--Hillary enabled Juanita's rapist.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
Hey, I do all of that! Of course I’m about 40 years old...

Then you are way too old to be taking girls to High School Homecoming dances!!

29 posted on 11/17/2007 5:17:19 PM PST by jdub
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To: Candor7

I don’t think the young women are growing up any faster than the young men. Part of it seems to be that nothing in life seems to be permanent these days, whether it be jobs, careers, or relationships. I really think we have to blame both government and corporate America for not allowing even the best and brightest highly skilled jobs and careers to endure for more than few years. Yes, Globalism is affecting this, and it affects the children, trite as that may sound.

Politicians of both major parties often are often from second and third generation political families, who have never had real world jobs in their life. So the decisions they make often do not favor real world America. Illegal immigration is just one of those out of touch issues.

Another thing that amazes me is that many young women in their late teens and early twenties seem to no longer wear rings, at least not on their fingers! They used to wear one if not many rings on theit fingers to signify that they were in a more than short term relationship.


30 posted on 11/17/2007 5:19:02 PM PST by LongTimeMILurker
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To: lowbridge
I love your “Rule 9”! Minus the pot bellied and balding part. Hubby & I always asked the “questions”, whether they liked it or not.

All your rules are great advice for every parent!

31 posted on 11/17/2007 5:20:52 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (Ron Paul is nutcase, plain & simple.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
this is the Playboy philosophy....which btw preceeded the feminist ideology.....

sex should be emotionless, without attachments, with the use of the female using birth control of course, because we wouldn't want to slow down our young men any with fatherhood....

society is going to get what it wants and its going to get it good and hard...

32 posted on 11/17/2007 5:21:03 PM PST by cherry
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To: Mrs. Don-o
But why is it true?

Because a half century of feminist propaganda disseminated by the eduKKKrats have told them that's the way they should behave.

And how can I help my two teenage boys ---

I don't know if you can help them, other than making very clear the consequences like STD's and how much it will cost them if they get somebody knocked up. There are simply too many girls around who put out without asking for anything in return. Guys have always been this way. It was the girls who said no. If the girls don't say no, the guys sure as hell aren't going to.

33 posted on 11/17/2007 5:21:51 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON/ DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Not the way it happened here - daughter went to dance with a friend (a boy who happened to be a friend, not a boyfriend) and a group of kids. Went to dinner, cruised to some houses for pictures, then stayed at dance and had a blast.

You are right - that does sound very depressing!

34 posted on 11/17/2007 5:23:03 PM PST by SoftballMominVA (Never wrestle with a pig; he wants to get dirty anyway.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You wrote:

“But why is it true?”

Because many teenagers have been led to believe that the old ways are boring, outmoded, and require too much effort and emotional investment.

“And how can I help my two teenage boys -—”

Teach them the old ways. Seriously, teach them to dance (ballroom dance). They’ll hate you now, but thank you later. If you have to, resort to outright bribery. It’s worth it.

“Good Lord, I think of my father and mother, growing up in the Depression, who had lots of friends who liked to sing, dance, play musical instruments, go to movies, -—oh, take walks, even. Knew how to be friends, how to date and how to court -—Knew how to have a good time-—”

Great. Now throw away your TV and computer and buy a piano instead. Sing as a family. No, I’m not kidding. I remember Professor John Senior giving that advice years ago:

“First, negatively, smash the television set. The Catholic Church is not opposed to violence; only to unjust violence; so smash the television set. And, positively, put the time and money you now spend on such entertainment into a piano so that music is restored to your home, common, ordinary Christian music, much of which is very simple to play.”
(Senior, Restoration of Christian Culture)

“I’m rambling because I don’t quite know what to say. This hang out, hook up thing isn’t fun or liberated or anything. It’s just depressing. Don’t you think so?”

Yep. I deal with it head on all the time. I know far too many teenagers in my town. They are wonderful kids in so many ways, but messed up too and so obviously tainted by this world.


35 posted on 11/17/2007 5:23:27 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Lizavetta
You don't act like a lady, you don't get treated like one.

That's part of it.

However, the blame is not entirely on the girls. We guys should treat all females with the same respect and dignity that would otherwise be accorded to our mothers and our sisters, irrespective of how the girls are acting. It's part of being a gentleman.

And most of the blame lies at the feet of parents who don't teach (by example) their children how to act as ladies and gentlemen.

36 posted on 11/17/2007 5:25:01 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering * Go Hoos! * Fred Thompson 2008)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Missing fathers.


37 posted on 11/17/2007 5:25:32 PM PST by donna (ADHD - Absent Dad/Husband Disorder)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I dunno, my daughter got taken to Homecoming dances and to the junior and senior proms, as well as annual JROTC balls at which the young gentlemen dressed in their fine uniforms. This was just a couple of years ago. We live near Washington DC.


38 posted on 11/17/2007 5:25:48 PM PST by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: lowbridge
I am aware that it is considered fashionable for boys of your age to wear their trousers so loosely that they appear to be falling off their hips. Please don’t take this as an insult, but you and all of your friends are complete idiots.

Thank goodness this fad is starting to fade - especially among the skater kids. They are going for very snug pants. Even the white kids are going tighter. Only the ghetto kids and the wanna be's are wearing the super loose pants.

At least that's how it is in NoVa - things may be different in your corner of the world.

39 posted on 11/17/2007 5:27:13 PM PST by SoftballMominVA (Never wrestle with a pig; he wants to get dirty anyway.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
That young man committed a type of fraud. He invited your daughter to a dance, but then had no intention of going to the dance.

It is one thing if he invited her to a dressy occasion at another venue. But to invite her to a dance and then not take her to the dance is just plain wrong.

I have no problem with students not attending their high school’s particular function. But to invite someone one place and then to renege, and especially without prior warning to the invitee, is just plain wrong.

40 posted on 11/17/2007 5:27:32 PM PST by Jemian
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To: elkfersupper
Why would anyone want to volunteer to be screened for alcohol, drugs, pocket knives, Midol, balloons, doughnuts or whatever only to be "supervised" by a bunch of pedophile union thug government schoolteachers once they get inside?

Don't forget the infamous underwear checking that started a couple of years ago.

41 posted on 11/17/2007 5:27:59 PM PST by Jeff Gordon ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." Churchill)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Couldn't we, as parents, have demanded that the boys take our daughters to the dance? Why did we stand there, clicking our digital cameras, saying nothing?"

Why indeed?

Wasn't there even ONE father there, who could look a boy in the eye and simply say "you ARE taking my daughter to the dance, aren't you?"

If the boy didn't respect that coming from a father, he won't respect anyone.

Girls don't have to take that disrespect.

sw

42 posted on 11/17/2007 5:28:02 PM PST by spectre (spectre's wife (It's Illegal immigration, Stupid)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

My girlfriend (she is 50) can’t find a decent man. All they want is to “hook up” on the first date. None of them open doors, they drive up, wait in the car etc. All the things that an attentive father would have not allowed. You’d think at that age....but no....


43 posted on 11/17/2007 5:29:06 PM PST by Red RN
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Well, my (17 yo) son went to his school's homecoming dance "stag", which I guess is the opposite of the situation described here, in that he didn't ask anyone to the date, but did go to it.

I think he had a good time. He ended up going to someone's house afterwards with a group of kids, where they watched a movie ... and he made it home by his midnight curfew.

High school dances seem to be, as this man describes, mostly for girls to "see and be seen"; to show off for their friends. If a boy doesn't have, and doesn't want, a girlfriend, why should he volunteer to be "arm candy" for some girl who will barely give him the time of day on Monday morning? (Yes, I know, the boys supposedly asked the girls out. However, I know from my son's experience that a girl will sometimes pressure a boy to do that, and if he's not careful he'll get himself in a situation where it's impossible to turn her down without "losing face".)

Anyway, the solution for these girls is very simple: find other boys to date, and make their expectations clear.

I don't see much point in pushing high school kids to date anyway. It's not like they're really in the market for a spouse yet, so it can't lead to much good. If they want to date, that's different. But it really shouldn't be an expectation, IMO.

44 posted on 11/17/2007 5:30:38 PM PST by Campion
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I heard that when reading Romeo and Juliet in school, kids find it funny that Juliet would kill herself over Romeo’s tragic demise.

I guess they see it the way we would if someone killed himself over the death of his golfing buddy.


45 posted on 11/17/2007 5:32:12 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: lowbridge

Rule Eleven: Nod and smile at Papa. What he does not know will not hurt him.


46 posted on 11/17/2007 5:34:19 PM PST by Jeff Gordon ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." Churchill)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Studies, of course, show more young people skipping romantic relationships in favor of "hooking up."

A not insignificant number of us are skipping that, too. In fact, a great many are skipping any form of romance, and it's hard to blame them these days.
47 posted on 11/17/2007 5:35:31 PM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; Mrs. Don-o
I watched college (male) freshmen just let heavy doors at book store simply slam close on the face of women behind them coming in

I only hold doors open for real ladies.

The rest can kiss my behind.

48 posted on 11/17/2007 5:36:25 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Candor7
So do not be surprised to see many more sixteen year old girls wanting to date 24 year old men. Its sure to happen. NAd unfortunately they are right.

I've already seen a not insignificant amount of that going around.
49 posted on 11/17/2007 5:36:47 PM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: Jeff Gordon

Rule Twelve: No amount of smiling or nodding will fix a positive pregnancy test.


50 posted on 11/17/2007 5:37:08 PM PST by Campion
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