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Romney plays down health care [As RomneyCare proves to be big gov boondoggle]
Concord Monitor ^ | Nov 18, 2007 | By MARGOT SANGER-KATZ

Posted on 11/18/2007 4:28:21 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Romney plays down health care

As Massachusetts governor, he tackled universal coverage

As governor, Mitt Romney signed the country's first comprehensive attempt at universal health coverage. On the presidential campaign trail, he has not put health care reform at the top of his agenda, nor has he embraced the central goal of the Massachusetts plan - universal coverage - as an appropriate target for the country.

The story sounds like classic stump-speech material.

A business leader and friend of then-Gov. Mitt Romney suggested he could make his mark if he solved Massachusetts's health care woes. Romney, a former consultant, took up the challenge, crunched the numbers and developed a framework for insuring nearly everyone in the commonwealth. Two years later, through an impressive feat of bipartisan cooperation between the governor's office and the legislature, he signed the country's first comprehensive attempt at universal health coverage.

"An achievement like this comes around once in a generation," he said on the day he signed the bill in April 2006.

(Excerpt) Read more at concordmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bw17ismeowmix; elections; herekittykitty; nannystate; pushinglimits; romney; romneycare; socialism; universalhealthcare
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1 posted on 11/18/2007 4:28:24 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
A business leader and friend of then-Gov. Mitt Romney suggested he could make his mark if he solved Massachusetts's health care woes.

Now there's a hell of a campaign talking point, he added another layer of socialism to the the most left-wing state in America.

2 posted on 11/18/2007 4:32:50 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson
Hey, Romney-ites, how do you explain this one?
3 posted on 11/18/2007 4:33:17 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind

Romney is not there to over see it so the mice will play!

This too shall pass have a nice day!:)


4 posted on 11/18/2007 4:35:51 PM PST by restornu (Improve The Shining Moment! Don't let them pass you by... PRESS FORWARD MITT)
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To: Jim Robinson

Didn’t he ‘splain it by playing the “I had to in order to get along with the Democrat majority” card?


5 posted on 11/18/2007 4:36:47 PM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: ConservativeMind; Jim Robinson
Hey, Romney-ites, how do you explain this one?

The same way they've been covering it up all along, some BS about how it's not really socialism because instead of directly using taxpayer money they forced the "evil" corporations to pay for it.

6 posted on 11/18/2007 4:37:42 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson

“I’d love to get him drunk and ask him, ‘If you had to do this over again, would you do this?’ We’ll have to wait,” he said.

Maybe then too we could find out what he really thinks about all the issues, instead of using carefully crafted responses.


7 posted on 11/18/2007 4:40:16 PM PST by donnab (saving liberals brains....one moron at a time.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Explain what? The fake headline that Jim Robinson fabricated for this thread?

From the article:

“lawmakers significantly expanded and changed elements of the governor’s original proposal. “

Also from the article:

“They (the social conservative wing of the Republican Party) really don’t want a president who’s going to be making big changes in health care,” he said. “But independents would find it very attractive.”

In other words, why play up during a primary a health insurance plan to woo social conservatives who really aren’t interested, rather than wait until the general election when it is an issue he can use to lure independents?


8 posted on 11/18/2007 4:42:44 PM PST by bw17
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To: bw17

“In other words, why play up during a primary a health insurance plan to woo social conservatives who really aren’t interested, rather than wait until the general election when it is an issue he can use to lure independents?”

In other words, If he can FAKE being a conservative long enough to fool Republicans into nominating him, He can go back to being the NE liberal he always was!


9 posted on 11/18/2007 4:47:05 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

Telling people that there will no longer be a free ride at the ER *IS* a conservative Republican platform.

And the only way you can, in good conscience, eliminate free-loaders at the ER is to require that everyone is either insured, or can demonstrate the ability to pay.

I think it’s a great idea.


10 posted on 11/18/2007 4:50:39 PM PST by bw17
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To: bw17

Wow I did not expect that from him so I did not think to check!

How disappointing


11 posted on 11/18/2007 4:50:57 PM PST by restornu (Improve The Shining Moment! Don't let them pass you by... PRESS FORWARD MITT)
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To: Beagle8U

I vote that he is a full-bred northeastern liberal via George and Lenore!


12 posted on 11/18/2007 4:52:41 PM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: bw17

“I think it’s a great idea”

I think WillardCare is a socialist idea!


13 posted on 11/18/2007 4:53:05 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Jim Robinson

Is Romney really playing down health care?

Then how do you explain this headline from another thread:

“Romney Talks Immigration, Health Care”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1927650/posts

The author of that article you posted may have let a little liberal bias slip through, don’t you think? Of course, I’m always suspicious of women with hyphenated names. That’s usually (but not always) a dead giveaway of a person’s political bent.


14 posted on 11/18/2007 4:54:56 PM PST by bw17
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To: Theodore R.

I wont be voting for any NE liberal pukes, in the primary or the general.


15 posted on 11/18/2007 4:55:27 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: bw17

They don’t call him Slick Willard for nothing.


16 posted on 11/18/2007 4:57:41 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Beagle8U

What you think and what are the facts are two very different things.

No free rides at the ER!


17 posted on 11/18/2007 4:57:53 PM PST by bw17
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To: Jim Robinson

The only thing “Slick” on this thread, is the way that you were able to sneak in a fake headline.


18 posted on 11/18/2007 4:58:50 PM PST by bw17
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To: bw17
From the article: “lawmakers significantly expanded and changed elements of the governor’s original proposal. “

And you don't think that's his fault? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that once you pass universal compulsory healthcare, especially in a left-wing state, it will soon be loaded up with stuff like cheap abortions and socialist regulations. And no doubt free sex change operations and euthanasia coming soon.

In fact, the cheap mandatory abortion coverage was already in the plan when Romney signed the damned thing. And he's surely smart enough to know what would happen after he saddled the state with it and left office.

19 posted on 11/18/2007 4:59:11 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: bw17

Wrong, the government forcing people into a government controlled and subsidized health insurance plan is socialism. No conservative should go along with this tyranny. No American should.


20 posted on 11/18/2007 5:01:45 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Beagle8U

“In other words, why play up during a primary a health insurance plan to woo social conservatives who really aren’t interested, rather than wait until the general election when it is an issue he can use to lure independents?”

BINGO!


21 posted on 11/18/2007 5:02:17 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: bw17

Don’t worry. Moments ago I banned Jim Robinson. This will never happen again.


22 posted on 11/18/2007 5:03:28 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: traderrob6

What you posted to me Isn’t what I wrote. Its what I replyed to.


23 posted on 11/18/2007 5:04:51 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Cicero

The plan involves purchasing PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE.

Have you read your own private health insurance plan? Does it cover abortions? I bet it does. So, in effect, your premiums are funding other policy holder’s abortions.

How is it different in MA, when taxpayer money that was already paying for the uninsured at the ER’s, is now being diverted to pay for private health insurance for the poor instead?


24 posted on 11/18/2007 5:06:36 PM PST by bw17
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To: Admin Moderator

Isn’t it okay as long as the interpretation part is in brackets? The headline part was clear enough to me. Is there a rule against comments in brackets as part of the title to a thread?


25 posted on 11/18/2007 5:07:16 PM PST by 50mm (Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist - G. Carlin)
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To: bw17; Jim Robinson
Explain what? The fake headline that Jim Robinson fabricated for this thread?

I think you owe Jim Robinson an apology. The headline is not fake, he just added comments in brackets the way many on FR do: I clicked through and here is what I saw:

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26 posted on 11/18/2007 5:08:44 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Admin Moderator
“Don’t worry. Moments ago I banned Jim Robinson. This will never happen again.”

Not fair! They were both arguing, ban em both!

( We’ll see which comes back first...LMAO)

27 posted on 11/18/2007 5:08:56 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: 50mm

I hope you know he/she is kidding. Jim Rob is the owner of FR. He isn’t getting banned. LOL


28 posted on 11/18/2007 5:10:22 PM PST by beandog (If exercise is so good for you, why does every bone in my body hurt)
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To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson
Don’t worry. Moments ago I banned Jim Robinson. This will never happen again.

Damn! Are there government-mandated quotas on zots now?! :-)

29 posted on 11/18/2007 5:13:18 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: beandog

They [the moderators] keep trying though.


30 posted on 11/18/2007 5:13:28 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Beagle8U

Ban me for what? Pointing out that the headline of this thread was a fraud?

If you want to add commentary, put it in brackets *after* the actual headline.


31 posted on 11/18/2007 5:14:01 PM PST by bw17
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To: Jim Robinson; beandog

Our coup attempts continue to fail but one of these days...


32 posted on 11/18/2007 5:15:43 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: bw17

Don’t be such a nerd. It was a joke!


33 posted on 11/18/2007 5:16:58 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: sionnsar

So where’s the part in the headline (or the article) about a “big government boondoggle”?


34 posted on 11/18/2007 5:17:11 PM PST by bw17
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To: Admin Moderator

Next you guys will be threatening to unionize!


35 posted on 11/18/2007 5:17:38 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Beagle8U

OK. It was a joke. Ha ha.

Still smells like a cheap shot from where I’m sitting.


36 posted on 11/18/2007 5:18:15 PM PST by bw17
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To: bw17
"Have you read your own private health insurance plan? Does it cover abortions?"

Seems like you have a big problem understanding the difference between free market private business and free choice vs government (socialist) intrusion and coercion.

37 posted on 11/18/2007 5:18:40 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: beandog
I know who Jim Rob is. He gets a well-deserved monthly donation from me.

I thought the sarcasm in my comment was obvious. Sorry if you misunderstood.

38 posted on 11/18/2007 5:20:11 PM PST by 50mm (Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist - G. Carlin)
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To: 50mm
Isn’t it okay as long as the interpretation part is in brackets?

Yes.

39 posted on 11/18/2007 5:20:46 PM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator

Well when you get as big and powerful as you are, you just can’t trust anyone. Don’t worry though we’ve got your back.:)


40 posted on 11/18/2007 5:20:52 PM PST by beandog (If exercise is so good for you, why does every bone in my body hurt)
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To: bw17
Long as it has brackets, whether before or after, no problemo.

And do you really believe some pore, innnosent, victim of racist bushchimpyhitler and the vast right wing nazi regime criminal illegal is gonna have to pay a hospital bill WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY USING FAKE ID?

41 posted on 11/18/2007 5:20:52 PM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: bw17

No problem. The truth shines through either way.

“Romney plays down health care [As RomneyCare proves to be big gov boondoggle]”


42 posted on 11/18/2007 5:21:58 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: darkwing104

Looks like one here. Pretty obvious.


43 posted on 11/18/2007 5:22:34 PM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: Jim Robinson

Not really.

If you’re:

a) covered under a company-sponsored plan, and
b) that plan covers abortions, and
c) you contribute part of the total premium for the plan,

then there is not much difference between Romneycare and your own private health plan. You are indirectly paying for abortions for other policy holders...and nobody is calling them “Jim Robinson-funded abortions”.


44 posted on 11/18/2007 5:24:00 PM PST by bw17
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To: Jim Robinson
They [the moderators] keep trying though.

JimRob, Admin Moderator, Lead Moderator...I'm so confused! /sarc

45 posted on 11/18/2007 5:27:39 PM PST by 50mm (Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist - G. Carlin)
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To: bw17
Wrong again. In a free society, a person can freely choose to opt out of any such plan.
46 posted on 11/18/2007 5:28:37 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Beagle8U

I know and I meant to post your reponse.


47 posted on 11/18/2007 5:30:10 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: 50mm

You’d be surprised how many people don’t know. As I have learned, sometimes sarcasm doesn’t come through that well. Sorry I didn’t catch it.


48 posted on 11/18/2007 5:31:48 PM PST by beandog (If exercise is so good for you, why does every bone in my body hurt)
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To: traderrob6

Yes, I thought you did but I put that in for those that may read the thread later and be confused.


49 posted on 11/18/2007 5:32:52 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Jim Robinson

You currently don’t get to opt out of paying for people’s free rides at the ER.

Romney’s plan just shifts that money towards helping to subsidize private health insurance instead.

Now, I agree with you that abortion should not be covered by *any* health insurance plans, but abortion ought to be addressed outside of the health care debate. Outlaw abortion on a national level, and your anti-Romneycare argument crumbles.

They’re two separate issues, and on a national level, the Republicans wield enough influence to prohibit coverage of abortions.

But this is the liberal state of Marxachusetts we’re talking about. They have chosen to make abortion legal, and make it a priority. It needs to be addressed through the courts via the 14th amendment angle.


50 posted on 11/18/2007 5:37:04 PM PST by bw17
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