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Huckabee: Abortion Not States' Call
Newsmax ^ | Nov. 18, 2007

Posted on 11/19/2007 5:32:58 AM PST by the tongue

Huckabee: Abortion Not States' Call

Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:01 PM

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WASHINGTON -- Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee rejects letting states decide whether to allow abortions, claiming the right to life is a moral issue not subject to multiple interpretations.

"It's the logic of the Civil War," Huckabee said Sunday, comparing abortion rights to slavery. "If morality is the point here, and if it's right or wrong, not just a political question, then you can't have 50 different versions of what's right and what's wrong."

"For those of us for whom this is a moral question, you can't simply have 50 different versions of what's right," he said in a broadcast interview.

The former Arkansas governor, who has drawn within striking distance of Mitt Romney in Iowa's leadoff presidential caucuses, said he was taken aback by the National Right to Life Committee's recent endorsement of Fred Thompson, the ex-Tennessee senator.

"But my surprise was nothing compared to the surprise of people across America who had been faithful supporters of right to life," said Huckabee, who is challenging Thompson's claim that he is the most reliable candidate in the GOP field.

"Fred's never had a 100 percent record on right to life in his Senate career. The records reflect that. And he doesn't support the human life amendment which is most amazing because that's been a part of the Republican platform since 1980," Huckabee said.

In a separate interview aired Sunday, Thompson said Roe v. Wade, the landmark Supreme Court decision allowing legal abortion, should be overturned, with states allowed to decide whether to permit abortions. "We need to remember what the status was before Roe v. Wade," he said.

Huckabee also previewed his first television ad of the campaign on the program. The 60-second spot, which features actor Chuck Norris, was to begin running in Iowa on Monday.

"My plan to secure the border. Two words: Chuck. Norris," says Huckabee, who stares into the camera before it cuts away to show Norris standing beside him.

"Mike Huckabee is a lifelong hunter who'll protect our Second Amendment rights" on gun ownership, says the tough-guy actor, who takes turns addressing viewers.

"There's no chin behind Chuck Norris' beard, only another fist," Huckabee says.

"Mike Huckabee wants to put the IRS out of business," Norris adds.

"When Chuck Norris does a push-up, he isn't lifting himself up, he's pushing the earth down," Huckabee says.

"Mike's a principled, authentic conservative," says Norris.

In closing, Huckabee says: "Chuck Norris doesn't endorse. He tells America how it's going to be. I'm Mike Huckabee and I approved this message. So did Chuck."

Huckabee acknowledged that the ad probably will not change many minds.

"But what it does do is exactly what it's doing this morning," he said. "Getting a lot of attention, driving people to our Web site, giving them an opportunity to find out who is this guy that would come out with Chuck Norris in a commercial."

The Thompson campaign was quick to respond.

"With his new campaign ad featuring Chuck Norris, Mike Huckabee has confused celebrity endorsement with serious policy. What would Huckabee do to secure America's border against millions of illegal immigrants pouring into our country? According to his ad, 'Two words: Chuck Norris,' " said Thompson campaign spokesman Todd Harris.

"It's appropriate that Chuck Norris would co-star in an ad with Mike Huckabee, given Huckabee has been 'Missing in Action' on the issue of illegal immigration his entire career," Harris said, referring to one of Norris' films.

Huckabee appeared on "Fox News Sunday" and Thompson was interviewed by "This Week" on ABC.

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Yeah, support Huckabee. Maybe his next position will be that the 2nd Amendment was meant as a joke. Support socialism, Free Republic, support socialism.
1 posted on 11/19/2007 5:32:59 AM PST by the tongue
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To: the tongue

Huckabee can kiss my pink rosy arse.


2 posted on 11/19/2007 5:34:20 AM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: the tongue

The media is pushing this man too much!

It’s time to STOP letting the media control who gets to represent us.

Huckabee is not what he pretends to bee.


3 posted on 11/19/2007 5:35:25 AM PST by alicewonders (Duncan Hunter needs to be our next Sec. of Defense, Dir. of Homeland Security - or Vice President!)
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To: the tongue
Mike is right about this:

“It’s the logic of the Civil War,” Huckabee said Sunday, comparing abortion rights to slavery. “If morality is the point here, and if it’s right or wrong, not just a political question, then you can’t have 50 different versions of what’s right and what’s wrong.”

It didn’t work out with slavery legal in some states and ILLEGAL in others. The same is true of abortion. It’s WRONG in ANY state.

Finally some CONSISTENCY would be nice!

Killing babies is WRONG in ANY state.

4 posted on 11/19/2007 5:37:11 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: the tongue

I do have to admit that sounds pretty funny with the ‘Chuck Norris Facts’ list.


5 posted on 11/19/2007 5:38:14 AM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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To: the tongue
"It's the logic of the Civil War," Huckabee said Sunday, comparing abortion rights to slavery. "If morality is the point here, and if it's right or wrong, not just a political question, then you can't have 50 different versions of what's right and what's wrong."

So, is Huck proposing that we wreck the country and the Constitution, again, to make sure that each and every State outlaws abortion?

6 posted on 11/19/2007 5:39:48 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Conservatives - Freedom WITH responsibility; Libertarians - Freedom FROM responsibility)
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To: the tongue
Mike is right about this:

“It’s the logic of the Civil War,” Huckabee said Sunday, comparing abortion rights to slavery. “If morality is the point here, and if it’s right or wrong, not just a political question, then you can’t have 50 different versions of what’s right and what’s wrong.”

It didn’t work out with slavery legal in some states and ILLEGAL in others. The same is true of abortion. It’s WRONG in ANY state.

Finally some CONSISTENCY would be nice!

Killing babies is WRONG in ANY state.

Having said that,

“Huckabee rejects Constitution as viable entity”

this is a totally misleading title.

Our Constitution is fine. Outlawing abortion fits in with our COnstition just as making slavery ILLEGAL fits in to our Constitution.

I wonder, have ANY of you even read the Constitution or the Bill of Rights? Or just like to turn your nose up at the documents in sheer ignorance?

7 posted on 11/19/2007 5:40:30 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: the tongue
Chuck Norris video here.

-Joan

8 posted on 11/19/2007 5:41:16 AM PST by JoanVarga ("Por que no te callas?")
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To: nmh
The SCOTUS should never have heard Roe vs. Wade because of the states rights clause. 10th Amendment and all that. The feds had no right to meddle in the issue to begin with.

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.
9 posted on 11/19/2007 5:41:23 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: the tongue

This is a joke, right?


10 posted on 11/19/2007 5:41:35 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: the tongue
Chuck Norris wears Fred Thompson pajamas.
11 posted on 11/19/2007 5:43:21 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: OCCASparky
Roe vs. Wade was a flawed decision based on outright LIES and you know it.

What Mike is stating makes perfect sense, in regard to abortion and comparing it to slavery. By the way, have you ever read the Consitution and the Bill of Rights? Ever?

12 posted on 11/19/2007 5:43:22 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh

“Killing babies is WRONG in ANY state.”

Amen.
It is a stain on our great nation the this is even legal


13 posted on 11/19/2007 5:44:00 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: the tongue

Very misleading title for such an important issue.


14 posted on 11/19/2007 5:44:09 AM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: nmh
What Mike is stating makes perfect sense, in regard to abortion and comparing it to slavery. By the way, have you ever read the Consitution and the Bill of Rights? Ever?

Yes, actually. I've even read the 10th amendment, and understand why it was put there in the first place.

15 posted on 11/19/2007 5:45:33 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Conservatives - Freedom WITH responsibility; Libertarians - Freedom FROM responsibility)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
So, is Huck proposing that we wreck the country and the Constitution, again, to make sure that each and every State outlaws abortion?

Maybe just replacing the Supreme Court justices with theologians.

16 posted on 11/19/2007 5:45:35 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: nmh

IMHO, the right way to address abortion at the federal level is to recognize unborn children as people. Then state laws against homicide are effective for those who kill these defenseless kids.

This is inherently how slavery was handled - the US quit pretending black folk were only 3/5ths human.


17 posted on 11/19/2007 5:45:52 AM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: the tongue

Gee, that sure is funny, Governor Mike “Open Borders for Jesus” Huckabee. Will Sergeant Carter be Secretary of Defense, Andy Taylor as FBI director and Aunt Bee cookin’ up some vittles in the white house?


18 posted on 11/19/2007 5:46:09 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: the tongue
Bob Novak did not have great things to say about Huckabee on Fox & Friends this morning.
19 posted on 11/19/2007 5:51:22 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: nmh
By the way, have you ever read the Consitution and the Bill of Rights? Ever?

Sure have. And the fact remains that the SCOTUS should have refused to hear the case. But, with the court being the makeup it was at the time, they did, and we're living with the results.

That being said, it is NOT the right of the federal government to dictate to the states what's legal and what's not in this instance. Sorry, but that's the way it is. I'm as against abortion as you are, but two wrongs aren't going to make it right.

Methinks you might want to reread it while you're at it. This is a case where a conservative (or one who claims to be) is cutting the Constitution to fit his agenda. Sounds suspiciously like another so-called "Republican" candidate I can think of. You don't happen to spam polls, do you?
20 posted on 11/19/2007 5:51:54 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: the tongue
"What would Huckabee do to secure America's border against millions of illegal immigrants pouring into our country? According to his ad, 'Two words: Chuck Norris,'

So Huckleberry thinks putting a bad actor on the border is going to stop illegals from sneaking across it? Or are they going to set up a big screen and show chuck Norris B movie re-runs and scare them away?

What a stupid add.

21 posted on 11/19/2007 5:51:58 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Miss Didi

Mike Huckabee: For states’ rights before he was against states’ rights http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/1927726/posts


22 posted on 11/19/2007 5:52:32 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: nmh

“Huckabee rejects Constitution as viable entity”

this is a totally misleading title.


I agree. I’m not a Huckabee supporter but this is the second misleading title on Huckabee that I’ve read in the last 5 minutes.


23 posted on 11/19/2007 5:56:00 AM PST by kidd
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
the US quit pretending black folk were only 3/5ths human.

You do understand that the "3/5 clause" was there specifically to limit the power of the slave states, right? That is, it wasn't that the framers believed black folk were less human, but rather that they didn't want the electoral power of slave states to be buttressed by counting population that weren't even treated as full citizens.

24 posted on 11/19/2007 5:59:07 AM PST by kevkrom ("Should government be doing this? And if so, then at what level of government?" - FDT)
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To: the tongue; Sidebar Moderator
Posted yesterday under correct headline

Huckabee Says Abortion Not for States
Posted by dano1
On News/Activism 11/18/2007 2:10:42 PM CST · 200 replies
The Associated Press 11/18/07 WILL LESTER

25 posted on 11/19/2007 6:00:10 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Miss Didi
Bob Novak did not have great things to say about Huckabee on Fox & Friends this morning.

I heard that. Mainly because Huck is a pro-tax Governor. Any Pro-Huckers want to comment on that? I'm voting here in Iowa in a few weeks, and I want to vote Huck, but I'm not voting for higher taxes.

26 posted on 11/19/2007 6:02:11 AM PST by bigjoesaddle ("By Grabthar's hammer......what a savings")
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To: Nathan Zachary
So Huckleberry thinks putting a bad actor on the border is going to stop illegals from sneaking across it?

Sounds like a special two-part episode of Walker: Border Patrol Ranger is in the works.

27 posted on 11/19/2007 6:02:36 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Conservatives - Freedom WITH responsibility; Libertarians - Freedom FROM responsibility)
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“Yes, actually. I’ve even read the 10th amendment, and understand why it was put there in the first place.”

Oh, so you PREFER haphazard standards when it comes to killing babies. UNLIKE slavery that is ILLEGAL in ANY state?

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Abortion needs to be ILLEGAL in EVERY state - just like slavery.

I have NO DOUBT that our founders would NOT want abortion legal in ANY state.


28 posted on 11/19/2007 6:02:40 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: alicewonders
The media is pushing this man too much! It’s time to STOP letting the media control who gets to represent us.

It's not the media, it's Iowa caucus-goers. The last six or so polls out of Iowa show it to be a two-man race between Romney and Huckabee.

29 posted on 11/19/2007 6:04:07 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: nmh

One thing should be clear, Fred Thompson has the most cogent and realistic stand on abortion of anyone running.....overturn Roe vs Wade and chip away at the foundations of abortion at the state level. Being for a constitutional amendment banning abortion is all well and good for show but Fred like many of us understands that the liklihood of it ever passing in our lifetime is practically nil.


30 posted on 11/19/2007 6:07:00 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Not all states will make abortion ILLEGAL and you know it.
And that is the problem.

Slavery was made illegal:

Amendment XIII
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

It’s time to make abortion explicitedly ILLEGAL as well. It should be UNDERSTOOD that it MURDER should NEVER be legalized as abortion ... so it’s time to recognize abortion for what it is and make it ILLEGAL to murder an UNborn person or one about to be born.

31 posted on 11/19/2007 6:07:23 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: OCCASparky
Your ignorance is amazing.

You could not possible have read the Constitution or the Bill of Rights with the asinine answer you gave me. Or maybe you're ability to comprehend is way off.

32 posted on 11/19/2007 6:09:31 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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"It's the logic of the Civil War," Huckabee said Sunday, comparing abortion rights to slavery. "If morality is the point here, and if it's right or wrong, not just a political question, then you can't have 50 different versions of what's right and what's wrong."

Huckabee is 100% right on this issue, and it is one of the two most important issues facing this country.

33 posted on 11/19/2007 6:10:13 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: nmh; the tongue
"Our Constitution is fine. Outlawing abortion fits in with our Constitution just as making slavery ILLEGAL fits in to our Constitution."

"I wonder, have ANY of you even read the Constitution or the Bill of Rights? Or just like to turn your nose up at the documents in sheer ignorance?"


Huckabee knows as much about the Constitution as Ron Paul.

Some facts:

- The Civil War did not end slavery or grant any rights to slaves/former-slaves, the 13th, 14th & 15th Amendment to the Constitution did this.

- The 13th, 14th & 15th Amendment grant rights specifically to slaves, those born or naturalized in the US, and voters, respectively.

How do Huckaabee and you see this as applying to unborn babies?

* * Note: I morally disagree with abortion also and believe Roe v. Wade should be overturned... so don't give me an arguement on this but ONLY on the Constitution & its existing Amendments.

34 posted on 11/19/2007 6:10:45 AM PST by drpix
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To: nmh

I am pro life, myself, but let me ask you a question. Is there a federal law that says murder is illegal? I don’t think there is, and if abortion is murder, as many believe, why must there be a federal law against just that kind of murder?


35 posted on 11/19/2007 6:13:08 AM PST by Rider on the Rain
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To: traderrob6
I used to be a Fred fan ... now I’m not so sure ... .

On abortion, Fred is more of an appeaser that a leader.

Mike is RIGHT on this issue.

It’s hard to believe that making SLAVERY illegal is okay but to pretend that murdering a small human being should continue, haphazardly at the “state” level. It makes NO SENSE whatsoever. Our founders would NEVER, EVER have approved of abortion nor would they want that understood to be a "right" to murder a small human being.

36 posted on 11/19/2007 6:13:54 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: drpix

YOu missed his point.

His point was that SLAVERY was made ILLEGAL and NOT at the STATE level. Abortion needs to be ILLEGAL and NOT at the STATE level.


37 posted on 11/19/2007 6:15:24 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh
Outlawing abortion fits in with our COnstition just as making slavery ILLEGAL fits in to our Constitution.

It took an amendment to the Constitution to end slavery. A similar amendment to end abortion would never make it throught the amendment process. It would only take 13 states to block it, and the Democrats control a whole lot more legislatures than that.

38 posted on 11/19/2007 6:16:03 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: nmh

I think you answered my question. Your position has no basis in logic. Fred is right on this. Huckabee is wrong.


39 posted on 11/19/2007 6:16:12 AM PST by Rider on the Rain
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To: Rider on the Rain

“Is there a federal law that says murder is illegal? I don’t think there is, and if abortion is murder, as many believe, why must there be a federal law against just that kind of murder?”

Yes, murder is illegal and it’s is NOT left up to the “states”. Whether an ADULT or a BABY or the unborn about to be born are MUREDERED, this should be ILLEGAL for ANY AGE of the human being. I tend to like consistency.


40 posted on 11/19/2007 6:17:29 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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That being said, it is NOT the right of the federal government to dictate to the states what's legal and what's not in this instance.

Muddled thinking.

The government does not have rights: it has specific Constitutional obligations and is granted the requisite authority to undertake those obligations.

Under the 14th Amendment, the federal government has the obligation to ensure that no state deprives any person of life without due process of law.

The states do not get to decide who gets to live and who gets to die. They have absolutely zero authority under the US Constitution to legislate on depriving unborn persons of life.

If one believes that abortion is a matter for the states, then one believes that the unborn are not persons and are therefore not protected by the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution.

41 posted on 11/19/2007 6:17:49 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: nmh

“Mike is right about this:”

So the 10th Amendment means NOTHING to you, nmh? That’s sad.


42 posted on 11/19/2007 6:18:09 AM PST by the tongue
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To: nmh

Murder is wrong in every state, theft in all its varieties—robbery, burglary, fraud. . .—is wrong in every state, so too assault, rape, vandalism, . . .
yet all of these are defined and prosecuted by state laws, save as they affect interstate commerce or the functioning of the Federal goverement (e.g. murder of Federal officials). Divorce is a moral matter, yet the grounds for divorce (or, alas, policies permitting groundless divorces) are a matter of state law.

It is precisely because it is a moral issue, like murder, theft, the definition of marriage, and the like, that abortion policy is properly decided by the level of government closest to the people affected, as has always been done in the United States from the days when Virginia’s laws had a decidedly Anglican character, and Massachusetts’ laws a Calvinist flavor.

Huckabee is wrong—his logic would create a unitary state, where all laws are Federal, and the states become mere provinces—all political decisions are fundamentally moral decisions, as the fundamental question of politics—how ought we order our society—is subordinate to the fundamental question of morality—how ought we live our lives.


43 posted on 11/19/2007 6:18:14 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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“I think you answered my question. Your position has no basis in logic. Fred is right on this. Huckabee is wrong.”

Oh, so making slavery ILLEGAL for ANY state is okay?

But for some ILLOGICAL reason we should leave MURDERING our unborn up to the “states” so we have an ARBITRARY standard on what “murdering the unborn is”. Yeah ... this makes allot of sense - ONLY to those like yourself that are utterly ILOGICAL and COLD. YOU are the ILLOGICAL person and have NO CLUE on our founders and their INTENT.

44 posted on 11/19/2007 6:20:02 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: the tongue
So the 10th Amendment means NOTHING to you, nmh?

Abortion has nothing to do with the 10th Amendment. The 10th Amendment does not empower the states to authorize the murder of anyone.

45 posted on 11/19/2007 6:20:58 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: The_Reader_David
“Huckabee is wrong—his logic would create a unitary state, where all laws are Federal, and the states become mere provinces—all political decisions are fundamentally moral decisions, as the fundamental question of politics—how ought we order our society—is subordinate to the fundamental question of morality—how ought we live our lives.”

Abortion is MURDER of a small person.

The unalienable right to life needs to be recognized in ALL states and NOT the arbitrary manner you suggest through states. Life is too important to be left up to illogical folks like you that are abortion, murder supporters.

46 posted on 11/19/2007 6:22:24 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: the tongue; All

Interesting discussion. Thanks to all posters.

life


47 posted on 11/19/2007 6:22:55 AM PST by PGalt
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To: nmh; traderrob6
" Our founders would NEVER, EVER have approved of abortion nor would they want that understood to be a "right" to murder a small human being."

Written historical records date abortions back to ancient Egypt. Legal & illegal abortions have existed in all societies. The founding fathers were well read enough to know this and yet they left this (as with murder) up to the states. This is how it was before Roe v. Wade. To go further requires a Constitutional Amendment - which today could not pass the 3/4 of the states. Period & end of story.

48 posted on 11/19/2007 6:23:07 AM PST by drpix
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To: The_Reader_David
Huckabee is wrong—his logic would create a unitary state, where all laws are Federal, and the states become mere provinces

This is hyperbole, firstly, and secondly it is bad legal argument.

Are the unborn persons or are they not?

If they are not, then abortion on demand should be freely available.

If they are persons, then they are protected from being deprived of their lives on a federal basis by the 14th Amendment.

49 posted on 11/19/2007 6:23:28 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: nmh

If you want to make all murders federal crimes ok, but I hardly think the federal government is equipped to deal with that. Why are you getting personal and calling me cold? Does everyone have to believe exactly like you do?


50 posted on 11/19/2007 6:23:36 AM PST by Rider on the Rain
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