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Baghdad Starts to Exhale as Security Improves (people moving with freedom, commerce returning...)
NY Times ^ | Nov. 20, 2007 | By DAMIEN CAVE and ALISSA J. RUBIN

Posted on 11/19/2007 7:43:43 PM PST by jdm

BAGHDAD, Nov. 19 — Five months ago, Suhaila al-Aasan lived in an oxygen tank factory with her husband and two sons, convinced that they would never go back to their apartment in Dora, a middle-class neighborhood in southern Baghdad.

Today she is home again, cooking by a sunlit window, sleeping beneath her favorite wedding picture.

*snip*

The security improvements in most neighborhoods are real. Days now pass without a car bomb, after a high of 44 in the city in February. The number of bodies appearing on Baghdad’s streets has plummeted to about 5 a day, from as many as 35 eight months ago, and suicide bombings across Iraq fell to 16 in October, half the number of last summer and down sharply from a recent peak of 59 in March, the American military says.

As a result, for the first time in nearly two years, people are moving with freedom around much of this city. In more than 50 interviews across Baghdad, it became clear that while there were still no-go zones, more Iraqis now drive between Sunni and Shiite areas for work, shopping or school, a few even after dark. In the most stable neighborhoods of Baghdad, some secular women are also dressing as they wish. Wedding bands are playing in public again, and at a handful of once shuttered liquor stores customers now line up outside in a collective rebuke to religious vigilantes from the Shiite Mahdi Army.

Iraqis are clearly surprised and relieved to see commerce and movement finally increase, five months after an extra 30,000 American troops arrived in the country.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: baghdad; commerce; frwn; iraq; iraqsurge; petraeus; security
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The latest good news ABCCBSNBCCNNPBS doesn't want you to hear.
1 posted on 11/19/2007 7:43:47 PM PST by jdm
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To: Allegra; SandRat

ping.


2 posted on 11/19/2007 7:44:06 PM PST by jdm
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To: jdm

NY TIMES!!!


3 posted on 11/19/2007 7:45:05 PM PST by camerakid400
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To: camerakid400

Surprise, surprise!


4 posted on 11/19/2007 7:47:06 PM PST by jdm
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To: jdm
Today she is home again, cooking by a sunlit window, sleeping beneath her favorite wedding picture, beside her beloved cat, Socks.

I think some sycophant from the Times cut and pasted a quote about Hillary by accident.

5 posted on 11/19/2007 7:47:06 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: jdm; Allegra

I know the Punditocracy just can’t stand to tell the truth.


6 posted on 11/19/2007 7:48:12 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: jdm

Sorry, didn’t mean to be a smarta$$ on this good news story, just couldn’t resist.


7 posted on 11/19/2007 7:48:41 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

Now we know what Hillary did with Socks the Cat.


8 posted on 11/19/2007 7:49:19 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

LOL!


9 posted on 11/19/2007 7:49:58 PM PST by jdm
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To: jdm
The turn around seems to be dramatic and is being reported more often.

The Dems MUST have a strategy to counter this. They are losing.
My guess is that they will just try to minimize everything that has happened.
Or they will try to take credit for it somehow.
And say they could have done it sooner!

10 posted on 11/19/2007 7:52:07 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: jdm; All

I think this is great and I hope it continues. But because we’re getting so excited about it, I expect a huge response from the remaining terrorists, which the MSM/DNC will use to argue against the war and for a pullout. I think the public will be duped like Vietnam (TetO).

A huge attack with lots of lives lost. The meme becomes, look the gains were short lived, it’s hopeless, they’re back, it’ll never end, etc. All they need is a few spectactular attacks (same thing goes here in the US) and help from their MSM/DNC friends and the pendullum swings back the other way.

The said part will be seeing the dems and left blogs all but celebrate if and when it happens. These guys know us well having studied vietnam, sommalia, recent events, etc. They know how to manipulate the useful idiots and the media. Watch for a string of big attacks sometime soon or right before the 2008 election. They may be down, but they’re not out and they don’t need much to get the embolden the defeatists and sway the public who barely pays attention and accepts what the media feeds.

I think the GOP should recognize and make a point about all this progress, but caution that they can, may, and likely will carry out attacks, even major ones and we have to be prepared and not swayed if they do. Fact is, I don’t think the public understands how these guys work, that it’s all about media attention.


11 posted on 11/19/2007 7:54:03 PM PST by enough_idiocy (www.daypo.net/test-iraq-war.html)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

“My guess is that they will just try to minimize everything that has happened.”

Already being done. See Reid’s last comments. No progress. They’re also shifting the target from security to political progress.

“Or they will try to take credit for it somehow.” Doing that too.

They’re so lame and so predictable.


12 posted on 11/19/2007 7:55:13 PM PST by enough_idiocy (www.daypo.net/test-iraq-war.html)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

How much do you want to bet that Hillary will come out within the next few weeks and say “Remember, peoples, I voted to go into Iraq and I’m very proud of my vote; look at all that we’re accomplishing.”


13 posted on 11/19/2007 7:56:37 PM PST by jdm
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To: enough_idiocy

If they could do big attacks, they would have.

They can’t.


14 posted on 11/19/2007 8:03:44 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: jdm
How much do you want to bet that Hillary will come out within the next few weeks and say “Remember, peoples, I voted to go into Iraq and I’m very proud of my vote; look at all that we’re accomplishing.

5 bucks she does,donated to FR.

15 posted on 11/19/2007 8:04:50 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: jdm

Lol! Chris Mathews on MSNBC has not mentioned Iraq or the good news coming out of Iraq in the past 3 weeks. ‘’NADA’’! It’s like it never happened at all!Too bad the RATS and the MSM are invested in defeat. It looks like OUR troops are winning and they are on the losing side again!


16 posted on 11/19/2007 8:06:12 PM PST by Bush gal in LA (Don't tread on the Fred! ''Fred Thompson 2008!'')
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To: Southack

Agreed.


17 posted on 11/19/2007 8:07:43 PM PST by jdm
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To: jdm

But...but...it’s the “very presence” of American troops in Iraq that is “creating more terrorists,” isn’t it?

Iraq should be awash with terrorists right about now, shouldn’t it? Shouldn’t it?


18 posted on 11/19/2007 8:08:23 PM PST by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: jdm
As many of us have been saying for a while, liberals and their media are going to try hard to hide the news of VICTORY in Iraq but they are going to fail miserably and even now the liberal media have to talk about VICTORY news in Iraq. It is impossible to hide VICTORY.
19 posted on 11/19/2007 8:09:17 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jdm; Allegra
But I thought we were making more enemies than we are killing over there.

Oh wait, that's old propaganda....OK, got it now...there is nobody left to kill over there (heard a maroon caller on Rush Limbaugh say this). It must look like a ghost town now.

Hey, that's what I'm hearing over here anyway.

< /heavy sarcasm >

20 posted on 11/19/2007 8:14:29 PM PST by lormand (...proud to be an ex-democRAT)
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To: Southack

Review their history. They plan very well and time things very well. They are very patient. I am not implying that they have not been decimated and that their capabilities lessened, but don’t take for granted what it takes for them to pull off a major attack. Five individuals in five different parts of the country on the same day, trucks jam packed with explosives, sensitive (even if guard) targets. This has happened time and time again in Iraq. Don’t underestimate these guys. We’ve clearly made significant progress, but all it takes is them being on point 1% of the time. All’s I’m saying is let’s not get so over confident we back ourselves into a wall and hand over all this progress to the naysayers who will use it to argue, “look, they did it again, another corner turned, they said it was over and now look at this.” The Generals are citing progress, but they are also being cautious in how they speak of these successes and I think the blogs, news, GOP, and everyone else who actually wants to win should follow that lead. We’re in a good place, but it ain’t over and the left is pushing hard to declare defeat and yank the plud.


21 posted on 11/19/2007 8:15:26 PM PST by enough_idiocy (www.daypo.net/test-iraq-war.html)
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To: enough_idiocy
The terrorists are not able to mount the so called TET offensive. They are utterly destroyed and defeated. When they were much stronger they could not do it, so it is impossible for them to do it now. The so called terrorist TET offensive has been talked about so many times in the last four years and it did not happen, it is not going to happen. From all military perspectives we have won this war and Al Qaeda is utterly defeated.
22 posted on 11/19/2007 8:15:49 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jveritas

The Rat leadership is a Quagmire and we have won the war.


23 posted on 11/19/2007 8:17:15 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: jveritas

“They are utterly destroyed and defeated.” This is the kind of talk that’s gotten us in trouble for years. “Last throes” comments getting thrown back in our faces for years. This overconfidence is used by the dems against us.

“impossible for them to do it now.” again, speaking in absolutes is counter productive.

You’re entitled to your opinion and I hope your right.

“last four years and it did not happen” the infamous mosque bombing that was set off the huge spike in violence and dems’ claims of civil war?

“From all military perspectives we have won this war and Al Qaeda is utterly defeated.” If so, why are we still there? We won the war in 2003. We have not yet fully secured the peace. When we do, we’ll leave. We haven’t yet.


24 posted on 11/19/2007 8:20:52 PM PST by enough_idiocy (www.daypo.net/test-iraq-war.html)
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To: jveritas
The party of hysteria and their posers who call in to talk radio haven't given up just yet.

I'm sure you must have heard the new Obey mantra by now....."it's not that we're succeeding, there's just not anyone left for Al Qaeda to kill".

Liberals do such a good job of making themselves look like loons.

25 posted on 11/19/2007 8:21:44 PM PST by 4woodenboats (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: txflake

Amen my FRiend.


26 posted on 11/19/2007 8:22:40 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: enough_idiocy

The US military will declare VICTORY against Al Qaeda by March 2008.


27 posted on 11/19/2007 8:23:27 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: Bush gal in LA

Why are you “doubling” Chris Matthews audience? :)


28 posted on 11/19/2007 8:24:22 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jdm

If the Old York Times is reporting the improvement, the Victory Parades can’t be too far behind. We are witnessing the Greatest Victory in our Lifetimes.

Pray for W and our Amazing Troops


29 posted on 11/19/2007 8:29:48 PM PST by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: bray
Islam handed its' a$$ bump.

Don't try us.

30 posted on 11/19/2007 8:35:08 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: jdm

And the moral of the story is...when you get rid of al Qaeda good things happen.


31 posted on 11/19/2007 8:39:45 PM PST by pbear8 (Padre Pio please pray for Tony Snow)
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To: enough_idiocy

I am being cautious.

That being said, it’s not like Al Qaeda in Iraq is just sitting around, innocent as churchmice, waiting until the NY Times says something before they go for a big attack.

If they could do a big attack, they would.

They can’t.

They aren’t waiting. They are dying and/or running.

Does the above mean that Al Qaeda is impotent or harmless? No.

...but it also means that Al Qaeda can’t hit us like it used to.

There’s a reason that Osama bin Laden said that the darkness in Iraq had turned pitch black for Al Qaeda.


32 posted on 11/19/2007 8:44:29 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: jdm

AW, it’s all just a willful suspension of disbelief.


33 posted on 11/19/2007 8:47:04 PM PST by cookcounty (Murtha, World's Dumbest Marine Officer, --He can't find Okinawa on a map..)
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To: Allegra
Though you might want to comment on this!

Keep safe... now!

34 posted on 11/19/2007 8:47:06 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: jdm

There’s NO denying it now...the donkey party is screwed...


35 posted on 11/19/2007 8:50:10 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Bush gal in LA
That is the down side they face from suppressing good news for so ling. When things finally improve to the point that the story can no longer be suppressed, the good news is magnified by the stark contrast to the artificial reality imposed before.
36 posted on 11/19/2007 8:52:58 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: enough_idiocy
I think the GOP should recognize and make a point about all this progress ...

Pubs are way to cautious to point out success ... they are intimidated by the liberal MSM. It will have to be overwhelmingly conclusive that the surge has worked before they make any effort to take credit. It helps that the NY Times, of all the liberal publications, is reporting the positive turn in Iraq.

37 posted on 11/19/2007 8:54:48 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: jdm

Harry and Nancy, what’s going on here?


38 posted on 11/19/2007 8:57:14 PM PST by purpleraine
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To: jdm
The latest good news ABCCBSNBCCNNPBS doesn't want you to hear...surprisingly it is starting to show up on some of our local TV news, in passing at least - still not as much as on more reputable organizations such as Fox, but every bit helps, hopefully.......
39 posted on 11/19/2007 8:58:25 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: enough_idiocy
A huge attack with lots of lives lost. The meme becomes, look the gains were short lived, it’s hopeless, they’re back, it’ll never end, etc. All they need is a few spectacular attacks (same thing goes here in the US) and help from their MSM/DNC friends and the pendulum swings back the other way.

Doom and Gloom and Black Rain;...did you ever try to look at things, thru an optimistic prism, every now and then? You sound so much like my wife...

40 posted on 11/19/2007 9:09:03 PM PST by danmar (Tomorrow's life is too late. Live today!)
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To: jdm; Allegra; Brucifer


Well the weather outside is frightning ...
41 posted on 11/19/2007 9:27:03 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: jdm
Send Dingy Harry a Kleenex!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

42 posted on 11/19/2007 9:28:50 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: mdittmar

That would not surprise me from the Queen of Triangulation.


43 posted on 11/19/2007 9:49:16 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Bush gal in LA

No joke. Down the Orwellian Memory Hole.


44 posted on 11/19/2007 9:50:10 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Liberty Valance

Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow


45 posted on 11/19/2007 9:52:54 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: jdm
“How much do you want to bet that Hillary will come out within the next few weeks and say ‘Remember, peoples, I voted to go into Iraq and I’m very proud of my vote; look at all that we’re accomplishing.’”

She will, but not before she’s nominated; she has enough trouble with the Barking Moonbat (BM for short) Wing of the Dems as it is, and they’re the ones who vote in primaries.

46 posted on 11/19/2007 9:53:32 PM PST by decal (This tagline is subject to change without noti........)
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To: enough_idiocy

True. The press is waiting for a “Tet offensive” narrative. They want it so bad, they will likely do anything to make it happen, or contort events to make them appear to be a step back.

Interestingly, I don’t think that will happen until Iran feels that Hillary might be elected. Then, they will go hog wild in region, with the knowledge they can cut a favorable deal when she’s in office.


47 posted on 11/19/2007 10:01:26 PM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: jdm

“How much do you want to bet that Hillary will come out within the next few weeks and say “Remember, peoples, I voted to go into Iraq and I’m very proud of my vote; look at all that we’re accomplishing.”

Something like that, it will be more like “only our loud dissent and holding this adminstration accountable caused the course to change.”

Backstabbing the troops, to save the troops.


48 posted on 11/19/2007 10:11:01 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: lormand

..there is nobody left to kill over there...

its like the 800,000 dead they were citing this spring...

which is 4,000 per week continuously for 4 years..

which seems implausible.


49 posted on 11/19/2007 10:35:47 PM PST by angkor ("There! half man, half bear, and half pig! Do you see it?!." Al Gore, South Park 11.12)
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To: jdm

Darn for the Democrats, who cynically bet on failure.


50 posted on 11/19/2007 10:44:17 PM PST by Hornitos
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