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Chavez, Ahmadinejad to work against US (time to bomb Venezuela?)
AP ^ | 11/19/07 | NASSER KARIMI

Posted on 11/19/2007 4:21:46 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Chavez, Ahmadinejad to work against US

By NASSER KARIMI, Associated Press Writer

53 minutes ago

The presidents of Venezuela and Iran boasted Monday that they will defeat U.S. imperialism together, saying the fall of the dollar is a prelude to the end of Washington's global dominance.

Hugo Chavez's visit to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Tehran followed a failed weekend attempt by the firebrand duo to push the Organization of Petroleum Exporting States away from trading in the slumping greenback.

Their proposal at an OPEC summit was overruled by other cartel members led by Saudi Arabia, a strong U.S. ally. But the cartel agreed to have OPEC finance ministers discuss the idea, and the two allies' move showed their potential for stirring up problems for the U.S.

The alliance between Chavez and Ahmadinejad has blossomed with several exchanged visits — Monday's was Chavez's fourth time in Tehran in two years — a string of technical agreements and a torrent of rhetoric presenting their two countries as an example of how smaller nations can stand up to the superpower.

"Here are two brother countries, united like a single fist," Chavez said upon his arrival in Tehran, according to Venezuela's state-run Bolivarian News Agency.

"God willing, with the fall of the dollar, the deviant U.S. imperialism will fall as soon as possible, too," Chavez said after a two-hour closed meeting with Ahmadinejad, the Iranian state news agency IRNA reported.

As the dollar weakens, oil prices have soared toward $100 a barrel. Chavez said over the weekend at the OPEC meeting in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, that prices would more than double to $200 if the U.S. attacked Iran or Venezuela.

"The U.S. empire is coming down," Chavez told Venezuelan TV, calling the European Union's euro a better option and saying Latin American nations were also considering a common currency.

The leftist Venezuelan is a fierce critic of President Bush, and Iran's Islamic government is in a bitter standoff with Washington over Tehran's nuclear program. The U.S. accuses Iran of seeking to develop nuclear weapons, a claim Tehran denies, and Iran has been hit with two rounds of U.N. sanctions for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment.

Ahmadinejad backed his "dear brother" Chavez in their joint fight with the Bush administration.

"We have common viewpoints and we will stand by each other until we capture the high peaks. God is with us and victory is awaiting us," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by IRNA. He said he and Chavez would stick together to defend their "nations and ideals to the end."

During the OPEC meeting, Iran and Venezuela proposed that the cartel begins pricing its oil in a basket of currencies, rather than just the dollar, and wanted the summit to specifically express concern over the dollar's slide in its final statement.

Saudi Arabia blocked those moves. Saudi Arabia's foreign minister cautioned that even talking publicly about the currency's decline could further hurt its value.

Chavez repeated his warnings that attacking Iran would further increase oil prices. "It's very important that they leave us in peace, the major oil-producing countries," he said.

"If it occurs to Bush to invade Iran, I'm sure the Iranians will resist, and they aren't going to allow them to take away their oil, just as we Venezuelans wouldn't allow it," he said.

In Tehran, the two presidents signed four memorandums of understanding Monday to create a joint bank, a fund, an oil industry technical training program and an industrial agreement, Iranian state television said. It said Chavez then left after an official farewell ceremony.

On Chavez's previous visit in July, the two leaders broke ground for construction of a jointly owned petrochemical complex in Iran, with 51 percent of it in Iranian ownership and 49 percent to be owned by Venezuela. The two nations also began construction of a second petrochemical complex in Venezuela, at a total combined cost of $1.4 billion.

Chavez and Ahmadinejad believe their petrochemical partnership will help Iran win markets in Latin America and Venezuela to gain access to Asia's energy market, especially India.

Since 2001, the two countries have signed more than 180 trade agreements, worth more than $20 billion in potential investment, according to official reports.

Iran has partnered with Venezuela on several industrial projects in the South American nation, including the production of cars, tractors and plastic goods.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; chavez; iran; redjihad; tlr; venezuela
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Odd couple, a Marxist populist and a devout follower of ancient Imam cult, united against U.S.
1 posted on 11/19/2007 4:21:47 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: FARS; nuconvert; AdmSmith

Ping!


2 posted on 11/19/2007 4:22:21 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
How long do we ignore these piss ants?

I would posture if oil goes to $200 a barrel it would be economically justified to attack both Iran and Venezuela.

3 posted on 11/19/2007 4:25:23 PM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Those who could actually challenge the USA, such as China and Europe, do not engage in such idle talk.


4 posted on 11/19/2007 4:27:35 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The Cheech and Chong of the axis of evil are at it again I see.


5 posted on 11/19/2007 4:30:19 PM PST by Uncle Meat
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To: Uncle Meat

ITS TIME FOR A LESSON IN FIRE POWER!


6 posted on 11/19/2007 4:31:12 PM PST by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The Saudis stopped Chavez. I guess they may be our ally, despite all that wahabism and lashing of women.


7 posted on 11/19/2007 4:31:17 PM PST by camerakid400
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To: camerakid400

Pure business partner.


8 posted on 11/19/2007 4:32:34 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: OPS4

I have never seen anybody just begging for an ass whipping like these two dips.


9 posted on 11/19/2007 4:34:48 PM PST by Uncle Meat
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To: camerakid400
Saudi ruling class want to stay in power and keep making money. That explains why they both bankroll Wahabi sect and appease U.S. at the same time.
10 posted on 11/19/2007 4:35:00 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: Recon Dad
How long do we ignore these piss ants?

Ignoring them sure as heck won't make them go away. Before September 11th, our policy was to ignore terrorism and it didn't stop two planes from crashing into the WTC.

I wish I was President, I would ask them both if they would like to have some nukes. I am sure their answer would be yes, and then I would air deliver them enough nukes to knock the Earth of her axis.

And then I would be forced to ask the question, how do you like me now?


11 posted on 11/19/2007 4:39:07 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

12 posted on 11/19/2007 4:42:16 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: G8 Diplomat
OK, I'll bomb 'im.


13 posted on 11/19/2007 4:43:58 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: RightWhale
Pure business partner.

Why the Saudis pretend to be our allies:

$$$
14 posted on 11/19/2007 4:44:11 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: molette67
Never forget:


15 posted on 11/19/2007 4:48:59 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: do the dhue

When one of these tyrants has a bomb they will all have one. Syria included.


16 posted on 11/19/2007 4:53:48 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The declining dollar is completely solvable: stop printing money.


17 posted on 11/19/2007 4:55:11 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: purpleraine
I see this like a football game. You need to hit your enemy before they hit you. That is what made Ronnie Lott such a great hitter. When Walter Peyton ran the ball, he would hit the defender before the defender could hit him. You need to get lower then your enemy and come up and hit them so damn hard that it scares Chuck Norris You gotta do it before they do it to you. If you don't, your socks and shoes are going to be going a different direction then you are.

And I am right about this. You don't think your enemy wants to build a bomb just so they can look at it? No, they will use it to bribe all your assets away and then they will use it on you. You gotta hit them before they hit you. But we probably wont do it because of this:

And that my friend, will get us all killed. Now, I aint sayin' we have to nuke Iran. But if Israel or Bush and others want to do what is necessary to keep our enemy from having a nuke, then gitrdun. Of course, if you want to nuke 'em, I'll be all for that too. I know they would do it to me. So, lets send a message to the next fool.

18 posted on 11/19/2007 5:09:09 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: do the dhue
I agree with what you say and I would add...........When nut job said Israel should be destroyed, I'd take that as a declaration of war and get busy in defending my country. Same with his comments about the US. The idiot says he believes that he is responsible for bringing on the end of the world and he is trying to build a bomb. What are we waiting for? Has anyone ever tried to negotiate with a lunatic. Oh yes, England and Russie in the 30s.

Chavez will help support this guy financially and he will have the bomb if Iran does.

19 posted on 11/19/2007 5:13:31 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Someone will probably have to bomb Iran at some point (us,the Israelis...) but there's no need to bomb Venezuela. A skilled sniper is all we need there.
20 posted on 11/19/2007 5:16:03 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Venezuela is well on it’s way back to the stone age, we probably don’t need to waste the bombs.


21 posted on 11/19/2007 5:26:12 PM PST by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: purpleraine
HEAR HEAR!

I concur.

I would declare war then do my damnedest to make it the shortest war in the history of the world. How long would it take an ICBM to go from here to there?

22 posted on 11/19/2007 5:27:32 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: do the dhue

How about a few firecrackers from a nearby fleet.


23 posted on 11/19/2007 5:28:36 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: purpleraine

Perfect!


24 posted on 11/19/2007 5:35:22 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: Uncle Meat

I have said the same Uncle, in fact just a few minutes ago.


25 posted on 11/19/2007 5:36:02 PM PST by Americanexpat
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Holy Cow!!! What an AMAZING news flash!!!!

(NOT!!)


26 posted on 11/19/2007 5:42:58 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: do the dhue

What’s the name of the island? I can’t read it.


27 posted on 11/19/2007 5:43:44 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

I think it is Mozan (more sand) Island.


28 posted on 11/19/2007 5:47:50 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Odd couple, a Marxist populist and a devout follower of ancient Imam cult, united against U.S.

Not so odd, they are united by hatred of us. Bombing the marxist is not the answer. For the OPEC folks the real bomb is us saying enough! Drill like hell, refine like hell, oil shale and coal liquefaction, nuke and geothermal power for the heat source, and suddenly OPEC is a thing of the past. And viable electric cars are just around the corner, which will also help. So, if they knew we were serious, I bet oil prices would drop about 50% immediately. All it takes is will.

As for Iran, they will have to glass someone before anything will be done about them. By then things will be desperate and billions will die. I am 55 and I believe I will see it before I die. JMHO

29 posted on 11/19/2007 5:51:06 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: do the dhue

As an aside, all that extra volume will combat the rising sea levels that are killing polar bears.


30 posted on 11/19/2007 5:54:40 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: #1CTYankee
No bombs? OK, I got an idear:

We build a couple huge mirrors and place them in orbit over Iran and Venezuela. Then we hook magnifiers to the mirror and we point it straight our enemy. It will work like a little kids magnifying glass on an ant. And may I add, this is a well tested theory. We have an endless supply of ammo and we burn the bastards beyond the stone ages forever.

31 posted on 11/19/2007 5:54:52 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: Nuc1
OK, but just don't sign me up for any carbon offsets.


32 posted on 11/19/2007 5:58:15 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Old flat face and monkey boy playing with themselves again. A couple of 7.62’s would solve this problem.


33 posted on 11/19/2007 5:59:46 PM PST by oldenuff2no (My dad ldft for Europe in)
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To: Nuc1
I hope you don’t see it. And if we would hit them before they hit us, we would not have to worry about it. I wish I was President, because I would not be the one worrying. But I’ll bet good money that Amadjihad would be worried.
34 posted on 11/19/2007 6:02:50 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: oldenuff2no
Bullets are fine, but this would send a message:


35 posted on 11/19/2007 6:04:22 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: do the dhue

It’s time these two monkeys just ‘disappeared’...shame we don’t have the will to make that happen. Our special forces would be lining up in droves to do the job.

What about the Mossad, where are our elite Delta Forces and why do we allow these petty meadow muffins to still be breathing?


36 posted on 11/19/2007 6:17:48 PM PST by GRRRRR (The Libtards are spoiling for a big fight!)
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To: OPS4

Sounds like two 2 bit loud mouthed dictators need a cruise up the keester.


37 posted on 11/19/2007 6:22:34 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Use PMCs and Venezuelan ex-pats. Plausible deniability. Worked in West Africa.


38 posted on 11/19/2007 6:28:49 PM PST by MattinNJ (I'm pulling for Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter-...but I'd vote for Rudy against Hillary)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I think the rest of the civilised world is going to get sick and tired of paying high prices for crude and will come to us pleading to do something about these two nuts. It was all fun and games when the US was the only one taking it on the chin but these oil prices are going to hurt everyone. I don’t think Europe wants a global recession but they don’t have the means to stop Nutjob and the SA commie. So the world will turn to us again to fix the worlds’ problems.

I also think that Pres. Bush had intended to devalue the dollar some after 9/11. It had been very strong which hurt our exports and enriched China, but I think China figured out what was up or decided to conduct a little economic warfare with Nutjob and Chavez leading the way and China staying quiet in the background.

JMO,

Time to readjust my tin foil.

NO2


39 posted on 11/19/2007 6:30:03 PM PST by No2much3 (I did not ask for this user name, but I will keep it !)
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To: do the dhue; Brilliant

I thought it said Mound Island

One of us needs glasses...


40 posted on 11/19/2007 6:52:42 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: GRRRRR
What about the Mossad, where are our elite Delta Forces and why do we allow these petty meadow muffins to still be breathing?

Gotta be because of some French liberal, or some Hollyweirdo, or some commie bastard somewhere that have people in DC worried about doing what is necessary to survive.

Instead of becoming little pieces of DNA, I would rather be around arguing with the liberals (they will cut and run anyhow).

41 posted on 11/19/2007 7:57:53 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: G8 Diplomat
I know I am the one who needs glasses. I am getting blinder. I think we should name it, Neverfergit Dis Bich Island.
42 posted on 11/19/2007 8:02:06 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Chavez and Ahmadinejad - Stalin and Hitler..


43 posted on 11/19/2007 8:43:06 PM PST by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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To: do the dhue

The humanitarian in me cries, “Spare the women!”


44 posted on 11/19/2007 8:58:15 PM PST by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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To: Nachoman

Your enemy wont spare your women.


45 posted on 11/19/2007 9:02:09 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: do the dhue

I know, but their women are hot.


46 posted on 11/19/2007 9:04:02 PM PST by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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To: Nachoman

Like I said, we can argue about it later.


47 posted on 11/19/2007 9:04:30 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

How much does a 50 cal bullet cost?

One shot, one kill....


48 posted on 11/19/2007 9:05:59 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Hunble
see post #13

I say, if Amadjihad wants to wipe Israel off the map, we play with him. And we let him GO first.

49 posted on 11/19/2007 9:09:46 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: do the dhue

Image saved, and I agree.

“Speak softly, but carry a big stick.”


50 posted on 11/19/2007 9:14:31 PM PST by Hunble
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