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Too Close to Kooky [Ron Paul]
Yahoo News ^ | Nov 16 2007 | Mona Charen

Posted on 11/17/2007 6:56:56 PM PST by camerakid400

Memo to: Ron Paul supporters

Subject: Your e-mails

Okay, enough is enough. Like every other journalist in America, and who knows, maybe the world or even the universe, I've been deluged with your letters and e-mails. So I've done as you asked and taken a closer look at your candidate. Here is what I've found:

1. Ron Paul is inconsistent. Though he calls himself a man of principle and is apparently admired as such by his ardent fans, his principles seem somewhat elastic. He rails against the Bush administration for its supposed assault on civil liberties, yet when he was asked at one of the debates whether Scooter Libby deserved a pardon, he said no. "He doesn't deserve one because he was instrumental in leading the Congress and the people to support a war that we didn't need to be in." Notice that he didn't say it was because Libby was guilty of committing a crime. No, because Libby argued for a policy with which Paul disagreed, he deserved to serve time in prison. Ron Paul, the libertarian, who presumably values liberty above all, is willing to deprive someone else of his because of a policy disagreement?

2. Ron Paul is historically challenged. He argues that by embracing isolationism, he fits within a Republican tradition stretching back to Eisenhower "who stopped the Korean War" and including Nixon "who stopped the war in Vietnam." Let's recap. Eisenhower threatened to use nuclear weapons against China. It was the Eisenhower administration that had a hand in toppling Iran's Mohammad Mossedegh (an intervention that Paul has elsewhere cited as causing the U.S. grief 25 years later when the Islamists took power). Eisenhower also intervened in Guatemala, Cuba (planning for the Bay of Pigs began during his tenure) and Lebanon.

Nixon, an isolationist? Most observers, whatever they may make of detente with the USSR and the opening to China, agree that Nixon was an emphatic internationalist. For the record, he intervened in many countries including Chili, Peru and Cambodia. And he saved Israel by resupplying her during the Yom Kippur war. Neither his successes nor failures grew out of a Paulesque policy of "minding our own business."

3. Ron Paul is unserious. Suggesting that you will eliminate the IRS, the CIA, the FBI and other government agencies within weeks of taking office is ridiculous. These are bumper stickers, not serious reform proposals.

4. Ron Paul is too cozy with kooks and conspiracy theorists. As syndicated radio host Michael Medved has pointed out, Ron Paul's newspaper column was carried by the American Free Press (a parent publication of the Hitler-praising Barnes Review). Paul may not have been aware of this. But though invited by Medved to disavow any connection, Paul has so far failed to respond.

Paul has appeared on the Alex Jones radio program not once, not twice, but three times. Jones is the sort who believes that black helicopters are coming to impose a police state on America. He is quite concerned about the Bohemian Grove, the Bilderbergers, the federal election system (it's rigged, of course) and so on. Naturally, he believes that 9/11 was an inside job. Ron Paul has even appeared in a Jones film, "Endgame," the point of which is apparently that the Bilderbergers are plotting to control the world. They've already got Europe (through the European Union) and now are on the verge of securing America by means of a North American union that would unite Mexico, the United States and Canada.

Even if Paul says nothing insane in this film, his appearance alone calls his judgment into question. I have not seen "Endgame," but I have heard a tape of Paul on the Jones program just after the 2006 election. Jones asked the congressman whether the victory for the Democrats wasn't a "rejection of neo-fascist imperialism." Paul replied, "Yeah . . . This was a healthy election as far as I'm concerned."

Ron Paul is the favorite candidate of a number of racist, neo-Nazi and conspiracist websites. While Paul cannot be held accountable for the views of cranks and kooks, he can disavow their support and return their checks. He received $500 from Don Black, the proprietor of Stormfront.org and former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. He has not yet returned it.

Moreover, Paul seems to be playing a sly game with his conspiracy-minded fans. He does not explicitly endorse the crazier theories out there, but he hints at dark forces in the U.S. government threatening our liberties, he inveighs against the "neo-cons" (shorthand for Jews in some circles) and he gives aid and comfort to the paranoid by appearing on their favorite radio shows.

No, Ron Paul is not my candidate. Not for president. He might make a dandy new leader for the Branch Davidians.


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1 posted on 11/17/2007 6:56:57 PM PST by camerakid400
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To: camerakid400

Home run! Out of the park!

Ron Paul is straight outta kookville and I know that I’ll get flamed...but this post is 100% correct.


2 posted on 11/17/2007 7:00:24 PM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: camerakid400
Ron Paul is unserious. Suggesting that you will eliminate the IRS, the CIA, the FBI and other government agencies within weeks of taking office is ridiculous. These are bumper stickers, not serious reform proposals.

BUMP

3 posted on 11/17/2007 7:02:30 PM PST by Constitution Day (Everything was fine until membership lost its privileges)
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To: camerakid400

L Ron is irrelevant.


4 posted on 11/17/2007 7:04:04 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ari-freedom

What scares me is the chance that the irrelevant Ron Paul will be the Ross Perot of 2008.


5 posted on 11/17/2007 7:05:04 PM PST by Hazwaste (Now with added lemony freshness!)
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To: camerakid400
‘black helicopters are coming to impose a police state on America’

At least the author is accurate.

6 posted on 11/17/2007 7:05:47 PM PST by BGHater (Lead. The MSG for the 21st Century.)
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To: RockinRight
I ain't flaming ya, kid. He's our Dennis Kucinich.......


7 posted on 11/17/2007 7:08:32 PM PST by Viking2002 (Waterboarding the Left every chance I get.)
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To: camerakid400

Alex Jones is more than a Truther, he started the “9/11 was an inside job” bunk.


8 posted on 11/17/2007 7:10:06 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Hazwaste

I doubt it. He’s already said he wouldn’t run as a third party candidate, and even if he did he would steal just as many, if not more, votes from the dims.


9 posted on 11/17/2007 7:10:15 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON/ DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: camerakid400
Back in the day when I was a diehard, big L libertarian, and Ron Paul was running for the nomination by the LP to be its candidate for president, I worked for and supported the opposition candidate for the nomination, Russell Means. I met RP in the late 80s when I was a (L)ibertarian activist and I was not impressed then, and he's gone completely 'round the bend since IMO.

Ron Paul, WRONG for AMERICA!!

10 posted on 11/17/2007 7:10:22 PM PST by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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To: BGHater

no they are coming to take YOU away.
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time!


11 posted on 11/17/2007 7:10:29 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ari-freedom

12 posted on 11/17/2007 7:10:30 PM PST by camerakid400
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To: Neil E. Wright

As I recall, Russell Means was active in supporting the anti-sandinista Contras in Nicaragua. No isolationist, Mr. Means.


13 posted on 11/17/2007 7:12:06 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: camerakid400

yeah and never mind the not so small grudge the sons of Ishmael have for getting kicked out of Abraham’s house. This is a feud that goes way back to even before mohammad.


14 posted on 11/17/2007 7:24:25 PM PST by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Russell's slogan during the campaign was "Russell Means Freedom" .... While I did have some problems with some of his positions, IMO Russell truly believed in and supported FREEDOM around the globe, for ALL PEOPLES. He was head and shoulders above RP then, and if he hasn't changed much since then, and if he was running for public office where I live, I'd have no problem voting for him now.

Of course, I haven't had any contact with him in about 20 years, and if he's gone the way of the LP (i.e., 'round the bend, as it were), then that last statement of mine is definitely subject to change. :)

15 posted on 11/17/2007 7:25:16 PM PST by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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To: camerakid400

Don’t drink the Ron Paul kool-aid.


16 posted on 11/17/2007 7:29:00 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: camerakid400

Curious, who is the Author of the Email?


17 posted on 11/17/2007 7:29:51 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: RockinRight
.but this post is 100% correct

LOL, so you don't care about Constitutional limitations on the Executive Branch either I see. The comment section where this was originally posted rips this 'opinion' piece apart

18 posted on 11/17/2007 7:34:35 PM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Neil E. Wright

By way of correction, Means was a supporter of the Miskito indians, who were aligned with the contra and victims of Danny Ortega and his goons. If I recall correctly, Marlon Brando financed his endeavors for the Miskitos.

Another interesting tidbit: Ward Churchill gave Means’ nomination speech, if the Wikipedia account is accurate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Means


19 posted on 11/17/2007 7:34:41 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: Hazwaste

“What scares me is the chance that the irrelevant Ron Paul will be the Ross Perot of 2008.”

Paul has said he won’t run independent or third party. It doesn’t matter. If Giuliani gets the nod, none of the Paul supporters will even show up to vote. They don’t want another big government liberal. It will be like 2006 all over again. Wasn’t that fun?

Maybe someone in the big tent of the GOP should ask why Ron Paul’s ideas are so popular and why he has so much support. Perhaps some opportunistic strategist can determine what can be done to woo his supporters. If not, the GOP will be losing a chunk of its base.


20 posted on 11/17/2007 7:34:48 PM PST by FreeInWV
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To: FreeInWV
"Maybe someone in the big tent of the GOP should ask why Ron Paul’s ideas are so popular and why he has so much support"

Please tell me you're joking. His support comes from anti-semites and assorted leftist neo-nazi types. Maybe you should ask the leaders of the democratic party why so many of their members support him. THAT'S a question I'd be curious to have answered.

21 posted on 11/17/2007 7:44:37 PM PST by boop (Who doesn't love poison pot pies?)
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To: Larry Lucido
As I said, I left the LP years ago, and have not followed it since. I did recently receive a request by the AZLP to head up a registration drive statewide, but then my gun guy died and I've been busy handling the store for the estate. I haven't even seen an LP platform since about 1990 or 1991.

I even stopped calling myself a (small "l") libertarian since the party nominated ol' Harry Browne TWICE for the presidency. I'm looking at the Constitution Party. If the CP runs candidates locally and builds an organization from the grassroots up, then I'll definitely consider that party as THE alternative to the Republican Party. (BTW .... I am NOT a republican, although I'll vote republican since the alternative, at the national level is the party of TREASON).

22 posted on 11/17/2007 7:50:04 PM PST by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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To: billbears

I’ve seen the Paul supporters bring up the constitutional argument before. I was wandering if you could explain to me which part of the Constitution has been violated and by whom.

Thanks in advance.


23 posted on 11/17/2007 7:58:55 PM PST by bluejay
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To: Neil E. Wright
I left the LP years ago, and have not followed it since.

Same here.

24 posted on 11/17/2007 8:00:32 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: camerakid400

The whole concept of the pardon power is to let people loose even though they are guilty, for reasons unrelated to their guilt. The question is whether they “deserve” release, and one can quite reasonably regard dishonesty as a disqualifying factor for pardon. Ron Paul appears to think that Scooter Libby is dishonest; I don’t know enough about it to know if he is right. But to accuse him of inconsistency for this stance makes no sense.


25 posted on 11/17/2007 8:12:46 PM PST by Iconoclast2 (Two wings of the same bird of prey . . .)
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To: boop

“Please tell me you’re joking. His support comes from anti-semites and assorted leftist neo-nazi types....”

Gee that’s a rather bigoted and stereotypical thing for you to say.

I have seen only 1 candidates signs in yards in this county. They are Paul’s. Why is that? I guess they are all Nazis and jew killers??

Ronald Reagan said that libertarianism was he heart of the Republican Party. He also said that the Department of Education should be eliminated. So, I guess he was a nutty neo-nazi too??

Its people like you that are driving principled conservatives away from the GOP.


26 posted on 11/17/2007 8:13:44 PM PST by FreeInWV
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To: FreeInWV

Ron Paul should denounce his Nazi supporters and return money from white supremacists. His appearnces on the Alex Jones show make me skeptical of his integrity as well.


27 posted on 11/17/2007 8:21:33 PM PST by camerakid400
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To: RockinRight

Ron Paul may be a loose cannon but the rest of the field both republican and democrat are a bunch of what I like to call good strong half wits and will send a marine to take a bullet in a heart beat.


28 posted on 11/17/2007 8:32:39 PM PST by anchorclankor (Liberals and Neocons need not apply)
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To: camerakid400
Ron Paul is inconsistent.

Charen cites the Libby example as Paul being "inconsistent?" ROFL! This is a non-sequitur of biblical proportions.

Ron Paul is historically challenged.

Both Ike and Nixon did end the Korean and Vietnam Wars, respectively. Ike threatening China or whatever Nixon did isn't really germane to the discussion. Charen only included these points to convey that Paul would be a weak CIC, but Paul has always supported a strong defense and you can bet he'll retaliate against anyone who threatens our interests.

Ron Paul is unserious. Suggesting that you will eliminate the IRS, the CIA, the FBI and other government agencies within weeks of taking office is ridiculous. These are bumper stickers, not serious reform proposals.

Paul has stated on numerous occasions that he would work with Congress to build a consensus on abolishing federal agencies. Charen isn't a conservative if she's whining to keep the IRS, the Army would conduct intelligence, and Paul has never stated that he'll eliminated the FBI. Charen is your typical MSM conservative. The important thing is, is that he has swung the debate pendulum back to the right, after years of it being dragged to the Left & feckless Republicans.

4. Ron Paul is too cozy with kooks and conspiracy theorists. As syndicated radio host Michael Medved has pointed out, Ron Paul's newspaper column was carried by the American Free Press (a parent publication of the Hitler-praising Barnes Review). Paul may not have been aware of this. But though invited by Medved to disavow any connection, Paul has so far failed to respond.

All of this has been explained/debunked. Being a Rudy shill, Medved has no credibility.

Charen is just another one of those beltway conservatives, like George Will is.

29 posted on 11/17/2007 8:33:03 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: boop
His support comes from anti-semites and assorted leftist neo-nazi types.

Nonsense. Paul's supporters are ordinary Americans. Just folks out in the heartland who are sick and tired of the same-old same-old.

30 posted on 11/17/2007 8:34:06 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: RockinRight
Ron Paul is straight outta kookville and I know that I’ll get flamed...but this post is 100% correct.

How did this "kook" manage to raise over $8.5 million so far for the 4Q?

How many enthusiastic supporters show up for the other GOP candidates' rallies? Where are their "money bombs" at?

How many straw polls Dr. Paul has won? Post-debate polls? Meet-up groups and grassroots support? YouTube clips?

Paul is running rings around the other candidates, and you guys here just can't comprehend it.

31 posted on 11/17/2007 8:43:51 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: camerakid400

“Ron Paul should denounce his Nazi supporters and return money from white supremacists. “

No candidate likes letting their detractors set their agenda. No matter what it is. Of course Paul would probably agree to whatever you suggest if you convince Giuliani to denounce his Mexican sponsors and return their money.


32 posted on 11/17/2007 8:44:32 PM PST by FreeInWV
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Link in post #29
33 posted on 11/17/2007 8:48:19 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Drango
Don’t drink the Ron Paul kool-aid.

What koolaid? The only issue Paul is wrong on is the immediate withdrawal from Iraq. What other issues is Paul wrong on? You do want to see the IRS eliminated, right? Or do you enjoy paying your income taxes?

34 posted on 11/17/2007 8:50:44 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I cannot verify the quote you provided, if you have a link that would be great.

I would have much more respect for Paul if he returned donations from white supremacists, and personally comdemned his nazi supporters. Paul has done interviews with Alex Jones, who is a proponent of anti-american conspiracy theories with no factual basis.

Ron Paul is not a conservative. As far as the war on terror, his position is farther to the left than Hillary Clinton. His statement that ‘we have been bombing Iraq for 10 years’ as a reason for 9/11 is ignorant and blatantly false.


35 posted on 11/17/2007 8:52:18 PM PST by camerakid400
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Not like it would matter to all the closed minds - but is it OK to post this guy’s entire response here? http://www.theagitator.com/


36 posted on 11/17/2007 9:09:34 PM PST by mommya
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To: camerakid400
I cannot verify the quote you provided, if you have a link that would be great.

See post #33

I would have much more respect for Paul if he returned donations from white supremacists, and personally comdemned his nazi supporters. Paul has done interviews with Alex Jones, who is a proponent of anti-american conspiracy theories with no factual basis.

Returning the money & denouncing them would only give them the attention they crave, and the media and GOP establishment would just continue to criticize Paul anyway. It's not going to change the Paul basher's minds one way or another, they're not going to vote for Paul anyway regardless. So why the bellyaching then?

Despite their repugnant views, white supremacists and Neo-Nazis still have a constitutional right to donate to or vote for the politician of their choice. White supremacists probably donated to Bush/Cheney in 2000 and 2004 too, we just didn't know about it, after all you don't know who they really are unless they tell you, right? If Paul actively solicited these funds or held a fundraiser on their behalf, then I wouldn't support him. But an individual contribution of $500 from a white supremacist (Don Black) does not make Paul a racist.

Ron Paul is not a conservative.

Pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border security, sound money....these are liberal positions now?

As far as the war on terror, his position is farther to the left than Hillary Clinton.

Do you believe our troops should remain in Iraq for an extended period of time?

His statement that ‘we have been bombing Iraq for 10 years’ as a reason for 9/11 is ignorant and blatantly false.

Looking for motives doesn't equate to blaming the U.S. for 9/11.

37 posted on 11/17/2007 9:11:20 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: mommya

Thanks for the link. I knew Mona Charen’s article would get posted here and all the Paul bashers will revel and high-five each other over it. This is the 2nd hit piece Charen has written about Paul. Like I said, Charen is just a beltway elitist conservative, someone who provides “balance” in liberal newsrags to the other left-wing columnists.


38 posted on 11/17/2007 9:22:28 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

He has been endorsed by pretty much every racist Nazi hate site there is. I don’t recall Bush getting one of these endorsements. Paul should personally condemn this and so far I haven’t heard anything.

Paul has many conservative positions, but he is a libertarian. We need a strong conservative candidate.
http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

In Iraq there have been many recent successes. Troops should be able to gradually reduce while handing control over to the Iraqi military over the next few years. Immediate withdrawal is not in the interest of American national security. This is not some Zionist conspiracy as many Paul supporters believe. Maybe they should listen to the many leaders of Sunni Arab states who don’t want an immediate American withdrawal from Iraq.

Paul has stated he would negotiate with the Ayatollahs in Iran. Paul obviously has little to no understanding of Islamic theology or history. His comments on 9/11 about bombing Iraq are just false, its not about looking for motives. Saddam exterminated millions of his own citizens and repeatedly violated security council resolutions, developed chemical weapons, and invaded multiple Muslim countries for no justifiable reason. Our military response to these actions are completely justified and should be supported by Muslims around the world.


39 posted on 11/17/2007 10:01:22 PM PST by camerakid400
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Nonsense. Paul's supporters are ordinary Americans. Just folks out in the heartland who are sick and tired of the same-old same-old.

Ordinary Americans do not associate with 9/11 "truth" brigade and the other associates of Paul cearly outlined here.

Mona Charen is as usual spot on with her analysis and in her conservative response to the liberals spamming her e-mail inbox.

There are lots of things that aren't the "same old, same old." That doesn't make them good or practical.

40 posted on 11/17/2007 10:01:33 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
How did this "kook" manage to raise over $8.5 million so far for the 4Q?

The same reason Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 did so well at the box office. There's a small, but very dedicated hate America crowd there willing to part with their money to promote their "cause."

41 posted on 11/17/2007 10:06:28 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: FreeInWV
Maybe someone in the big tent of the GOP should ask why Ron Paul’s ideas are so popular

"So" Popular? You are jesting, right?

why he has so much support.

He has a chance to do well in open primary states, though, where the liberal Independents may decide to cast some votes over on the GOP side. Wouldn't surprise me if he gets as high as 20% in New Hampshire.

42 posted on 11/17/2007 10:12:16 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
The same reason Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 did so well at the box office. There's a small, but very dedicated hate America crowd there willing to part with their money to promote their "cause."

That's a bunch of drivel. So you're saying that the $8.5 million came from those who hate America. Every single one of Dr. Paul's supporters are wingnut conspiracy kooks, right?

Here's a bunch of those loony, anti-war, 9/11 was an inside job nutcases cheering on Dr. Paul before the Ohio State and Michigan college football game today. Just ordinary college students cheering on Dr. Paul in full view of the ESPN anchors. I know it pisses you off that they're not cheerleading for one of the MSM-approved assembly-line Republican candidates.

43 posted on 11/17/2007 10:22:56 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; advance_copy; Liberty Valance; babaloo; Kokojmudd; pollywog; ...

You mean “ordinary Americans” like David Duke, who refers to Ron Paul as “our king”? take a look at Duke’s website and you can follow the links contained under the heading, “Support Ron Paul’s Nov. 11th Fund-Raiser”. Just another “ordinary American”.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/ron-paul-one-388512.html

How about those “ordinary Americans”?

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2007-11-11&e=407&c=1

KKK ordinary Americans?

“One of Ron Paul’s top internet organizers in Tennessee is a neo-Nazi leader named Will Williams (aka ‘White Will’). Williams was the southern coordinator for William Pierce’s National Alliance Party, the largest neo-Nazi party in the U.S.” Reported by Adam Holland on his Blog and re-reported in The American thinker.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2007-12-1&e=408&c=1

Another announcement of a KKK meeting... “ordinary Americans”? And along with that announcement you can follow the link to the Ron Paul website.

“On the white-supremacist Vanguard News Network, Williams links to Paul’s “grassroots” fundraising site and organizes other racists to “game You Tube” to advance a specific Ron Paul video to the top of You Tube’s rankings. Writes Williams, “Everybody here can do this, except bjb w/his niggerberry.” Holland points out, “BJB” stands for “burn Jew burn”. BJB’s internet signature is, “Nothing says lovin’ like a Jew in the oven.”

These are some of the “ordinary Americans” supporting Ron Paul. Why? And why is his campaign issuing what can only be described as embarrassingly lame resonses to the support of avoid racists such as these “ordinary Americans”?

On You Tube, you may view a video in which Ron Paul is endorsed by Hutton Gibson, a leading Holocaust denier and father of controversial actor and director Mel Gibson.

And of course Paul is supported by another “ordinary American”, none other than Patrick J Buchanan...

These are serious questions that don’t seem to elicit a serious response either from you, or from Paul’s campaign.


44 posted on 11/17/2007 10:27:36 PM PST by sofaman ("This nation will remain the land of the free only so long as it is the home of the brave.")
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To: Republican Wildcat

If the GOP casts aside entire voting blocks (small government folk concerned with constitutional rights), it deserves the consequences.

So how many percentage points were the last couple presidential elections decided by???


45 posted on 11/17/2007 10:30:01 PM PST by FreeInWV
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To: Hazwaste

“What scares me is the chance that the irrelevant Ron Paul will be the Ross Perot of 2008.”

No, that role will be played by Michael Bloomberg. Ron Paul has stated that he will not run again as a third-party candidate.

I think Mona Charen may be a Clinton supporter. Who gains from anger and disunity in the Republican ranks?


46 posted on 11/17/2007 10:31:39 PM PST by devere
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To: Republican Wildcat
"So" Popular? You are jesting, right?

He is popular - it sounds like you need to turn off the boob tube and stop believing everything you're spoon fed by the MSM, and maybe spend time on sites other than FR. Ron Paul DOES have a lot of growing support.


All that DESPITE being virtually ignored by the mainstream media, who has already selected Their Approved Candidate.

47 posted on 11/17/2007 10:37:36 PM PST by incindiary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJDqneN4weE)
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To: padre35
Mona Charen, as it's listed in the thread.
48 posted on 11/17/2007 10:40:48 PM PST by Hornitos
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"I know it pisses you off that they're not cheerleading for one of the MSM-approved assembly-line Republican candidates."

Actually, it scares the hell out of them. They are brainwashed by the neocon agenda. Just ask em. They actually think that the war on terror is a conservative issue, while speaking up for our 1st, 2nd, 4th amendment rights is liberal and unAmerican.

You know what scares them even worse? That this will someday be an official coin:


49 posted on 11/17/2007 10:41:07 PM PST by FreeInWV
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To: incindiary

Wow, that’s a lot of anti-American kooks!


50 posted on 11/17/2007 10:42:16 PM PST by Hornitos
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