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Baltimore Sun: Hillary is no Republican-Slayer
The Baltimore Sun ^ | November 21, 2007 | Thomas F. Schaller

Posted on 11/24/2007 12:21:27 AM PST by Senator Goldwater

"For 15 years I have stood up against the right-wing machine, and I've come out stronger," Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said at a Democratic presidential debate this year. "So if you want a winner who knows how to take them on, I'm your girl."

Again and again, Mrs. Clinton tells Democratic primary voters she can win the 2008 general election because she knows how to fight the Republicans. And it's true that probably no contemporary public figure outside her marriage has more experience fighting Republicans.

But fighting is not the same as winning. The truth is that Hillary Clinton's win-loss record in political conflicts with the Republicans isn't so great.

Yes, she handily won both of her Senate contests in New York. But her adopted home state isn't exactly unfavorable partisan terrain, and her opponents were none too impressive.

Of course, Mrs. Clinton's boasts are less about this decade than the last. So, how well did the Clintons fare against Republicans, the conservative movement and what Mrs. Clinton called the "vast, right-wing conspiracy"?

After the eight-year Clinton reign, the Republicans were in better shape.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrat; driveby; hillary; liberal; phoney
Schaller, a poly-sci professor at UMBC, is finally getting to the worst kept secret in politics: Hillary is an electoral loser. Her willing accomplices in the drive-by media are apparently the last to know. However, to see it printed in a liberal rag like the Baltimore Sun is refreshing and an indicator that buyer's remorse among Democrats may be beginning to settle in sixty days before the primaries begin. That, and her disastrous performance on the trail in recent weeks has not stemmed the tide from turning.
1 posted on 11/24/2007 12:21:29 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: Senator Goldwater

“But, given the impunity with which the Bush-Cheney administration has sanctioned torture and warrantless wiretapping”

Now, see, this is really puzzling to me...

Does this cortical paralytic really believe what he wrote here, or does he just feel justified in making the slur on the grounds that, “If it isn’t true, it should be”?

It would be interesting to have the opportunity to get some answers out of him.


2 posted on 11/24/2007 12:30:02 AM PST by dsc
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To: Senator Goldwater

there is going to be a point in the clitonista campaign that it will become evident that the only way to recapture their holy grail (1600 penn ave) is by locking hillary in a closet and bj campaigning full time on her behalf.
JMHO


3 posted on 11/24/2007 12:33:01 AM PST by JohnLongIsland
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To: Senator Goldwater
It’s has been calculated, by whom I don’t remember, that in a national political race the news media adds a 15-point edge to the Democrat candidate. But try as they might, the news media couldn’t disguise the impression—of most Americans—that John Kerry was a Martian. Hillary Clinton is going to be an even bigger challenge for the media. She and her campaign are antagonizing them by denying them access, going around them by using the internet, and attacking people like Tim Russert—who is no “right-wing conspiracy.”
4 posted on 11/24/2007 1:13:40 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Senator Goldwater
So this guys says Karl Rove and Andy Card are “operatives” and George Steoalloverus and Mack McLarty are “aides”, we know which side he is on.
5 posted on 11/24/2007 1:31:37 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Senator Goldwater

>>Schaller, a poly-sci professor at UMBC, is finally getting to the worst kept secret in politics: Hillary is an electoral loser. Her willing accomplices in the drive-by media are apparently the last to know.

Here is a better kept secret for you. Bill never won a majority either. Both times he was elected by less then half the vote, but the majority vote was split while other opposition voters were encouraged to just stay home, letting Bill slip by. The Newsweek 1992 post-election cover on Bill’s 43% vote was what a “Mandate for Change” he had received.

This appears to be the game plan yet again for Hillary, with the encouragement of a Ron Paul third party on one hand, and people like Charlie Rangel publicly gloating how people like Free Republic will sabotage the nominee and stay home if he isn’t 100% “pure”. It was a good plan before and judging by much written here, it still is a good plan.


6 posted on 11/24/2007 3:01:37 AM PST by tlb
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To: Senator Goldwater

7 posted on 11/24/2007 3:09:44 AM PST by ASA Vet
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To: dsc
given the impunity with which the Bush-Cheney administration has sanctioned torture and warrantless wiretapping

This kind of slander is how a liberal establishes their bona-fides with other liberals. Think of it as a "secret handshake".

:-)
8 posted on 11/24/2007 3:15:41 AM PST by cgbg (The fight has just begun against the bully (nanny) state.)
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To: cgbg

Then would the conservative secret handshake be punching this crapweasel in the mouth?


9 posted on 11/24/2007 4:06:11 AM PST by dsc
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To: JohnLongIsland

Don’t give them any ideas.

We’re scared of Hillary.

Terrified.

Every time she goes out to the plains and says she’s the only one who can fight the republicans, we tremor in our shoes.


10 posted on 11/24/2007 4:43:45 AM PST by sig226 (New additions to the list of democrat criminals - see my profile)
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To: Senator Goldwater
I have never, ever feared The Witch, like some. She is one of the stupidest women when forced to think on her feet and that can’t be hidden in a long POTUS campaign. She can not win unless helped by a lot of GOP voters. I fear USEFUL IDIOT HELPERS.
11 posted on 11/24/2007 4:54:18 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
A lot of voters will go to the polls and vote Against Hillary if she is the Democratic nominee. She has had a consistent long list of negatives. She is such a polarizing figure. My point is that they will not stay home, they will vote. They will hold their nose if necessary, but considering their options, they will vote. The alternative is unfathomable.

When I lived in Alaska, I enjoyed voting against a very liberal Republican Senator - TED Stevens. It was early in my learning, not to vote the ticket, but to support conservative nominees.

The democrats learned this by running supposedly conservative democrats and winning. However I did have enough sense not to vote for Jim Webb of VA

12 posted on 11/24/2007 5:06:09 AM PST by Dustoff45 (A non-posting Freeper produces fewer spelling errors)
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To: tlb
with the encouragement of a Ron Paul third party on one hand,

Ron Paul is not going to run on a 3rd Party.

What the GOP needs to do to beat any Democrat is field a real conservative, like Ron Paul, not these RINO's who give the Democrats a victory that they shouldn't have as was the case with Truman-Dewey, Carter-Ford, Clinton-Bush Sr., Clinton-Dole.

If we run a true conservative we will win, if we don't, they run to our right (as Hillary is positioning herself now) and beat us.

13 posted on 11/24/2007 5:07:33 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The MSM love to be abused by the Clintons. That makes them feel like they’ve been tough. That they’re just as tough on the Clintons as they are on the Republicans. See, why would the Clintons complain about the media so much, if the media were simply Clinton lapdogs. They is no limit to MSM self-delusion.


14 posted on 11/24/2007 5:14:53 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: Senator Goldwater

The beast will be a big time loser and she will pull the rat down by his ears across America. Read the London Telegraph piece posted above. She is hated beyond what the writer could imagine. When a ratmedia outlet like this even whispers this story down its sleeve on a Saturday, you know they KNOW more.


15 posted on 11/24/2007 5:20:35 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: jmaroneps37

I tend to think you are right that the Hill is the end of the line for the Left, if....she gets the nomination.


16 posted on 11/24/2007 5:52:12 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Senator Goldwater
Republican-Slayer

Slayer??
Oh, great! Get that image out of my head!
Hillary Michelle Gellar!

17 posted on 11/24/2007 5:56:57 AM PST by Tanniker Smith ("What are we doing tomorrow, Brain?" "Same thing we do every night, try to take over the world!")
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To: Brad from Tennessee

“Hillary Clinton is going to be an even bigger challenge for the media. “

One thing that people can’t stand is when someone is weak, and that is what Hillary shows when she whines about the VRWC or says a reasonable person like Russert is being partisan because he asked a question she didn’t like.

That was also one of Kerry’s problems. He came across as weak because he whine about the SwiftBoaters.

The Dems have to field a candidate that is a victim b/c that is their constituency, but the general populace can’t stand professional victims.


18 posted on 11/24/2007 5:57:16 AM PST by webstersII
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To: Brad from Tennessee

It was Newsweek’s Evan Thomas who admitted that the Drive-Bys’ support for Kerry-Edwards would give them the extra 15 points.


19 posted on 11/24/2007 5:59:11 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Miss Didi
Thanks. I couldn’t remember. Evan Thomas is an honest weasel.
20 posted on 11/24/2007 10:55:21 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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