Skip to comments.Swift Boat issue becomes crucial to Kerry anew
Posted on 11/21/2007 5:45:09 AM PST by GQuagmire
WASHINGTON - Senator John F. Kerry, in aggressively pursuing a forum in which to disprove allegations about his Vietnam military service, is drawing new attention to an issue that he was slow to address during his 2004 presidential campaign but that he now contends is vital to his political future.
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“While Kerry refrained from immediately responding to the attacks - damaging his campaign, in the view of many analysts - he became more aggressive after the election about making his case. In 2005, pressed by news organizations including the Globe, Kerry authorized the Navy to release his complete military and medical records. The records appeared to contain nothing to dispute Kerry’s accounts of his service.”
“And then there was the strawberry incident...”
Sounds like ol John may be facing a cash crisis at home and desperately looking at T Boone Pickens offer as a way out.
IMHO, we should all stay focused on electing the absoulte best conservative possible in the primaries and then helping that individual defeat whichever enemy-abetting, socialist the democrats throw-up...and I don't mean that figuratively.
But that's just my opinion.
When truth attacks liberal cry swiftboating. How cool is that?
Kerry's quest to refute the Swift Boat Vets is clearly in the same alternative universe as O.J.'s search for the real killer of Nicole and Ron.
Kerry has signed the document to release his military records?
Apparently the Globe needs a fact checker.
LA TIMES & BOSTON GLOBE: "THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE IN JOHN KERRY'S FORM 180, TRUST US!"
The beauty of all this is that Kerry is taking the bait right as the 2008 election cycle kicks into gear, reminding the country how unreliable the Democrat Party can be on national security, war and peace issues.
“Kerry’s quest to refute the Swift Boat Vets is clearly in the same alternative universe as O.J.’s search for the real killer of Nicole and Ron.”
This could be as much fun to watch as the lawsuit filed against CBS by Dan Rather...watch for a another wave of exploding heads over at Moveon.org.
John F-T-A Kerry is saying that the “rules” of this wager have been changed.
Isn’t it more important to him to clear his “good” name? What should the money matter? It isn’t just about the money, is it John?
Surely you can prove that all of the charges were lies. Right, John? I mean, the wager is to disprove one but the standard I hold is that you were as they depict you. Disproving one does not disprove them all.
Clear your name or shut up. Wave a million dollars under a gigolo’s nose and you never know what he might do.
Unfortunately, the Libs have coined the term “swiftboating” as a verb to slime your opponent. It should be a reference to torpedoing someone’s election hopes with the hard truth.
sKerry primping (with or without the r) for the “saviour” candidate? veep?
Amen to your HO.
Jeff Beatty is not a nobody.
I think he is crazy if he tries to dispute them all. If I were him, I would 'disprove' 1 of the charges - some key one. The press will dutifully claim that everything the SBV claimed is now questionable, and John will be a hero.
He signed it a while back. There was a thread about this a couple of years ago. But he never sent it in to the appropriate office. So I believe him when he says he signed it. Now he should send it in.
That way he can disprove my assertion that he recieved a general discharge for the good of the Navy or perhaps a general discharge (under other than honorable conditions).
What are you waiting for Mr. Kerry? Let’s see what you got.
The hell with swift boating - hah! - prepare to be freeped!
I don't see how letting one friendly reporter look through the records and say there's nothing to see there (except items that would make the bashful Kerry look even more heroic) is much different.
We all know that Kerry way dishonorable discharged from the navy for meeting with the VietCong in Paris in 1971
I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again....
His discharge was upgraded by Jimmy Carter in 1977 in the Amnesty Order
Hanoi John Kerry has NEVER released ALL of his military records. That is a bald faced LIE. I would bet my house that if he did release ALL of his military records we would all see that he got a “less than honorable” discharge for his anti-war activities and then that “less than honorable” discharge was converted back to honorable by Jimmy Carter in 1978 when he pardoned the draft dodgers.
Who are the “somebodies” that you suggest should run against him?
You are the war criminals sir. Your crew killed the 13 year old girl. You are the war criminal. You did not serve a tour in Viet Nam. You cut and ran.
No one knows how Kerry got this approved months after he left the first command and no after action report was filed, which is required for a PH. Kerry's official records would disclose that.
Hey Kerry...release that form!!! THAT will prove EVERYTHING...HAHAHHA!
That's why he hasn't refuted these claims! He's having trouble finding a forum! Might I suggest this thread right here on FreeRepublic to the Senator?
Selective release to selected reporter.
Did he ever file that Form 180? I know he signed it...
Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records
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By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005
The file includes a previously reported reference to Kerry being treated for the wound and that he was awarded the Purple Heart, but it does not address the details of the combat that night. No after-action report for the incident has been found.
So, Jean-Francois, what's stopping you? Why the public argument with Pickens if you truly are "prepared to prove the lie and marshal all the evidence"? In the words of Nike, "Just Do It". Put the issue to bed and prove your case.
Otherwise, sit down and shut up!
It is so tiresome to read lies about the swiftboat group. The Kerry campaign ran a photo of him along with 19 fellow swiftboat officers. Of those 19, 12 believe that he is unfit for command. Not that he would be mediocre...that he is UNFIT. 12 out of 19. Only 3 thought he was fit, and the others are either deceased or neutral. There is no lie there. Each of the 12 could be interviewed if any journalist had any doubt.
Then the swifties said that Kerry got a medal for saving a companion — claiming that he was under heavy automatic weapon and small arms fire, but there was not a single bullet hole in the 5 boats in the river, and none of the other sailors suffered a bullet wound. Thirty minutes of shooting at 50 foot long boats, at point blank range, and the VC didn’t hit a thing. The swifties didn’t say that Kerry lied... they just reported the true facts and let us decide. I decided that Kerry is a liar.
Best chance would be a Dem “heavyweight” from Mass.Two problems. No Dem will go against the unwritten rule here about running against an incumbent. Also Mass. is such a blue state there are virtually no Republicans with any name recognition around. However, monsieur Kerrie will win by a slimmer than usual margin.Even Ted K. had 37% vote against him in 2006.
Sorry I’ve never heard of Beatty. I will keep an eye on him from now on.Hopefully he can make headway and give Lurch a run for his money.
Sorry for being in a negative mood, but I see little hope for a country in which that issue is not fromt and center, and he lost the presidency by only one state.
..the swiftboaters called me unilateral...boo hoo...
Kerry is such a tool. He needs another PR beating about his sexed up war record like a hole in the head. And he’s so faux butch when he tries to act masculine.
I bet the whiff of his perfume as he waltz’s thru the room is sickening.
That wasn’t the case when the evidence reported by Dan Rather was proven to be fabricated. There was no extensive reporting as to the ORIGINS of the hoax or the lines of communication between the DNC and the media that brought the hoaxed documents to the public’s attention as legitimate news.
They still claim that was the evidence may be “questionable” (never admit guilt), they proclaim “fake but accurate”.
“Unfortunately, the Libs have coined the term swiftboating as a verb to slime your opponent. It should be a reference to torpedoing someones election hopes with the hard truth”.
They think they are clever in their use of ‘swiftboating’, as opposed to ‘Borked’. However, the Swiftboaters were telling the truth, and what happened to Judge Bork was a tragedy of justice.
Interestingly, presidential-hopeful Obama recently used the term ‘swiftboating’ in reference to the rumored secret dirt Hillary has on him. The Democrats are trying desperately to assume the mantle of a moral highground, and must look to the Republicans for guidance on just how to portray themselves. But they are lying, whereas the ‘pub’s have always been telling it straight. ‘Swiftboating’ is, therefore, a nonsense term — a ‘non sequiter’— and won’t survive to find its way into any respectable dictionary.
Andrew Card? I really don’t care to be involved in replacing Kerry with another Dem.
Kerry spent 4 and 1/2 months in-country. All of his wounds were probably self-inflicted. The first PH "wound" was suffered when he fired an M-79 grenade launcher on a training mission on a skimmer. No hostile fire. The second PH was apparently also self-inflicted using an M-79 grenade launcher. The skipper of the boat trailing Kerry's states that there was no intense rocket and rifle fire as reported by Kerry. The third PH resulted from Kerry wounding himself in the buttocks trying to blow up a cache of rice.
That can’t be right...
HUH? How can they have changed? Why doesn't this surprise me?
When they use it to complain, that's exactly what it does mean~!
Wait a minute... Don Imus got fired for stuff like that... Oh wait a minute...