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To: Lead Moderator

There is ample evidence that we were attacked by Muslim terrorists; foreign and domestic intelligence agencies detected planning activities and issued vague warnings. But there is also considerable evidence that those who attacked us did more than just fly the planes into the Towers. By all appearances, additional steps were taken, in advance, on the ground, to result in the total destruction of WTC1, 2 and 7. I see no other explanation for the pools of molten steel, the existence of which would help explain why two towers that were engineered to survive almost exactly such a strike did not do so. Who took the additional steps is unknown. Leftists would like to believe Bush et al. were involved, and there are nuts all over ranting about that, but the evidence I think is worth paying attention to is the physics that doesn’t add up.


47 posted on 11/22/2007 7:32:43 AM PST by Iconoclast2 (Two wings of the same bird of prey . . .)
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To: Iconoclast2
and there are nuts all over ranting about that

In the nut department, I defer to you. You're the expert. Just like you're the expert building engineer.

50 posted on 11/22/2007 7:37:47 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: Iconoclast2
WAYR?
Wow, you are smarter than all the folks at Popular Mechanics and pretty much every structural engineer and architect in the country who has disproved this crap. I’m impressed.

If you want a break from your knowitallisms, have a gander at what the real experts have concluded.

http://www.construction.com/NewsCenter/Headlines/ENR/20021025b.asp

51 posted on 11/22/2007 7:38:34 AM PST by mnehring (I am free not to support Ron Paul... Wow, I feel special...)
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To: Iconoclast2

Popular Mechanics destroyed all of your nutball theories. They used real engineers and did real investigations and none of your theories held water. Actually the attack did its job and thanks to the building’s engineering thousands were saved. It was not built to withstand a 100 ton aircraft full of fuel flying at 400mph.

Now run along to all your truthers and shout conspiracy.

Pray for W and Our Troops


53 posted on 11/22/2007 7:44:32 AM PST by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: Iconoclast2
I see no other explanation for the pools of molten steel

True enough. Countless scientific experiments where 110-story buildings were collapsed failed to reproduce the molten steel /sarcasm.

I hate to tell you this (actually, I don't), but we've never had 110-story buildings collapse before, so we had no prior experiences about the physical state of the debris afterwards. A tremendous amount of energy was released when the buildings did collapse - and the typical end-state of kinetic energy is ... heat.

55 posted on 11/22/2007 7:48:12 AM PST by dirtboy (Ron Paul - blame America first but still bill her for the shrimp)
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To: Iconoclast2
Neither is it known by anyone reputable that there were any additional steps at all.
59 posted on 11/22/2007 7:50:04 AM PST by Hornitos
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To: Iconoclast2

“I see no other explanation for the pools of molten steel, the existence of which would help explain why two towers that were engineered to survive almost exactly such a strike did not do so.”

Take the blinders off and you shall see.

The pools of “molten steel” was likely from items found in the typical office like filing cabinets, chairs, etc.

The towers were designed to withstand an impact from a Boeing 707 flying at low speed on approach (170-190mph) in bad weather with a small amount of fuel since the 707 was the most common jet in service at the time of the tower’s design.

707:
Wing Span: 145’ 9”
Length: 152’ 11”
Empty Weight: 146,400lbs
Gross Weight: 333,600lbs
Cruising speed: 525mph
Max Speed: 604mph
Fuel Capacity: 17,406gal

767-200ER:
Wing Span: 156’ 1”
Length: 159’ 2”
Empty Weight: 181,610lbs
Gross Weight: 396,000lbs
Cruising Speed: 530mph
Max Cruise: 568mph
Max Speed: 600mph +/- (Couldn’t find a difinitive answer)
Fuel Capacity: 24,149gal

As you can see the 767 is bigger and much heavier with a greater fuel capacity than the 707. The 767 that impacted the WTC hit in excess of 590mph and still had the bulk of it’s fuel since it was a transcontinental flight that would have been flying into prevailing winds and thus had more fuel (excluding the 2000gal reserve) than what would be required for a flight originating on the west coast.


115 posted on 11/22/2007 12:43:31 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (A vote for ron paul in the primary IS a vote for hillary clinton in the general election)
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To: Iconoclast2

This one seems to refute your arguments. Be interested in any rejoinders you have for these points.

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf


190 posted on 11/24/2007 8:35:52 PM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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