Posted on 11/23/2007 4:02:48 AM PST by rhema
Dude! Dude? Don’t dude me, dude.
The peasants had enough time to build the estates, countless building and temples for the worldly desires of the Church and it's State partners. Not to mention the taxes and guild rackets and payola of the incestuous economies.
I suppose the Church never murdered scholars, nor suppressed free learning, nor supported the State over countless peasant revolts over age old grievances of taxes and liberty. All imagined.
You might want to read Nicholas Sandler's book on the "reformation" (it would be an injustice even to Luther to call Henry VIII or Lizzie I "reformers") in England. The manuscript received a few finishing touches after he was martyred under Henry. You may obtain a copy by communicating with TAN Books and Publishers of Rockford, IL. They have another by a Congregationalist member of Parliament (Cobbett?) of the early 19th century called A History of the Reformation in England and Ireland. Each explains how the Catholic Church provided education and medical care without cost to the commoners of England and Ireland, supporting the costs of doctors, hospitals and schools and teachers solely from the earnings of their lands and estates, that Henry stripped them of their lands and estates and the result was the first crown taxes on the commoners.
Luther, ended his career, denouncing peasant revolts against those obles supporting him (see the American Lutheran Church produced film on Luther starring Stacy Keach as Luther).
The Church never murdered scholars. It submitted some to the judgment of the Inquisition. Some of those were executed by the state in a system called Christendom which you evidently do not understand. Sometimes the inquisition was even wrong (as in the judgment against St. Joan of Arc who seems to have been adjudged guilty more for her French nationalism against the Burgundians and Brits than any heresy) or actually run by erroneous sinners in some cases. At its worst, however, the inquisition was far superior, morally and intellectually, to those "enlightened" folks who think they know better than to believe in God.
What the peasants built as cathedrals was their business and none of yours. What is "free learning?" Apparently the celebration of ignorance and error as viewed by the enemies of the Church and its Founder and Guarantor. License is not liberty. Sclerotic clutches???? We have turned the spadesful of earth over on the coffins of our enemies for nearly 20 centuries (the Roman Empire among them) and will continue to do so to the end. It is guaranteed.
As to supporting the state, we have supported the American state against the soviets and against our ancient Islamic enemy. Most states are quite transitory. When they go away, we find other allies.
One soul allowed to go to hell through negligence in the persecution of the enemies of that soul's salvation is infinitely more tragic than any judicial inquiry leading to the speeding up of the physical demise of those persistent malefactors who would tempt that soul to perdition.
As to the crack about the "worldly desires of the Church and its State partners," your materialist jealousy is showing as well as your bigotry.
As Ludwig von Mises, one of the 20th century's best minds, observed to Ayn Rand in 1961: "So, you are the silly woman who thinks that you can be free without God!....."
Umba gumba.
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The Latin language is not ‘dead’. A dead language is one that no new words are added to it. The Pope has a secretary whose job is to add words to the Latin language. E.G. Vehiculens movens sese for car. Idiom, yes, but new words nonetheless.
The English language is beautiful because you can take a noun and turn it into a gerund, much like the ‘swift-boating’ or my favorite, since I am a high school Latin teacher: ‘texting’. Go back and find a good 1900 era unabridged dictionary, and see just how many words we take for granted are now in the language/lexicon.
Oh, and for those who are wondering about the Scriptures: the Vulgate Bible was called that because the Latin word for ‘common’ and ‘ordinary’ is vulgus. The ‘common’ Bible was the Vulgate because it didn’t matter if your native language was French, Italian, German, etc. You could read the Bible in the Vulgate.
Speaking of Vulgates, anyone have a spare Pre-Clementine Vulgate lying around that I could have?;)
Latin lives! Cicero would not be surprised.
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