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Mythical Roman cave 'unearthed'[Cave of Romulus and Remus?]
BBC ^ | 20 Nov 2007 | BBC

Posted on 11/20/2007 12:47:31 PM PST by BGHater

Probes revealed a ceiling with a white eagle at the centre


Italian archaeologists say they have found the long-lost underground grotto where ancient Romans believed a female wolf suckled the city's twin founders.

The cave believed to be the Lupercal was found near the ruins of Emperor Augustus' palace on the Palatine hill.

The 8m (26ft) high cave decorated with shells, mosaics and marble was found during restoration work on the palace.

According to mythology Romulus and Remus were nursed by a she-wolf after being left on the River Tiber's banks.

The twin sons of the god Mars and priestess Rhea Silvia are said to have later founded Rome on the Palatine in 753 BC.

This could reasonably be the place bearing witness to the myth of Rome - the legendary cave where the she-wolf suckled Romulus and Remus


Francesco Rutelli
Italian Culture Minister

The brothers ended up fighting over who should be in charge of the city, a power struggle which ended only after Romulus killed his brother.

In Roman times a popular festival called the Lupercalia was held annually on 15 February.

Young nobles called Luperci, taking their name from the place of the wolf (lupa), ran from the Lupercal around the bounds of the Palatine in what is believed to have been a purification ritual.

Naked, except for the skins of goats that had been sacrificed that day, they would strike women they met on the hands with strips of sacrificial goatskin to promote fertility.

'Astonishing history'

Presenting the discovery, Italian Culture Minister Francesco Rutelli said archaeologists were "reasonably certain" that the newly unearthed cave could be the Lupercal.

A statue showing the she-wolf suckling Romulus and Remus
According to myth, Romulus and Remus were nursed by a she-wolf

"This could reasonably be the place bearing witness to the myth of Rome, one of the most well-known cities in the world - the legendary cave where the she-wolf suckled Romulus and Remus, saving them from death," he said.

"Italy and Rome never cease to astonish the world with continual archaeological and artistic discoveries, and it is incredible to think that we have finally found a mythical site which, by our doing so, has become a real place."

The ancient cave was found 16m (52ft) underground in a previously unexplored area during restoration work on the palace of Augustus, the first Roman emperor.

Exploration of the cavity was hampered, however, by fears that it might collapse and damage the foundations of the surrounding ruins.

Explorations were hampered by fears the cave might collapse


Archaeologists therefore used endoscopes and laser scanners to study it, ascertaining that the circular structure was 8m (26ft) high and 7.5m (24ft) in diameter.

A camera probe later sent into the cave revealed a ceiling covered in shells, mosaics and coloured marble, with a white eagle at the centre.

"You can imagine our amazement - we almost screamed," said Professor Giorgio Croci, the head of the archaeological team working on the restoration of the Palatine, told reporters.

"It is clear that Augustus... wanted his residence to be built in a place which was sacred for the city of Rome," he added.

The Palatine hill is covered in palaces and other ancient monuments, from the 8th Century BC remains of Rome's first buildings to a mediaeval fortress and Renaissance villas.

After being closed for decades due to risk of collapse, parts of the hill will re-open to the public in February after a 12m-euro ($17.7m) restoration programme.

Map and cross-section showing cave under the Palatine hill


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: cave; godsgravesglyphs; remus; rome; romulus
A camera probe sent into the cave revealed a ceiling covered in shells, mosaics and coloured marble and with a white eagle at the centre.

Exploration of the cave was hampered by fears that it might collapse and damage the foundations of the monuments on the Palatine hill.

1 posted on 11/20/2007 12:47:34 PM PST by BGHater
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To: SunkenCiv

Roman ping.


2 posted on 11/20/2007 12:48:06 PM PST by BGHater (Lead. The MSG for the 21st Century.)
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To: BGHater

Interesting............

3 posted on 11/20/2007 12:49:05 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: BGHater

Archaeologists have deciphered some of the glyphs and found that Romulus killed Remus in a fit of rage when he discovered the Remus had saved a lot of money on his car insurance by switching to GEICO....


4 posted on 11/20/2007 12:51:31 PM PST by Tanniker Smith ("What are we doing tomorrow night?" "Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world!")
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Very cool!

Love seeing that things like this haven’t already all been discovered - and makes you wonder what else is hiding out there, just outside our cities and towns? or sometimes buried underneath them?


5 posted on 11/20/2007 12:51:41 PM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: BGHater

In my art history class we just got finished with early Rome. One of my final “scholar” notes was on the Capitoline Wolf.

Gonna have to email this off to my instructor


6 posted on 11/20/2007 12:54:31 PM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: BGHater
If the other brother had won the city would be named Reme?
7 posted on 11/20/2007 1:01:06 PM PST by OSHA (Liberals will lick the boot on their necks if they think the other boot is on yours and mine.)
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To: OSHA
If the other brother had won the city would be named Reme?

Somehow "Remen Legions" just doesn't sound as cool.

8 posted on 11/20/2007 1:06:07 PM PST by Gator101 (Don't tase me, Bro!)
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To: BGHater

Those photos are amazing.


9 posted on 11/20/2007 1:10:54 PM PST by what's up
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To: Gator101

But he’s got a friend named Biggus Dickus.


10 posted on 11/20/2007 1:10:55 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Red Badger
"Fascinating."

11 posted on 11/20/2007 1:16:20 PM PST by Bratch (“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”)
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To: Tanniker Smith

LOLOLOLOL!!!! Good one!

I’m not into little lizards, as cute as they are. Mercury is my kind of guy!


12 posted on 11/20/2007 1:17:41 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Should’ve worshipped the lizard....


13 posted on 11/20/2007 1:19:19 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: BGHater

Funny that there were no wolves but a white eagle.


14 posted on 11/20/2007 1:20:02 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: massgopguy

He has a wife, you know...


15 posted on 11/20/2007 1:40:11 PM PST by Gator101 (Don't tase me, Bro!)
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To: BGHater

The standard of the so called “lost Jewish tribe” of Dan was of white and red and the crest upon it an eagle. . .Jacob had compared Dan to a serpent.

Ahiezer substituted the eagle, the destroyer of serpents, as he shrank from carrying an adder upon his flag.” [Unger, p. 273]


16 posted on 11/20/2007 1:41:01 PM PST by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: BGHater

They found the cave of Uncle Remus? Any mention of Brer Rabbit?

17 posted on 11/20/2007 1:54:41 PM PST by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: Enterprise
Heh. I was actually expecting Uncle Remus earlier in the thread.
18 posted on 11/20/2007 1:58:06 PM PST by BGHater (Lead. The MSG for the 21st Century.)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
Very cool! Love seeing that things like this haven’t already all been discovered - and makes you wonder what else is hiding out there, just outside our cities and towns? or sometimes buried underneath them?

Duh. Just watch a Simpson Episode. You get to see the stuff that's buried just below the floorboards and under the foundations all the time! :^)

19 posted on 11/20/2007 2:01:08 PM PST by Experiment 6-2-6 (Admn Mods: tiny, malicious things that glare and gibber from dark corners.They have pins and dolls..)
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To: Gator101
If the other brother had won the city would be named Reme?

Somehow "Remen Legions" just doesn't sound as cool.

The National Lampoon already explored that decades ago. They had drawn a statue of "Reamus" being nursed by a he-wolf.

20 posted on 11/20/2007 2:01:19 PM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Red Badger

Romulans; Vulcans with attitude.


21 posted on 11/20/2007 2:02:51 PM PST by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: BGHater
This could reasonably be the place bearing witness to the myth of Rome - the legendary cave where the she-wolf suckled Romulus and Remus

Translation: since Roman gods probably exist(ed), God the Creator is likely just another myth.

22 posted on 11/20/2007 2:28:53 PM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: BGHater
Although mythical characters come from mythical places apparently there is at least a little truth to this myth.

Buuuuut ... maybe not!

23 posted on 11/20/2007 3:12:09 PM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: BGHater

Seems clear to me that the cave, at least, isn’t mythical.


24 posted on 11/20/2007 3:17:15 PM PST by wildbill
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To: BGHater

More Clues in the Legend (or Is It Fact?) of Romulus[Rome]
The New York Times | 12 June 2007 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
Posted on 06/13/2007 9:21:26 AM EDT by BGHater
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1849455/posts

and alas...

Sanctuary of Rome’s ‘Founder’ Revealed
Yahoo! News (AP) | 11/20/2007 | Ariel David
Posted on 11/20/2007 1:08:23 PM EST by Pyro7480
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1928421/posts


25 posted on 11/20/2007 6:56:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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