Skip to comments.A lawsuit has been served against our Canadian "sister" site, Free Dominion.
Posted on 11/23/2007 3:43:25 AM PST by backhoeEdited on 11/23/2007 1:22:32 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
More information has come up, here:
|Court Papers from Richard Warman [ 1, 2, 3 ]|
Old friend Wikipedia has quite a write up on this man. I notice it is very respectful and cautious. Still, the site cannot be knocked on that account. A multitude of information. First, this man has won ALL ten cases before the "Human Rights Commission".
I might add it's designation to those Canadians who have become acquainted with it's workings. A kangaroo court. I read some amazing statistics on the Ontario Human Rights Commission relating to it's verdicts on cases. Virtually all defendants were white persons and of little financial means to boot. Though caution is needed and this needs to be verified, All lost or the case was dropped. I would not doubt it.
Warman has received awards from various bodies. Just because a Jewish body honoured Warman, he is thought wrongly to be Jewish. I would state from personal experience the Ontario Human Rights Commission to be a body of politically correct civil servants. Scared stiff for their jobs.
Bigoted by orders, against very often the people of their own group. I just have a thought,that the Human Rights Johnnies and others, will gently steer clear here. With a few mumbled cliches and FD will survive. I cannot wait to tangle with any Human Rights bodies in a public forum on this account. I could ask a simple question and have them lie in their teeth. Easy!
Hope they give truth to: Never pick a fight with a person who writes in his pajamas. Just ask Dan!
I am so envious!
I woke up to a sink full of dirty dishes and a sick kid.
Oh well, enjoy the weekend!
Bump, getting credit card out now!! :)
(I wish I could remember my username & password......)
What is the basis of Warman’s lawsuit?
Who is he suing and what are charges and/or claims?
He is copying the molester over at Southern Poverty Law...
Scratch that. I’m in. And lucked out when trying the password (that I thought I’d forgotten)....
The left is at war with normal people. They are ruthless and without principle.
Here is Connie's email addy firstname.lastname@example.org
Interesting. That’s why I like to have information before reacting (usually)...:)
I recall a similar situation here recently that aimed to get FReepers up in arms re a Republican congressman, Dolittle was the name, I think. Other people’s spats cannot necessarily be extrapolated into political issues.
I wonder what in the world could be the basis of this lawsuit? Free Dominion does not allow racist posts.
What comments are libelous?
Define good guy!
He has not just gone after neo-nazis. He wants some words outlawed and you are agree with this?
I was the first one up here too after a sumptous meal last night of grilled cheese sandwiches and Campbell’s Beef soup with Vegetables; got up to go outside in the freezing cold and get the paper to read in the garage, heated only by a single Walmart quartz tube heater.
I washed my face in what was left of last night’s dishwater and sat down here after my wife and daughter went to buy half-off store brand diapers for the baby.
Just counting my blessings. :)
Me too! But then I saw the pumpkin pie...
I'd say you've pretty much defined freedom of speech in a nutshell, yes. Can't imagine any conservative who'd disagree with you.
I sort of knew there was a site similar to FR in Canada, but honestly forgot it’s existence until now. There must be some way to help them.
Where does the Wiki article on Warman mention Free Dominion?
Oh, my good lord. Canada is truely in serious trouble.
Explain your post to me. AFTER you reread what I posted in response to the same quote you addressed to me in this post, but which was not written by me.
SUPERIOR COURT OF JUSTICE
IN THE MATTER OF and intended action
Pursuant to section 5(1) of the Libel and Slander Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. L.12,
PLEASE BE ADVISED that you have spoken words and/or written words and/or published words that are defamatory and libelous to me appearing on the website "www.freedominion.ca".
The material appears on web pages within the thread entitled:
1) Gentes/CHRC withdraw complaint against Free Dominion
This material first came to my knowledge on 16 August 2007 as being defamatory and libelous. The matters complained of are as follows:
The web-page article entitled, "Gentes/CHRC withdraw complaint against Free Dominion"
1. Accuses me of being the "Censorship Champion".
2. States in reference to me that "...this asshole is so obnoxious that even his fellow fanatics at the "Human "Right" Commission couldn't stand him"
3. Accuses me of being a "professional complainer".
4. Accuses me of being a "devious character".
5. States that I have been "...opposed to the Freedom of Speech offered by the Internet for years".
6. States that "[i]evitably his crusade has lead [sic] to people offering unlawful death threats against him.
7. Accuses me of having threatened David Icke and also of having threatened "anyone who tried to publicly expose [my] activities.
8. Accuses me of having made false allegations of unlawful speech in the past and that the concerns I expressed publicly about the incitement to murder me from US neo-Nazi Bill White should be doubted.
9. Accuses me of being "involved with an urban terrorist group called the "Anti-Racist Action" who he recently sponsored to go and protest in front of another individual's house, thus the Paul Fromm reference."
10. Accuses me of having spoken to and financed the Anti-Racist Action group and that this group was responsible for "...the firebombing of another individual's house, including the posting of instructions to do it" and that this same group attacked the eyes of police horses with sharp sticks.
11. Accuses me of having sponsored bus transportation for a protest by this same Anti-Racist Action group outside the home of Paul Fromm at which a protestor held a sign stating "Die Nazi Scum".
12. Repeats the libel of Paul Fromm in calling me a "censor".
13. Accuses me of having sponsored bus transportation for the group Anti-Racist Action to the protest outside the home of Paul Fromm in retaliation for Paul Fromm acting as agent for respondents in federal human rights cases I have filed.
14. States that I counselled members of the group Anti-Racist Action group to commit an assault against David Icke because I didn't agree with what he was writing.
15. States that I have threatened the safety of other people on many occasions.
16. States that my action in bringing an application before the CRTC in relation to the threats of US neo-Nazi Bill White is reflective of a dictatorship.
17. In relation to the incitement to murder me by US neo-Nazi Bill White states that "...[i]f there is a serious physical threat, would it be because of activities fighting proven "hate speech"? Is there any truth to the allegations that he has taken his own believes to the streets? Allegations have been made about Mr. Warman engaging in some of the same physical activities, such as exposing the home addresses of his opponents, talking to their neighbours, and other such activities that Mr. Warman would be concerned if his opponents did to him. I don't know who is involved in the "Anti-Racism Action" group, but they seem to believe it is possible to fight "hate" with "hate".
18. Accuses me of being controlled by someone else or by some other group - "the proxy by which the B'nai Brith, CJC, CHRC works through."
- posting by EdS at 2:08
PLEASE BY ADVISED THAT you have spoken words and/or written words and/or published words that contain serious allegations against me, clearly stating to the readers of the website www.freedominion.ca in their plain and ordinary meaning or by virtue of the surrounding circumstances which give the words a defamatory meaning inferentially or by innuendo, that you are questioning my morality, integrity and professionalism; that I commit disreputable and unconstitutional acts such as the suppression of free speech; that I am controlled by others; that I have committed criminal acts; that I have threatened the safety of others on many occasions; and, that I am involved with an urban terrorist group.
You have defamed and libelled me in my skill, judgement, and/or capacity in my profession.
PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT the words spoken and/or written and/or published, in their plain and ordinary meaning or by virtue of the surrounding circumstances which give the words a defamatory meaning inferentially or by innuendo, are completely and absolutely false, defamatory and libellous.
PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT I request a complete retraction to be published on the website www.freedominion.ca with as much clarity and prominence as the defamatory and libellous words spoken and/or written and/or published.
PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT it is my intention to commence an action for libel against you.
THIS NOTICE is served upon you pursuant to the paragraph 5(1) OF THE Libel and Slander Act, R.S.O. 1990, ch. L-12.
Date: 10 September 2007
Barrister and Solicitor
Agent for service only: Heenan Blaikie, LLP
Barristers & Solicitors
55 Metcalfe Street
Ottawa, Ontario, K1P 6L5
T. 613 236.1668
F. 613 236.9632
Based on the above, I don’t see this going anywhere if this was file in the US. The man is certainly a public figure.
I’m in, but thank you....
I forgot that I used a real *cough* original username.
Here's the latest- they are starting a fund, to hire a lawyer.
There is also a link to some of the complaint- in the USA, it would be laughed out of court, but this Warman jackal is a government lawyer with lots of time on his hands...
Not to mention the incentive of the nearly $50,000 he's extorted from citizens so far...
Seems like it shouldn't go anywhere but the garbage in Canada, either, but who knows? I wish I knew more about Canadian law.
It is indeed detestable- Connie & Mark got married under the cloud of that ghastly Canadian Humans Rights Commission complaint against them ( which was dismissed when so much sand was raised over it ) only to get hit with this.
"..Under the current legal regime, you can be sued for anything you say about another person that damages their reputation. If sued, the onus is on you to prove the truth of your statements; the fact that you genuinely believed them to be true is not good enough. Even truth is not an absolute defence --- if the court finds you told the truth but your intent was malicious, you might lose anyway. Canadian libel law is so draconian that people come from all over the world to file libel suits in Ontario.
The impact on freedom of expression, a core value of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, is severe. There's even a term for it: "libel chill". Libel chill means that people are afraid to criticize powerful people who might bankrupt them with a costly suit. It means that commentators have to think twice before needling public figures --- as cartoonist Josh Beutel learned when he was sued by controversial New Brunswick school teacher Malcolm Ross. Ever wonder why there's so little investigative journalism in Canada? The reason is simple: libel chill....[snip]"
If the above article above is a fair commentary on Canadian libel law, Canada is Shyster heaven! Are there no distinctions between public and private citizens? Where is any allowance for opinion? This law is medieval!
Of interest to me, and possibly to our Canadian brothers and sisters (depending on their legal system) is why does Warman think this is libel and/or hate speech? Jews get this kind of abuse all the time. It's probably MORE common than dirt. Is Warman anti-Semitic? So why's Warman all quivering with righteous indignation? And nobody give me the "he sued Neo Nazis" argument either...he's a government employee who carried out government assignments. Doing your job so you don't lose it is a tad different than being passionate about something.
See post 91. I don’t like it but his suit may have a chance based on the description of Canadian libel law. In the US I bet such a filing would be dismissed quickly.
Ah ha. As I said, this has the potential to blow up in Warman's face.
The B'nai Brith is a Jewish group which the poster is claiming Warman works for.
EdS is one of our Jewish members, citizenmike, and Free Dominion is probably the most pro-Israel secular website in Canada.
With all due respect, you really need to read more about about this guy. The comments he is complaining about were true.
I don’t see that could be the case unless those sued file against him. I don’t know what he has said about them other than his filing saying their comment against him are libelous.
Again? What happened with the last one?
It was dismissed by their laughably-misnamed "human rights commission" when it started drawing a lot of notice and bad publicity. Unfortunately, a civil suit is not likely to respond to the same pressures- the Warman hyena is out for money, like he's extorted in the past. He is a silk-shirted strong arm man.
Isn't Truth [a, b, c] a full and clear defense against Libel or Slander? ;^)
If you want to read libel, have a look at some Canadian forums where they go after the U.S. government and the people in the nation.
They make George Soros seem like Cinderella.
Now there’s real Canadian libel. Sick making.