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Swift Boat issue becomes crucial to Kerry anew
Boston Globe ^ | November 21, 2007 | Sasha Issenberg

Posted on 11/21/2007 5:45:09 AM PST by GQuagmire

WASHINGTON - Senator John F. Kerry, in aggressively pursuing a forum in which to disprove allegations about his Vietnam military service, is drawing new attention to an issue that he was slow to address during his 2004 presidential campaign but that he now contends is vital to his political future.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: kerry; letitgoyoulost; loser; lurch; swiftboat; swiftboatvets; unfit
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B.S. Globe weighing in.It's too bad there are nobody's running against him for the Senate.
1 posted on 11/21/2007 5:45:10 AM PST by GQuagmire
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To: GQuagmire

“While Kerry refrained from immediately responding to the attacks - damaging his campaign, in the view of many analysts - he became more aggressive after the election about making his case. In 2005, pressed by news organizations including the Globe, Kerry authorized the Navy to release his complete military and medical records. The records appeared to contain nothing to dispute Kerry’s accounts of his service.”

Fire away


2 posted on 11/21/2007 5:46:08 AM PST by GQuagmire (Giggety,Giggety,Giggety)
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To: GQuagmire

“And then there was the strawberry incident...”


3 posted on 11/21/2007 5:46:22 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: GQuagmire

Sounds like ol John may be facing a cash crisis at home and desperately looking at T Boone Pickens offer as a way out.


4 posted on 11/21/2007 5:49:06 AM PST by MoMagic
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To: GQuagmire
This is a waisted distaraction IMHO. Kerry ran for President, this info came out, the people made their choice and he lost.

IMHO, we should all stay focused on electing the absoulte best conservative possible in the primaries and then helping that individual defeat whichever enemy-abetting, socialist the democrats throw-up...and I don't mean that figuratively.

But that's just my opinion.

5 posted on 11/21/2007 5:50:08 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Wolfie

Classic!!!


6 posted on 11/21/2007 5:50:25 AM PST by seanmerc
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To: GQuagmire
Jengis Jon desperately seeking relevance
7 posted on 11/21/2007 5:51:37 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: GQuagmire

When truth attacks liberal cry swiftboating. How cool is that?


8 posted on 11/21/2007 5:51:40 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: GQuagmire
Chances are that if Senator Kerry could refute the Swift Boat Vets he would have done so in timely fashion so that it would not have scuttled his aspirations for the Presidency.

Kerry's quest to refute the Swift Boat Vets is clearly in the same alternative universe as O.J.'s search for the real killer of Nicole and Ron.

9 posted on 11/21/2007 5:52:18 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: GQuagmire; Terriergal

Kerry has signed the document to release his military records?
Apparently the Globe needs a fact checker.


10 posted on 11/21/2007 5:55:44 AM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: GQuagmire
In 2005, pressed by news organizations including the Globe, Kerry authorized the Navy to release his complete military and medical records. The records appeared to contain nothing to dispute Kerry’s accounts of his service.”

LA TIMES & BOSTON GLOBE: "THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE IN JOHN KERRY'S FORM 180, TRUST US!"

11 posted on 11/21/2007 5:57:04 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: GQuagmire

The beauty of all this is that Kerry is taking the bait right as the 2008 election cycle kicks into gear, reminding the country how unreliable the Democrat Party can be on national security, war and peace issues.


12 posted on 11/21/2007 5:57:48 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: steelyourfaith

“Kerry’s quest to refute the Swift Boat Vets is clearly in the same alternative universe as O.J.’s search for the real killer of Nicole and Ron.”

This could be as much fun to watch as the lawsuit filed against CBS by Dan Rather...watch for a another wave of exploding heads over at Moveon.org.


13 posted on 11/21/2007 5:58:30 AM PST by Clioman
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To: GQuagmire

John F-T-A Kerry is saying that the “rules” of this wager have been changed.

Isn’t it more important to him to clear his “good” name? What should the money matter? It isn’t just about the money, is it John?

Surely you can prove that all of the charges were lies. Right, John? I mean, the wager is to disprove one but the standard I hold is that you were as they depict you. Disproving one does not disprove them all.

Clear your name or shut up. Wave a million dollars under a gigolo’s nose and you never know what he might do.


14 posted on 11/21/2007 6:00:06 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: Clioman

Unfortunately, the Libs have coined the term “swiftboating” as a verb to slime your opponent. It should be a reference to torpedoing someone’s election hopes with the hard truth.


15 posted on 11/21/2007 6:02:09 AM PST by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: GQuagmire

sKerry primping (with or without the r) for the “saviour” candidate? veep?


16 posted on 11/21/2007 6:03:27 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Jeff Head

Amen to your HO.


17 posted on 11/21/2007 6:03:50 AM PST by wita
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To: GQuagmire
B.S. Globe weighing in.It's too bad there are nobody's running against him for the Senate.

Jeff Beatty is not a nobody.

18 posted on 11/21/2007 6:05:03 AM PST by NeoCaveman ("Don't doubt me" - El Rushbo, alternative tagline: Hunter/Pissant 2008)
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To: weegee
Surely you can prove that all of the charges were lies.

I think he is crazy if he tries to dispute them all. If I were him, I would 'disprove' 1 of the charges - some key one. The press will dutifully claim that everything the SBV claimed is now questionable, and John will be a hero.

19 posted on 11/21/2007 6:08:31 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Member VRWC - Volvo-owning right-wing conspiracy.)
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To: GOPPachyderm
Kerry has signed the document to release his military records?

He signed it a while back. There was a thread about this a couple of years ago. But he never sent it in to the appropriate office. So I believe him when he says he signed it. Now he should send it in.

That way he can disprove my assertion that he recieved a general discharge for the good of the Navy or perhaps a general discharge (under other than honorable conditions).

20 posted on 11/21/2007 6:09:26 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: GQuagmire

What are you waiting for Mr. Kerry? Let’s see what you got.

The hell with swift boating - hah! - prepare to be freeped!


21 posted on 11/21/2007 6:10:52 AM PST by mom.mom
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To: GQuagmire
Nixon wanted to avoid releasing the tapes and just have Sen. Stennis listen to them. If the media had been willing to go along with that, and then accept a statement from Stennis that there was nothing warranting impeachment in the tapes, Nixon would have served out his term.

I don't see how letting one friendly reporter look through the records and say there's nothing to see there (except items that would make the bashful Kerry look even more heroic) is much different.

22 posted on 11/21/2007 6:16:44 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Jeff Head
Isn't sKerry running for re-election in Mass? Which would explain why all of this is back in the news.

We all know that Kerry way dishonorable discharged from the navy for meeting with the VietCong in Paris in 1971

I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again....

His discharge was upgraded by Jimmy Carter in 1977 in the Amnesty Order

23 posted on 11/21/2007 6:17:39 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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To: GQuagmire

Hanoi John Kerry has NEVER released ALL of his military records. That is a bald faced LIE. I would bet my house that if he did release ALL of his military records we would all see that he got a “less than honorable” discharge for his anti-war activities and then that “less than honorable” discharge was converted back to honorable by Jimmy Carter in 1978 when he pardoned the draft dodgers.

Semper Fi’
Jarhed


25 posted on 11/21/2007 6:19:20 AM PST by Buffettfan (3rd Battalion, 6th Marines, 2ndMarDiv - 1971 - 1974)
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To: GQuagmire

Who are the “somebodies” that you suggest should run against him?


26 posted on 11/21/2007 6:19:24 AM PST by kabar
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To: GQuagmire
Kerry come clean. It is about time you come clean about the 250,000 veterans you defamed. You caused much grief by you and your group of liars calling Veterans “baby killers”. How many people lost jobs because of you? You defamed Veterans by calling us “war criminals”

You are the war criminals sir. Your crew killed the 13 year old girl. You are the war criminal. You did not serve a tour in Viet Nam. You cut and ran.

27 posted on 11/21/2007 6:25:10 AM PST by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: GQuagmire
Unfit for Command by John O'Neil and Jerome Corsi go into some detail on Kerry's lies. The real problem is that Kerry was the primary source for much of the official record. The SBVFT, including Kerry's chain of command, point out, based on firsthand information, that these are lies. For example, Adm. William Schachte: 'No enemy fire': One of John Kerry's superior officers disputes the circumstances Kerry claims led to the awarding of his first Purple Heart.

No one knows how Kerry got this approved months after he left the first command and no after action report was filed, which is required for a PH. Kerry's official records would disclose that.

28 posted on 11/21/2007 6:26:39 AM PST by kabar
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To: GQuagmire

29 posted on 11/21/2007 6:27:59 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Kerry signed a 180 but only authorized a release to three sympathetic reporters. He has not authorized a release to the general public.

John Kerry Signs Form 180 to release military records

30 posted on 11/21/2007 6:29:00 AM PST by kabar
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To: GQuagmire

Hey Kerry...release that form!!! THAT will prove EVERYTHING...HAHAHHA!


31 posted on 11/21/2007 6:31:27 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: GQuagmire
aggressively pursuing a forum in which to disprove allegations about his Vietnam military service

That's why he hasn't refuted these claims! He's having trouble finding a forum! Might I suggest this thread right here on FreeRepublic to the Senator?

ML/NJ

32 posted on 11/21/2007 6:32:57 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: GQuagmire
In 2005, pressed by news organizations including the Globe, Kerry authorized the Navy to release his complete military and medical records. The records appeared to contain nothing to dispute Kerry’s accounts of his service.”

Selective release to selected reporter.

Did he ever file that Form 180? I know he signed it...

33 posted on 11/21/2007 6:33:53 AM PST by gridlock (Recycling is the new Religion.)
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To: GQuagmire

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/kerry_allows_navy_release_of_military_medical_records/

Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records
Show numerous commendations

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

The file includes a previously reported reference to Kerry being treated for the wound and that he was awarded the Purple Heart, but it does not address the details of the combat that night. No after-action report for the incident has been found.


34 posted on 11/21/2007 6:39:28 AM PST by maggief
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To: GQuagmire
Kerry yesterday accused Pickens of "parsing and backtracking" on his initial offer and said he is "prepared to prove the lie and marshal all the evidence."

So, Jean-Francois, what's stopping you? Why the public argument with Pickens if you truly are "prepared to prove the lie and marshal all the evidence"? In the words of Nike, "Just Do It". Put the issue to bed and prove your case.

Otherwise, sit down and shut up!

35 posted on 11/21/2007 6:45:29 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: GQuagmire

It is so tiresome to read lies about the swiftboat group. The Kerry campaign ran a photo of him along with 19 fellow swiftboat officers. Of those 19, 12 believe that he is unfit for command. Not that he would be mediocre...that he is UNFIT. 12 out of 19. Only 3 thought he was fit, and the others are either deceased or neutral. There is no lie there. Each of the 12 could be interviewed if any journalist had any doubt.

Then the swifties said that Kerry got a medal for saving a companion — claiming that he was under heavy automatic weapon and small arms fire, but there was not a single bullet hole in the 5 boats in the river, and none of the other sailors suffered a bullet wound. Thirty minutes of shooting at 50 foot long boats, at point blank range, and the VC didn’t hit a thing. The swifties didn’t say that Kerry lied... they just reported the true facts and let us decide. I decided that Kerry is a liar.


36 posted on 11/21/2007 6:45:46 AM PST by Aegedius (Veni, vidi, icked-kay utt-bay.)
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To: kabar; NeoCaveman

Best chance would be a Dem “heavyweight” from Mass.Two problems. No Dem will go against the unwritten rule here about running against an incumbent. Also Mass. is such a blue state there are virtually no Republicans with any name recognition around. However, monsieur Kerrie will win by a slimmer than usual margin.Even Ted K. had 37% vote against him in 2006.


37 posted on 11/21/2007 6:58:54 AM PST by GQuagmire (Giggety,Giggety,Giggety)
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To: NeoCaveman

Sorry I’ve never heard of Beatty. I will keep an eye on him from now on.Hopefully he can make headway and give Lurch a run for his money.


38 posted on 11/21/2007 7:04:45 AM PST by GQuagmire (Giggety,Giggety,Giggety)
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To: GQuagmire
The real issue was Kerry meeting with the N Vietnamese communists while we were at war, while he opposed the war, and giving them aid and comfort at the Paris peace talks, which undoubtedly prolonged the war.

Sorry for being in a negative mood, but I see little hope for a country in which that issue is not fromt and center, and he lost the presidency by only one state.

39 posted on 11/21/2007 7:19:03 AM PST by Williams
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To: Aegedius

..the swiftboaters called me unilateral...boo hoo...

Kerry is such a tool. He needs another PR beating about his sexed up war record like a hole in the head. And he’s so faux butch when he tries to act masculine.

I bet the whiff of his perfume as he waltz’s thru the room is sickening.


40 posted on 11/21/2007 7:19:59 AM PST by y6162
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To: GQuagmire

41 posted on 11/21/2007 7:26:51 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

That wasn’t the case when the evidence reported by Dan Rather was proven to be fabricated. There was no extensive reporting as to the ORIGINS of the hoax or the lines of communication between the DNC and the media that brought the hoaxed documents to the public’s attention as legitimate news.

They still claim that was the evidence may be “questionable” (never admit guilt), they proclaim “fake but accurate”.


42 posted on 11/21/2007 8:14:50 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: teddyballgame

“Unfortunately, the Libs have coined the term “swiftboating” as a verb to slime your opponent. It should be a reference to torpedoing someone’s election hopes with the hard truth”.

They think they are clever in their use of ‘swiftboating’, as opposed to ‘Borked’. However, the Swiftboaters were telling the truth, and what happened to Judge Bork was a tragedy of justice.

Interestingly, presidential-hopeful Obama recently used the term ‘swiftboating’ in reference to the rumored secret dirt Hillary has on him. The Democrats are trying desperately to assume the mantle of a moral highground, and must look to the Republicans for guidance on just how to portray themselves. But they are lying, whereas the ‘pub’s have always been telling it straight. ‘Swiftboating’ is, therefore, a nonsense term — a ‘non sequiter’— and won’t survive to find its way into any respectable dictionary.


43 posted on 11/21/2007 8:19:06 AM PST by perchprism
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Why does this malingering serial liar even bring this up? He spent barely 3 months in Vietnam and cowardly skulked away with 3 “wounds”, at least one of which was apparently self-inflicted, that were no more serious than paper cuts. Then he used political influence to be discharged early from the Navy and spent the next couple of years using lies and slanders to bring about a communist victory over America in Vietnam. He likened our soldiers to the hordes of Ghengis Khan, he said he had seen atrocities which he later admitted he had not seen, he said had been in Cambodia when he had not ,he filled his phony “vets” organization with malingerers like himself and, incredibly, with people who had never been in the service at all. A thoroughly despicable human being.
44 posted on 11/21/2007 9:20:08 AM PST by Godwin1
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To: GQuagmire

Andrew Card? I really don’t care to be involved in replacing Kerry with another Dem.


45 posted on 11/21/2007 9:48:57 AM PST by kabar
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To: Godwin1
He spent barely 3 months in Vietnam and cowardly skulked away with 3 “wounds”, at least one of which was apparently self-inflicted, that were no more serious than paper cuts.

Kerry spent 4 and 1/2 months in-country. All of his wounds were probably self-inflicted. The first PH "wound" was suffered when he fired an M-79 grenade launcher on a training mission on a skimmer. No hostile fire. The second PH was apparently also self-inflicted using an M-79 grenade launcher. The skipper of the boat trailing Kerry's states that there was no intense rocket and rifle fire as reported by Kerry. The third PH resulted from Kerry wounding himself in the buttocks trying to blow up a cache of rice.

46 posted on 11/21/2007 10:03:43 AM PST by kabar
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To: GOPPachyderm

That can’t be right...


47 posted on 11/23/2007 2:57:26 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: weegee
John F-T-A Kerry is saying that the “rules” of this wager have been changed.

HUH? How can they have changed? Why doesn't this surprise me?

48 posted on 11/23/2007 2:58:50 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: teddyballgame
Unfortunately, the Libs have coined the term “swiftboating” as a verb to slime your opponent. It should be a reference to torpedoing someone’s election hopes with the hard truth.

When they use it to complain, that's exactly what it does mean~!

49 posted on 11/23/2007 3:00:04 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: wita; Jeff Head
Amen to your HO.

Wait a minute... Don Imus got fired for stuff like that... Oh wait a minute...

50 posted on 11/23/2007 3:01:32 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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