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Disabled veterans jeered at swimming pool
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 11/23/07 | Thomas Harding, Lucy Cockcroft and Brendan Carlin

Posted on 11/23/2007 3:28:31 AM PST by LibWhacker

Injured soldiers who lost their limbs fighting for their country have been driven from a swimming pool training session by jeering members of the public.

The men, injured during tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, were taking part in a rehabilitation session at a leisure centre, when two women demanded they be removed from the pool. They claimed that the soldiers "hadn't paid" and might scare the children.

The incident has sparked widespread condemnation. Adml Lord Boyce, a former head of the Armed Forces, said last night the women should be "named and shamed". advertisement

"These people are beneath contempt and everything should be done to get their names and publish them in the press," he said. "It is contemptible that people who have given up their limbs for their country should be so abused when they are trying to get fit again."

It comes after calls for the public to do more to welcome home troops back from tours of duty and to recognise the bravery of those fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The unpleasant scenes broke out at Leatherhead Leisure Centre in Surrey when the wounded veterans, who are at Headley Court Military Hospital, had to use the 25-metre public pool because the hydro-pool at the defence rehabilitation centre is not big enough for swimming.

The servicemen were about to begin their weekly swimming therapy in closed-off lanes when they were verbally abused by the swimmers.

One woman in her 30s was said to be infuriated by the lane closures saying the soldiers did not deserve to be there when she had paid.

It was also reported that others complained that limbless servicemen were scaring children at the centre.

The atmosphere was said to be so tense that the soldiers' instructors removed them.

Charles Murrin, 79, a Navy veteran who saw the incident, said: "The woman said the men do not deserve to be in there and that she pays to come in the pool and they don't. I spoke to the instructor in the changing room afterwards and he was livid."

It is not the first time that Headley Court neighbours have been accused of poor behaviour.

There was uproar earlier this year after residents objected to planning permission to convert a home into a six-suite hostel for injured soldiers' families to stay in. The local council later approved the building work.

A Ministry of Defence spokesman said: "We are disappointed that a small number of people objected to the closure of swimming lanes so that patients of Headley Court could use them."

The incident comes weeks after the Help For Heroes appeal was launched to raise £5 million to build a full-size pool and gym at the centre.

Labour will today aim to repair its battered reputation with the Armed Forces by offering all military veterans priority NHS treatment, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

The concession, ordered by the Health Secretary, Alan Johnson, will be available to the estimated 4.8 million ex-servicemen and women, sources said last night.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: disabled; jeered; pool; swimming; uk; veterans
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1 posted on 11/23/2007 3:28:33 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

If those abusers don’t repent and change their ways they will be spending eternity in hell!


2 posted on 11/23/2007 3:36:17 AM PST by restornu (Improve The Shining Moment! Don't let them pass you by... PRESS FORWARD MITT)
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To: restornu

It’s nice to, from time to time, get reinforcement that the United States doesn’t have a monopoly on humanoid debris.


3 posted on 11/23/2007 3:39:30 AM PST by stevem
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To: LibWhacker

4 posted on 11/23/2007 3:39:34 AM PST by inkling (exurbanleague.com)
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To: LibWhacker

“The incident has sparked widespread condemnation. Adml Lord Boyce, a former head of the Armed Forces, said last night the women should be “named and shamed”.”

GO ADMIRAL!!!


5 posted on 11/23/2007 3:52:33 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: LibWhacker

“These people are beneath contempt and everything should be done to get their names and publish them in the press,”

Hear! Hear!

I hope they do publicly identify them


6 posted on 11/23/2007 4:06:25 AM PST by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: LibWhacker

I just cannot fathom the depths of indecency some people will go to in their quest to satisfy their selfishness.


7 posted on 11/23/2007 4:17:10 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: stevem
"human debris"

After visiting Britain last year and talking to some of my younger Brit in-laws, I'm afraid many of them have little regard for the suffering and sacrific their elders did for them.

When my wife and I visited some of her elderly Brit relatives and in-laws I was struck by the amount of military paraphernalia her uncles and other male relatives had in their houses. One of her older male relatives even grilled me on my knowledge of WWII airplanes of which he had numerous pictures and models in his living room. I could answer some but not all. Another of her older Brit relatives also had military pictures in his living room. These elderly men put these pictures and models in their living room and not the dens. I guess at least patriotic feelings haven't died out among Britain's older generations.

8 posted on 11/23/2007 4:21:04 AM PST by driftless2
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To: LibWhacker
The two women who started this ruckus make, by their very existence, a compelling case for retroactive abortion.
9 posted on 11/23/2007 4:25:24 AM PST by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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To: LibWhacker

[she pays to come in the pool]

So did they, you heartless bitch.


10 posted on 11/23/2007 4:37:59 AM PST by RetSignman (DEMSM: "If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth")
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To: LibWhacker
I canot even read this story; but it is becoming an all too common experience that such disrespect and hatefulness is generated against our Veterans; and any other group that is in the 'headlights' of PC - as are Veterans and Boy Scouts and Christians et al.

These degradations of behavior and as here, expressed against our Veterans, are painful and deplorable and are a consequence of the Left's 'stream of hate'; constantly expressed against anyone who does not adapt to their MO. The Left's profile and teaching mantra 'for their own good' is merging - as it must - into a hideous face.

These kids - we can be assured - know all about sex, condoms. . .and all variations of sexual deviancy. It is clear as well, that they know nothing about a history from which they reap their daily rewards; nor are they learning apparently, that there is a 'worthwhile scale' of humanity that they rightfully, will be measured against.

11 posted on 11/23/2007 4:40:47 AM PST by cricket
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"The unpleasant scenes broke out at Leatherhead Leisure Centre in Surrey"

Surrey was the site of the Martian invaders' initial landing in H.G. Wells's original War of the Worlds and, iirc, Leatherhead was one the places they destroyed with their heat rays and poison gas.

/Just saying

12 posted on 11/23/2007 4:49:44 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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To: LibWhacker
I spoke to the instructor in the changing room afterwards and he was livid.

The instructor should have told the women to leave immediately, and we'll refund you the balance via mail.

13 posted on 11/23/2007 4:51:00 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: LibWhacker
Well, I did not want to read this because of other painful reportings of kids demeaning our Military. . .should have read the whole thing.

But in 'essence' the same applies to these women; who, by their own behavior are, 'teaching examples', that are surely typical and hateful in their self-annointing. As are all Leftist models of compassionate hate.

14 posted on 11/23/2007 4:54:03 AM PST by cricket
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To: driftdiver
Of course they should be publicly shamed. However, what should have happened is their removal from the pool at the time. Those women were certainly breaking any number of laws.
15 posted on 11/23/2007 4:55:10 AM PST by iowamark
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To: LibWhacker
The servicemen were about to begin their weekly swimming therapy in closed-off lanes when they were verbally abused by the swimmers.

One woman in her 30s was said to be infuriated by the lane closures saying the soldiers did not deserve to be there when she had paid.

It was also reported that others complained that limbless servicemen were scaring children at the centre.

WOW ... what jacka**** they are

And gee could the reason why the children where upset was because of their obnoxious screaming mothers??

16 posted on 11/23/2007 4:55:14 AM PST by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: LibWhacker

More liberal BS. I say we send all liberals, leftists, and dimocrats to live in Iran.


17 posted on 11/23/2007 4:56:52 AM PST by RetiredArmy (If Marxist's Dimocrat Party & the Fed Gov want my guns, COME AND TRY TO GET THEM!)
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To: LibWhacker

I wish I had been there. I’d have offered to pay the fee for any soldier there if any of the protesters would lop off whatever limb they had the fellow was missing. Just so everything was even.


18 posted on 11/23/2007 4:59:53 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Mo1

Having spent some time in the UK, and around British women in the past twenty years...they really don’t measure up to the British women of the 1940s and 1950s that our fathers or uncles used to talk about...period. They are soap opera queens...stuck on their image and their style...and little to no taste. The only place where I thought I’d died and gone to heaven...was Scotland....where some sort of reality still exists in the small towns and villages throughout the land.


19 posted on 11/23/2007 5:00:17 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: iowamark

“However, what should have happened is their removal from the pool at the time. Those women were certainly breaking any number of laws.”

Absolutely. Good to see someone standing up to these freaks.


20 posted on 11/23/2007 5:05:23 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: All

When a nation operates under the liberal schema, the ‘one for all’ is as discriminatory as racial divide - when the group gangs up on something different and more ‘individual’.

After I calmed my first reaction to this information, I had a second more positive thought. Well, rather a question than a thought.

Why is it the military cannot build its own rehab facility with weights, exercise pools (various depths), and more necessary equipment, for the veterans’ use only (and perhaps their families on ‘outing days’....

It could turn an ugly incident into something worthwhile.


21 posted on 11/23/2007 5:07:18 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: LibWhacker

Is John Murtha in England over the long weekend?


22 posted on 11/23/2007 5:07:53 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: LibWhacker

They ought to have their heads amputated. How cruel can people be?


23 posted on 11/23/2007 5:10:58 AM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense? Don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: RetiredArmy
More liberal BS. I say we send all liberals, leftists, and dimocrats to live in Iran.

Or perhaps someone could arrange to have Headley Court put under old-style German control so that these people could see what might have been.

24 posted on 11/23/2007 5:19:22 AM PST by Bob
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To: LibWhacker

There are some people in this world who simply don’t deserve the freedom they enjoy.


25 posted on 11/23/2007 5:33:45 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: LibWhacker

Didn’t anyone tell the women they were free to leave as well? Why should they get any preference over anyone else?


26 posted on 11/23/2007 5:46:12 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: LibWhacker

I cannot imagine any people more deserving to lose a limb in a accident than these despicable people. But until then, ban these complainers from the pool permanently. I pity their poor families having to live with such shrews.

Oh, and Britain’s ASBO laws, as useless as they are, would seems to be a perfect fit here.


27 posted on 11/23/2007 5:58:21 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: LibWhacker
"The woman said the men do not deserve to be in there and that she pays to come in the pool and they don't

Tell ya what lady. If you go to some Moo-hole country and have a limb or your uhh, female bits hacked off, we'll consider your pool fee paid in full. Deal?

28 posted on 11/23/2007 6:06:15 AM PST by Malsua
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There are some people in this world who simply don’t deserve the freedom they enjoy.

I feel so ashamed when I read these story's and wonder if we even as a nation deserve to have brave men like that fighting for us any longer when that's all the respect they get.

Thankfully though people in parliament and the military are now starting to make a bit of noise about this lack of respect.

29 posted on 11/23/2007 6:25:59 AM PST by snowman_returns (The Stone Roses - best band the world ever saw!!)
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To: LibWhacker
From The Sun...

Injured soldiers taunted at pool

It's a council-run pool. Explains a lot.

30 posted on 11/23/2007 6:31:06 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: RetSignman

The depravity of mankind seized to amaze me.


31 posted on 11/23/2007 6:31:16 AM PST by 444Flyer ("Oly Oly Oxen Free!" Matt 3:1-3, Rev 22:17,John 3:1-36, Jude 9, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: dmw

Now you got me thinking...


32 posted on 11/23/2007 6:33:06 AM PST by 444Flyer ("Oly Oly Oxen Free!" Matt 3:1-3, Rev 22:17,John 3:1-36, Jude 9, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: LibWhacker

I’m shocked and speechless! The complainers need to be whacked up the side of the head with a prosthetic limb!


33 posted on 11/23/2007 6:35:40 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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Another link, with a comment from someone with the council...

Swimmers throw abuse at injured servicemen in pool

34 posted on 11/23/2007 6:38:50 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
From my link above...

"While we wouldn't condone what happened, staff at the leisure centre did their best to accommodate all concerned and acted professionally in dealing with the situation."

I won't print what I'm thinking.

35 posted on 11/23/2007 6:40:04 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: LibWhacker

Perhaps they need to see this once in awhild:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njK5K_Vk5ys

Salutes to our friends in England.


36 posted on 11/23/2007 6:49:08 AM PST by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: UKrepublican

Have you seen this story?


37 posted on 11/23/2007 7:08:07 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

No I hadn’t. This is absolutely disgusting - vets or not - to treat any disabled person like that is disgrace.

Thanks for sending it my way.


38 posted on 11/23/2007 7:14:29 AM PST by UKrepublican
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To: UKrepublican

Since this is a council-run pool, does that mean the wench who did this lives in council housing? If so, she ought to be tossed out on her rear end. Though if the statement of the council’s rep is anything to go by, she won’t be, will she.


39 posted on 11/23/2007 7:19:16 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

She might well live in council housing, but when they say ‘council pools’ this might be a little misleading because most of the swimming pools are operated by the local council technically, anybody can go however.

Far from moaning about these people, I’d have been happy to up and leave the pool to make way for these heroes - If the issue was the fee to get in, I’d happily open my wallet for every one of them.

And I think 99.9999999% of my country would agree.

There will always be idiots sadly, I just hope FReepers don’t judge us by the odd moron we have to put up with.


40 posted on 11/23/2007 7:22:49 AM PST by UKrepublican
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To: UKrepublican
There will always be idiots sadly, I just hope FReepers don’t judge us by the odd moron we have to put up with.

Hey, we've got ours too :(

God bless your troops and ours :)

41 posted on 11/23/2007 7:26:22 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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God bless your troops and ours :) Seconded. :)
42 posted on 11/23/2007 7:28:56 AM PST by UKrepublican
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To: LibWhacker
Most kids are not afraid of handicapped people. They are more likely to ask direct questions that embarrass the parents.
43 posted on 11/23/2007 7:31:43 AM PST by ThomasThomas (An investigative journalist is one who uses spellcheck.)
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To: ThomasThomas

I love kids!


44 posted on 11/23/2007 8:21:52 AM PST by 444Flyer ("Oly Oly Oxen Free!" Matt 3:1-3, Rev 22:17,John 3:1-36, Jude 9, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: LibWhacker

It’s slags like these two, that are part of why Great Britain isn’t as great as it used to be. Not knocking England per se..just the undeserving rabble who are ruining England for the rest.


45 posted on 11/23/2007 9:51:52 AM PST by DGHoodini (The Dems no longer have the humanity to grasp that there are things worth dying for.)
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To: LibWhacker

The women should have their legs amputated on the spot.......
no....they should be beheaded!


46 posted on 11/23/2007 9:59:07 AM PST by Doctor Don
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To: LibWhacker

If American soldiers hadn’t been part of WW2, then these Brits would be speaking German?????

We truly have reached the point where the current loudmouths don’t remember a real war.


47 posted on 11/23/2007 10:06:14 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: LibWhacker

Should we assume the complainers are perfect specimens themselves?


48 posted on 11/23/2007 10:09:24 AM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Rummyfan

Nah! They should be bare bottom fanny paddled on the Beeb.


49 posted on 11/23/2007 10:09:39 AM PST by DGHoodini (The Dems no longer have the humanity to grasp that there are things worth dying for.)
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To: driftless2

“I guess at least patriotic feelings haven’t died out among Britain’s
older generations.”

It’s been at least a decade ago, but IIRC, there was an article in
the NRA’s “American Rifleman” mag about an old vet in the UK weeping
as his WWII sniper rifle was confiscated by the police after some
extra do-gooder gun-grabbing legislation was passed.

BUT...as they are good allies in peace and “in the crunch”, I’ve still
got no problem visiting and spending money in the UK.


50 posted on 11/23/2007 10:19:52 AM PST by VOA
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