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The atheists who came in from the cold
Townhall.com ^ | November 19, 2007 | Dinesh D'Souza

Posted on 11/19/2007 6:06:14 AM PST by Kaslin

Imagine if one of the world's leading Christians--say C.S. Lewis a generation ago, or Billy Graham now--were to reject his religious beliefs and become a atheist. It would be big news! The New York Times would be all over it, for sure, and the question would be why a man who has devoted his life to God would now turn against Him? In sum, the focus would be on what were the reasons for the conversion and on what's so bad about Christianity.

Contrast this with the New York Times' approach to the conversion of philosopher Anthony Flew. Flew has been, for the past half-century, the world's leading advocate of atheism. His works such as Theology and Falsification and The Presumption of Atheism were considered classics of theist thought. No one has so relentlessly espoused the atheist cause, and no one has been more anthologized and eulogized by the atheist community. Other twentieth-century philosophers, such as Martin Heidegger and Bertrand Russell, were unbelievers but they did not make atheism central to their philosophical work as did Flew. Flew's atheism long precedes that of latecomers like Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett and Christopher Hitchens.

Now, in his early eighties, Flew has rejected atheism and said he believes that God exists. He does not espouse the Christian God, but calls himself a Deist. He says he has a lifelong commitment to following the evidence where it leads, and that new advances in the sciences have shown him that materialism and Darwinism simply cannot account for the world as it is and life as it is. Examining the fine-tuning of the universe and the mind-boggling complexity of the cell (a compexity that evolution presumes but cannot explain), Flew now believes that the design of the universe requires a designer. He gives his reasons in a new book There Is a God which is co-authored with Roy Abraham Varghese.

In the book, Flew uses simple analogies to expose atheist illogic. For instance, leading atheists seek to prove that the mind is no more than the brain. If the brain is destroyed, they say, we can't use our minds. Therefore there is nothing to minds excerpt circuits and neurons. Flew gives the example of a child raised on a remote island who finds a satellite phone. Voices come out of the machine. The child recognizes these voices as human and is thrilled by the discovery that she has found a way to interact with other humans. Perhaps there is life outside the island!

Then the elders of the tribe (if I may embellish Flew's account, let's call them Big Chief Dawkins, Grand Pooh Bah Dennett, and Witch Doctor Pinker) scorn the child and say, "Look, when we damage the instrument, the voices stop. So they're obviously nothing more than sounds produced by the unique combination of metals and circuit boards. Forget about learning about other humans. From all the evidence we have, we are the only living creatures on earth. So go back to making sandcastles." Who are the real dummies here?

When a major figure like Flew switches sides, the New York TImes goes into mafia-style intellectual hit mode. They selected Mark Oppenheimer of Yale, who visited Flew in England and wrote a long article in the November 4, 2007 New York Times Magazine suggesting that Flew converted because he is, well, senile. The basic idea is that Flew has lost his mind and can't remember anything, and when Christian apologists like Varghese were nice to him Flew basically surrendered to them and let them write his book.

The only evidence that Flew has lost his mind is that he's 84 years old. A man of 84 naturally loses some of his memory, especially for names, but this does not mean he has lost his marbles. Flew's own writings of the past few years are all entirely coherent and employ sophisticated philosophical vocabulary. While Flew seems to have asked his collaborator Varghese to write a draft of his life story, it was Flew who reviewed and approved the final contents. There is nothing in the Times' article that shows Flew to be incapable of a reasoned change of mind and heart.

I realize that atheists--including those at the New York Times--are embarassed at having to surrender one of their most stalwart champions to theism. Maybe they too should consider following the evidence where it leads? Too closed-minded to consider Flew's arguments, these fellows would much rather belittle the intellectual capacity of the man they once revered. Hell hath no fury like an atheist scorned.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: anthonyflew; atheism; dineshdsouza; epiphany; flew
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1 posted on 11/19/2007 6:06:16 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Well this should be fun.


2 posted on 11/19/2007 6:11:27 AM PST by Boiler Plate ("Message received, is message sent" Claire Cooper)
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To: Kaslin
He does not espouse the Christian God, but calls himself a Deist.

I don't see, myself, that he has improved his spiritual condition by much.

3 posted on 11/19/2007 6:12:17 AM PST by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
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To: Kaslin

atheists are the most intolerant among religious peoples.

I’ve also noticed that if they didn’t have Christianity to be against, they wouldn’t exist.

There doesn’t seem to be a huge movement that gets its morning engine revved at the prospect of going out that day to tackle the problems of buddha.

our atheists could be just as fairly labeled adherents to the religion of anti-christianity.


4 posted on 11/19/2007 6:13:28 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain. True Supporters of the Troops will pray for US to Win!)
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To: Kaslin
It seems as people get closer to death - they think more of God. Wonder what he will do to “undo” the 60 years of damage he ha inflicted on those that believe in God...(especially Christians).
5 posted on 11/19/2007 6:14:19 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: xzins

Exactly. When atheists have the chutzpah to go after Islam with the fervor with which they attack Christianity, maybe I’ll have some respect for them.

This should be interesting. I’m going to run out and buy this book, just for the ammo.


6 posted on 11/19/2007 6:19:48 AM PST by Buggman (HebrewRoot.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: 2banana
Wonder what he will do to “undo” the 60 years of damage he ha inflicted on those that believe in God...

What damage? God is still here :)

7 posted on 11/19/2007 6:19:58 AM PST by pnh102
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To: Kaslin

“..the New York TImes goes into mafia-style intellectual hit mode.”

That’s the best line of the article, and pretty much sums up the Times and atheism.


8 posted on 11/19/2007 6:26:19 AM PST by Rinnwald ( Master of Triple-tap Double-action-fu)
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To: pnh102

So true. The real threat to Christanity aren’t atheist, its people who call themselves Christians but don’t live like it.


9 posted on 11/19/2007 6:29:06 AM PST by fungoking
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To: Kaslin

Amen! I takes a simple mind to believe in nothing. It takes an ample mind to admit being wrong.

Now, if Jesus can just get through to him, he will have many stories to tell, forever.


10 posted on 11/19/2007 6:31:15 AM PST by wizr (I ain't perfect, but Jesus loves me anyway. You, too!)
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To: fungoking

There IS no threat to Christianity. Never was. Never will be.


11 posted on 11/19/2007 6:31:20 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Algore - there's not a more priggish, sanctimonious moral scold of a church lady anywhere.)
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To: 2banana

I don’t think he has inflicted any damage on those that believe in God. He inflicted damage on those he influenced into not believing. He aided the devil in leading people away from God. I suppose recanting his atheistic beliefs is about the best he can do. Since no one that needs to hear this message seems to be listening to him, now. I’m not sure he’ll be able to undo the damage.


12 posted on 11/19/2007 6:33:11 AM PST by Barb4Bush
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To: Buggman

To his credit, Hitchens does go after Islam.


13 posted on 11/19/2007 6:35:58 AM PST by twntaipan (To say someone is a liar and a Democrat is to be redundant.)
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To: Matchett-PI

I agree with you in the Macro sense, but in the micro, much damage can be done by say Bill Clinton talking about how important his faith as a Southern Baptist while being serviced by a intern.


14 posted on 11/19/2007 6:37:04 AM PST by fungoking
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To: Kaslin
Oh, come on. Are we expected to believe this guy changed his mind? REALLY?! After all, the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of nothing but random chance and chemistry creating this complex world and all that is within it.

Just like the internet.

15 posted on 11/19/2007 6:37:25 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Boiler Plate

Anthony Flew? Anthony WHO? I’ve never heard of him, and I’ve read on this topic. Vs. Billy Graham and C.S. Lewis are/were famous. So the analogy doesn’t hold up. I’m not even sure that he qualifies for “the worlds most famous Atheist”. That would be Sam Harris, or one of the other authors who’ve written best sellers on the topic. Or the late Madeline Murray O’Hare, perhaps. Anthony has over-reached on his PR claims, methinks.


16 posted on 11/19/2007 6:45:43 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: 2banana
I’ve seen professing believers do more damage than atheists to the name of Christ. Don't worry God is bigger than anything we may do.
17 posted on 11/19/2007 7:00:47 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: xzins
There doesn’t seem to be a huge movement that gets its morning engine revved at the prospect of going out that day to tackle the problems of buddha.

You don't know much about Buddhists do you? LOL Can you name their God?

our atheists could be just as fairly labeled adherents to the religion of anti-christianity.

You might be correct if you included all the People of the Book, but being 1/3 correct must be good enough for you : )

18 posted on 11/19/2007 7:09:24 AM PST by LeGrande
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To: 2banana
Wonder what he will do to “undo” the 60 years of damage he ha inflicted on those that believe in God...(especially Christians).

He's written a book, right?

Besides, God has forgiven him, so who are we to stay bitter?

19 posted on 11/19/2007 7:09:40 AM PST by shekkian
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To: Buggman

I guess it is flattering that they see us as THE enemy.

It’s their subconscious way of publicly declaring the identity of the real God.


20 posted on 11/19/2007 7:11:34 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain. True Supporters of the Troops will pray for US to Win!)
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