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Ron Paul Courts 9-11 Troofers on Alex Jones Show...Again (Paging Ministry of Silly Explanations)
The Jawa Report ^ | November 21, 2007

Posted on 11/21/2007 9:31:52 PM PST by West Coast Conservative



Apparently, America's greatest patriot was on Loonwaffle/Trooferville's favorite radio show today with the King Nutbar himself, although I'm not sure if anyone grabbed audio.

If you want to listen to the rebroadcast stream, go here. I don't feel like it. Have fun.


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1 posted on 11/21/2007 9:31:54 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative
Huh, that's odd. The Paulites keep reassuring us that Dr. Paul wants nothing to do with Troofers. Yet he keeps going back on the radio show of the king of 9/11 conspiracies. Can't wait to see their latest excuse for this one... *snicker*
2 posted on 11/21/2007 9:39:29 PM PST by thecabal
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To: West Coast Conservative
I'm guessing that there are a lot of truthers out there.

Aren't most truthers democrats, though? The rest are probably not even from the USA.

3 posted on 11/21/2007 10:08:22 PM PST by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki
The Anti-Semetic is well represented there too. You do know that 4000 Jews called in sick that day, that certain stocks were manipulated on Wall Street, that Israeli agents.... etc.

The usual “Hate the Jews” BS. Happens about every 80 years.

4 posted on 11/21/2007 10:36:24 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Paul is just “old dogging it”. He has been a protest candidate forever. He does not deny anything, even his Paul Newsletter stuff. Ever noticed that Paul’s supporters are the one’s denying and defending their own platforms. The ones they believe that Paul supports.

The more of these “interviews” he does, the more he gets his minions to defend him. As an “old dog”, he is just keeping quiet, spending the money, and letting the “protest candidates” do his protesting and oftentimes making fools of themselves. All the while knowing full well he has no chance, won’t run again, and can go out a little more loudly than he thought.


5 posted on 11/21/2007 10:48:01 PM PST by crazyshrink (Being uninformed is one thing, choosing ignorance is a whole different problem.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Cue the Ministry of Silly Explanations...known as MiniSilEx for short. Orwell would be proud.


6 posted on 11/21/2007 11:05:09 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: Schnucki

Anyone who thinks the 9/11 Commission report represents the “truth” is poorly informed. Pools of molten steel, explosions in the basements, count-downs for the demolition of WTC7 broadcast over police radio, and a complete failure to investigate the money trail are not the realm of Democrats and aliens; they are things that people interested in a Free Republic ought to know about.


7 posted on 11/21/2007 11:15:57 PM PST by Iconoclast2 (Two wings of the same bird of prey . . .)
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To: West Coast Conservative

“The Jawa Report”

Hehehe....sand people, LOL!


8 posted on 11/21/2007 11:22:52 PM PST by Grunthor (Glenn Beck is performing Paul Revere’s function the hard way – without a horse.)
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To: Iconoclast2

Yikes.


9 posted on 11/21/2007 11:24:45 PM PST by MitchellC (Today is Fred's Giving Day! www.fred08.com)
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To: Iconoclast2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

Enjoy.


10 posted on 11/21/2007 11:27:14 PM PST by Grunthor (Glenn Beck is performing Paul Revere’s function the hard way – without a horse.)
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To: Iconoclast2
Actually they are the things stated by people with the IQ of mayonnaise.
11 posted on 11/21/2007 11:51:48 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: MitchellC

They walk among us.


12 posted on 11/21/2007 11:52:12 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat

The troof is out there!


13 posted on 11/22/2007 12:04:24 AM PST by MitchellC (Today is Fred's Giving Day! www.fred08.com)
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To: Iconoclast2
Out of complete ignorance I once engaged this discussion with several online folks.

Because I love watching movies and such, I was even willing to believe some of what was claimed by truthers was possible.

All I wanted was something like reasonable evidence and all I ever got was dishonesty, "knowing" comments and extremely convoluted counter-interpretations of the obvious.

Grappling with the claims on a point-by-point basis helped me realize that the 911 truth movement is a complete, money-making scam.

The 911 truth movement is really just another religious cult.

14 posted on 11/22/2007 3:01:55 AM PST by Schnucki
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To: West Coast Conservative
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"We're still on for tea and castration, right Ron? I'll bring the dull scissors..."

15 posted on 11/22/2007 3:08:28 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: MitchellC

Paul is gonna get Hitleroid elected.


16 posted on 11/22/2007 3:32:06 AM PST by P8triot1
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To: Iconoclast2

http://www.debunking911.com/


17 posted on 11/22/2007 3:37:37 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Scrape the bottom, vote for Rodham!)
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To: Iconoclast2
Anyone who thinks the 9/11 Commission report represents the “truth” is poorly informed. Pools of molten steel, explosions in the basements, count-downs for the demolition of WTC7 broadcast over police radio, and a complete failure to investigate the money trail are not the realm of Democrats and aliens; they are things that people interested in a Free Republic ought to know about.

Do you also believe Hunter S. Thompson was assassinated because he was about to 1) expose a child-molesting ring of Washington insiders that gathered at Bohemian Grove and/or 2) was preparing to write about WTC building #7 and that "they" made it look like an accident, regardless of the fact that Thompson has a history of reckless wielding of firearms a la Phil Spector? Alex Jones believes that too.

Alex Jones lists this as his job on his IRS form: The Man Who Will Believe You When Nobody Else Will No Matter How Implausible Your Story. (Just kidding, he probably doesn't even pay taxes. At least, that's what I heard...somewhere...and I believe it!) </sarcasm>

18 posted on 11/22/2007 3:43:38 AM PST by L.N. Smithee
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To: P8triot1

My understanding is that Ron Paul has no interest in running as a third party. I’m sure that his “giving up” after he loses the nomination won’t sit well with his legion of net.followers, though, so who knows.


19 posted on 11/22/2007 3:50:09 AM PST by MitchellC (Donate today! www.fred08.com)
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To: L.N. Smithee

As a physics major, I take a scientific approach, not a faith-based approach. The problem, of course, is that I have to approach the problem based on “evidence” from secondary sources.

But consider this “fact sheet” from the National Institute of Standards:

“7a. How could the steel have melted if the fires in the WTC towers weren’t hot enough to do so?
OR
7b. Since the melting point of steel is about 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit, the temperature of jet fuel fires does not exceed 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit and Underwriters Laboratories (UL) certified the steel in the WTC towers to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit for six hours, how could fires have impacted the steel enough to bring down the WTC towers?

“In no instance did NIST report that steel in the WTC towers melted due to the fires. The melting point of steel is about 1,500 degrees Celsius (2,800 degrees Fahrenheit). Normal building fires and hydrocarbon (e.g., jet fuel) fires generate temperatures up to about 1,100 degrees Celsius (2,000 degrees Fahrenheit). NIST reported maximum upper layer air temperatures of about 1,000 degrees Celsius (1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) in the WTC towers (for example, see NCSTAR 1, Figure 6-36).

“However, when bare steel reaches temperatures of 1,000 degrees Celsius, it softens and its strength reduces to roughly 10 percent of its room temperature value. Steel that is unprotected (e.g., if the fireproofing is dislodged) can reach the air temperature within the time period that the fires burned within the towers. Thus, yielding and buckling of the steel members (floor trusses, beams, and both core and exterior columns) with missing fireproofing were expected under the fire intensity and duration determined by NIST for the WTC towers.”

Is it not obvious from this source (http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm) that (1) the existence of molten steel is not disputed and (2) no attempt whatsover is offered to explain how it got there, and indeed, NIST agrees that it didn’t come from the fires? The physics professor who publicly offered a plausible hypothesis for this (thermite) was then forced out of BYU.

There are many other anomalies. San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown publicly blurted out that he was advised not to fly that day; enterprising SF Chronicle reporters attempted to track down the source of the warning and got nowhere. On Youtube, one can hear Guiliani saying, on 9/11/01, that he received a warning that the Twin Towers were going to come down before they did; it is a VCR recording of him speaking, over the phone, to Peter Jennings (if I recall correctly). There seems to be no dispute that workers attempting to remove gold below the site found that someone else had gotten there first, perhaps abandoning the effort before completion, yet the site was very highly guarded. On Youtube, you can see several people who purport to be workers at WTC testifying to explosions in the basement before the Towers came down.

There are many, many anomalies that any competent investigation would address, yet none do. If one bothers to take the considerable amount of time it takes to learn the details, the overall impression becomes more and more disturbing. It is only the ignorant that regard the 9/11 Commission report as providing any degree of closure on the subject.

Of course, there are many “truthers” who are credulous idiots, and their idiotic theories tend to cast discredit upon those who raise legitimate questions.

One does not have to be a Left-wing Bush-hating fanatic to raise these questions. It is possible that a good President, upon discovering that criminal elements associated with intelligence agencies knew in advance about a terrorist plan to strike the Towers and profited by it would decide that it was better to punish the perpetrators privately. I would disagree with that determination, and see no evidence that any such punishments occurred, but my approach is merely to note the anomalies, and believe further investigation is warranted.


20 posted on 11/22/2007 5:07:20 AM PST by Iconoclast2 (Two wings of the same bird of prey . . .)
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To: West Coast Conservative; George W. Bush
Would you have been upset about the matter if the 'troofers' had supported Fred McRomneyani?

No, probably said what this Ron Paul supporter says: A vote is a vote.

Got hypocracy?
21 posted on 11/22/2007 5:11:42 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: MitchellC

Are these State Troofers?


22 posted on 11/22/2007 6:47:13 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Hunter Thompson in 08.)
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To: MitchellC

Do candidates withdrawing from the election get to keep their money?

If so, Ron Pauls investment into presidential politics is going to make him a few million off of this. I consider that good business.


23 posted on 11/22/2007 6:49:17 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Hunter Thompson in 08.)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
Would you have been upset about the matter if the 'troofers' had supported Fred McRomneyani?

Yes.
24 posted on 11/22/2007 6:53:55 AM PST by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Paul is a personal friend of Jones. He has stated repeatedly that he doesn't share his views. Jones' show is just another media outlet for Paul to get his views out.

JESSE BENTON, RON PAUL CAMPAIGN COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR

Why do you care who Paul courts? You're not going to vote for him anyway, right?

25 posted on 11/22/2007 6:53:57 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Iconoclast2

Shame on you for posting your bullsh*t.


26 posted on 11/22/2007 6:55:31 AM PST by Hornitos
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To: crazyshrink
He has been a protest candidate forever.

Elected to 10 terms in Congress is a "protest" candidate?

He does not deny anything, even his Paul Newsletter stuff.

His articles and columns are open source. Anyone from the KKK to the Nation of Islam can reprint & distribute them. At least he writes his own material, unlike the other "candidates."

Ever noticed that Paul’s supporters are the one’s denying and defending their own platforms. The ones they believe that Paul supports.

Ever notice the desperation and smear tactics that have converged on a candidate with supposedly "no chance" of winning? Ever notice why supporters of Paul are more passionate than supporters of the other assembly-line Republicans? Why is that?

The more of these “interviews” he does, the more he gets his minions to defend him.

Jay Leno had Hillary Clinton on his show. Paul recently went on the Jay Leno Show. Does that make Paul a leftist?

27 posted on 11/22/2007 6:58:26 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Schnucki
Grappling with the claims on a point-by-point basis helped me realize that the 911 truth movement is a complete, money-making scam.

Dr. Paul is not associated with the 9/11 Truthers. He does not share their views regardless of how many times conservatives resort to left-wing tactics in promoting this smear.

28 posted on 11/22/2007 7:00:27 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Grunthor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

Thanks for posting this link.

29 posted on 11/22/2007 7:01:31 AM PST by Hornitos
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To: Iconoclast2

So, we did it to ourselves? If you believe that, YOU ARE A NUT.


30 posted on 11/22/2007 7:02:35 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Ron Pauls investment into presidential politics is going to make him a few million off of this.

The money is freely donated to him. He didn't go out and solicit it or ask for it. In other words, IT'S HIS. You're talking about a man who refused to take part in the lucrative Congressional pension and refused Medicare/Medicaid payments from his patients, and somehow he's "scamming" people? ROFL.

It's appropriate today is Thanksgiving. There's a lot of turkey on this thread.

31 posted on 11/22/2007 7:03:00 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: West Coast Conservative

Very early in the morning today (Dutch time), co-blogger Jason Steck published a good post about how some Libertarians believe that Ron Paul is bad for the Libertarian movement (because of his association with ‘truthers,’ white supremacists, and so on).

In his post, Jason linked to this post at the Volokh Conspiracy by Ilya Somin. Somin explains that Paul doesn’t just hurt the Libertarian movement, he’s not even as Libertarian as he and his followers pretend.

Anyway, what I find interesting to see is that increasingly more Libertarians are abandoning Paul. Let me give you an example: Kevin writes at the Liberty Papers that he’s “done with Ron Paul.” The reason? Paul is sucking up to conspiracy theorists and alike. Yesterday, he - and not for the first time - appeared at Alex Jones’ show. This was the final drop for Kevin.

I can understand Kevin quite well, and I’m wondering why it is that Paul doesn’t distance himself from the nutcases. There are two explanations possible, in my opinion, I think it’s the second:

- Paul agrees with (most of) them. He doesn’t object to them, because he agrees with them. He just doesn’t say what they say because he knows it’ll hurt his career.

- Paul didn’t expect to do so well. Suddenly he sees money coming in constantly. He’s part of a movement. Its leader even. He didn’t expect it and now that it’s happening he’s simply enjoying the ride. He’s not occupied with ‘who’ support him, nor with why they support him. He’s happy that they’re supporting him: they’re taking him somewhere he didn’t expect to be.

I’m thinking that’s it.

Of course, fringe groups give quite a lot of money as well.

 

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Ron Paul Makes Thanksgiving Eve Appearance With Alex Jones

For some more pandering to the Troofers and other conspiracy theorist whackjobs. I’ll listen for anything of note, but as of now, I’m done with Ron Paul.

The Ron Paul campaign has unfortunately become a gathering place for 9/11 “Truther” morons, racists, neo-Nazis, Southern secessionists, fascists, conspiracy theorists, wannabe authoritarians, Birchers, and nativists that I do not want to be associated with. Worst of all, the candidate himself knows about these err….outside of the mainstream supporters and he refuses to publically repudiate them and refund the donations from the most high profile ones. (No Lew, I’m not calling for Ron Paul to do background checks on all of his supporters, just refuse the donations from the high profile scumbags). If a candidate thinks its alright to make common cause with these people, especially one who is running a “principled” campaign on restoring liberty, than I have to question his conscience for aligning with these people at best and question his ability to lead at worst. I’ve come to the conclusion that a Ron Paul candidacy unless he repudiates these people who do not share the belief in liberty, will harm the overall freedom movement by giving the impression to the American people that “freedom” and “liberty” are just code words for fascism, racism, and conspiracy mongering like the “New World Order” and the “North American Union”.

The precedent is there. Ron Paul needs to follow it for entire freedom movement’s sake.

Until then, this classical liberal is not a part of the Ron Paul Revolution.

h/t: My Pet Jawa


32 posted on 11/22/2007 7:03:47 AM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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To: Iconoclast2

You’d love for those things to be true.

Go back on your meds.


33 posted on 11/22/2007 7:08:37 AM PST by Petronski (Reject the liberal troika: romney, giuliani, mccain)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

If he doesn’t share their views, how come he continuously goes on Alex Jones’ show?

Usually when you appear on a radio show, you are in agreement with the host.

How many times has Hillary been on Rush’s show? How many times has Cheney been on Air America? They don’t go on those shows because there is no level of agreement between the host and the guest.


34 posted on 11/22/2007 7:11:15 AM PST by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
If he doesn’t share their views, how come he continuously goes on Alex Jones’ show?

Because he want's their votes, that's why politicians do things. Rare are the occasions where, during a campaign, a candidate appears before a group and condemns them, he simply stays away.

35 posted on 11/22/2007 7:14:14 AM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Yes.

Thank you for your consistency on that question.

Now, would you speak out, and turn against your own preferred candidate (no need to mention who you support, your business, not mine), if the 'troofers' supported him?

36 posted on 11/22/2007 7:16:54 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Iconoclast2
Anyone who thinks the 9/11 Commission report represents the “truth” is poorly informed. Pools of molten steel, explosions in the basements, count-downs for the demolition of WTC7 broadcast over police radio, and a complete failure to investigate the money trail are not the realm of Democrats and aliens; they are things that people interested in a Free Republic ought to know about.

Truth is, of course, what the truthers tell us.

That's why we call them truthers!

Nice to meet ya Rosie, even if it is only online.

Can you believe the kool aid these Freepers drink?

Yuk!


37 posted on 11/22/2007 7:18:57 AM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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To: Lead Moderator
So, we did it to ourselves? If you believe that, YOU ARE A NUT.

Ironically, Ron Paul would probably tell him the same thing that you just told him.

38 posted on 11/22/2007 7:19:34 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: SJackson

A vote is a vote. i find it hard to believe that you would protest these same people voting for your preferred candidate.

Nice try though.


39 posted on 11/22/2007 7:21:16 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: thecabal
I believe this is his fourth appearance since declaring his run, along with members of his campaign being on at least six other times and Paul contributing to two of Jones' documentaries (Matrix of Evil & Endgame).. so how exactly is he not associating with anti-American troofers again?
40 posted on 11/22/2007 7:21:36 AM PST by mnehring (I am free not to support Ron Paul... Wow, I feel special...)
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To: Lead Moderator; Iconoclast2
It's hard to fathom a mind which tries to construct some elaborate plot to justify a preconceived conclusion: "Some nefarious plotters secretly and carefully planted explosives all over 3 buildings, and sent in a remote-controlled papier mache airplane to make it all look like Middle Eastern terrorists had done it, all because Halliburton had cornered the market in hand-loomed rugs!"

As if there aren't any hateful and deranged nuts out there wanting to fly airplanes into our buildings, if they can. As if they view American leaders as no better than al Qaeda terrorists. As if their opinions on the physcial science of airplanes crashing into and bringing down towers are all infallable, and everyone else are dunces for failing to see how much smarter they are and how terrible American leadership and self-governance is.

41 posted on 11/22/2007 7:24:06 AM PST by Hornitos
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To: West Coast Conservative
If he doesn’t share their views, how come he continuously goes on Alex Jones’ show?

Jones is media. He has a radio show just like Rush does. It's another outlet for Paul to get his message of freedom out. You do realize that Paul has to use the alternative media because the MSM and even conservative radio hosts & blogs avoid or denigrate him like the plague, right?

Usually when you appear on a radio show, you are in agreement with the host.

But that's not true in Paul's case. Paul doesn't share Jones' views. The questions Jones' ask are hyperbolic & Paul will answer them straightforward as he always does.

How many times has Hillary been on Rush’s show? How many times has Cheney been on Air America? They don’t go on those shows because there is no level of agreement between the host and the guest.

Hillary & Cheney are in positions to go on any media outlet of their choosing. Hillary appeared on FOX News Sunday with Chris Wallace. So that makes Hillary is a moderate-conservative now, right?

There's a reason why the "PAUL'S A KOOK!" smears aren't in the media and even have been dismissed by Jonah Goldberg. The only people making a big deal out of this are the folks who have to smear Paul because they can't refute his record or his integrity. It's the same thing "conservatives" did to Barry Goldwater and it's happening again.

42 posted on 11/22/2007 7:24:27 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Jones is media. He has a radio show just like Rush does. It's another outlet for Paul to get his message of freedom out. You do realize that Paul has to use the alternative media because the MSM and even conservative radio hosts & blogs avoid or denigrate him like the plague, right?

By that logic, why not jump on Al Jazerra or Stormfront radio? They are media and could help him get his message of 'freedom'(sic) out. Why has he refused to go on with Glen Beck? Seems if he will go wherever he can get his message out, he would love to accept Beck's invitations.

43 posted on 11/22/2007 7:26:41 AM PST by mnehring (I am free not to support Ron Paul... Wow, I feel special...)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
A vote is a vote. i find it hard to believe that you would protest these same people voting for your preferred candidate....Nice try though.

You deliberately confuse the issues. Ron Paul can't control who votes for him, any more than he can control who supports him.

He can, however, reject support from the truther community, as well as hate groups. It's simple to do, all candidates do it.

IMO the truther ideology, that's the topic here, is essentially un-American, in most forms suggesting the worst forms of criminal behaivior on the part of our public officials.

I'll be the first to support GWB's impeachment, or criminal charges for anyone involved in the conspiracy, if truther charges are proven true, but till then they're just a bunch of anarchist nutballs.

Paul should be willing to denounce their ideology, required only because he continually seeks their votes, rather he suggests that it's a good thing Dems are in power, and maybe another 9/11 investigation would be a good idea.

Of course he thinks GWB should be impeached, so at least he's consistant on that point.

He panders to the worst impulses of society for vote.

"I would have trouble arguing that he's [GWB]been a Constitutional President and once you violate the Constitution and be proven to do that I think these people should be removed from office."

BTW, if you care to provide examples of the other Republican candidates slumming for votes like Paul does, be my guest.

44 posted on 11/22/2007 7:30:07 AM PST by SJackson (seems to me it is entirely proper to start a Zionist State around Jerusalem, T Roosevelt, neocon)
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To: Hornitos
As if they view American leaders as no better than al Qaeda terrorists.

I doubt they even think there are al Qaeda terrorists. All part of a deep government plot, you see.

45 posted on 11/22/2007 7:32:24 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Dr. Paul is not associated with the 9/11 Truthers.

Not at all. He just makes regular appearances on a show hosted by the biggest 9/11 troofer pimp on the planet. No association at all.

46 posted on 11/22/2007 7:32:28 AM PST by thecabal
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To: Lead Moderator

There is ample evidence that we were attacked by Muslim terrorists; foreign and domestic intelligence agencies detected planning activities and issued vague warnings. But there is also considerable evidence that those who attacked us did more than just fly the planes into the Towers. By all appearances, additional steps were taken, in advance, on the ground, to result in the total destruction of WTC1, 2 and 7. I see no other explanation for the pools of molten steel, the existence of which would help explain why two towers that were engineered to survive almost exactly such a strike did not do so. Who took the additional steps is unknown. Leftists would like to believe Bush et al. were involved, and there are nuts all over ranting about that, but the evidence I think is worth paying attention to is the physics that doesn’t add up.


47 posted on 11/22/2007 7:32:43 AM PST by Iconoclast2 (Two wings of the same bird of prey . . .)
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To: SJackson
Because he want's their votes, that's why politicians do things. Rare are the occasions where, during a campaign, a candidate appears before a group and condemns them, he simply stays away.

Paul doesn't see people as groups or collective classes. He sees them as individuals.

Votes are just that, votes. Once one gets inside the ballot booth, a politician simply has no way of knowing what that person ideology or agenda is. Like I said a million times, Neo-Nazis and illegals probably voted for Bush in 2004, there's simply no way of knowing.

48 posted on 11/22/2007 7:34:26 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Alex Jones thinks President Bush murdered 3,000 Americans for oil and Israel.

The fact that you aren’t concerned that your candidate of choice is always on his show and is always courting his audience speaks volume about the Paulestinians.

Imagine if Obama went on his show. There would be outrage from all corners of the political spectrum. The only reason why nobody really cares about Paul going on the show is because outside of the internet he is virtually unknown.

And it’s laughable to compare Goldwater to Paul. Goldwater didn’t court anti-American and anti-Semitic voters.


49 posted on 11/22/2007 7:37:37 AM PST by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: Iconoclast2
and there are nuts all over ranting about that

In the nut department, I defer to you. You're the expert. Just like you're the expert building engineer.

50 posted on 11/22/2007 7:37:47 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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