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...and pardon these two!! (Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean)
The Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | Colin McNickle

Posted on 11/24/2007 5:16:09 AM PST by Salena Zito

... & pardon these 2 Saturday, November 24, 2007

The degrading, draconian and disgraceful incarceration of former Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean indicates President George W. Bush, the self-anointed compassionate conservative, is capable of stone-cold stupidity. By doing their duty along the near-lawless border with Mexico, Messrs. Ramos and Compean have become tragic symbols of this nation's gross incompetence regarding enforcement of immigration law.

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1 posted on 11/24/2007 5:16:11 AM PST by Salena Zito
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To: Salena Zito

I hope Bush isn’t planning to go to the Republican Convention in ‘08. He needs to be hidden away for the next 12 months.


2 posted on 11/24/2007 5:19:12 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: Salena Zito
Ramos and Compean have become tragic symbols of this nation's gross incompetence regarding enforcement of immigration law.

No, they have simply become the victims of "corrupt" New World Order, Globalist Elite Leaders who will let nothing or no one stand in the way of their agenda,...be it the drug trade or the NAU.

3 posted on 11/24/2007 5:19:52 AM PST by Ranger Drew
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To: Salena Zito

He is a social liberal and has been a disappointment to us who believed he would be a conservative President.


4 posted on 11/24/2007 5:19:58 AM PST by kindred (I am voting conservatives like Hunter,or Third Party. No vote for Rudy or other rinos.)
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To: Salena Zito
Bush blew chunks on this issue. They should be pardoned. It all goes back to his support for amnesty for illegals. He hasn't secured our borders. To this day, he still doesn't understand the level of anger the American people have on this.
5 posted on 11/24/2007 5:21:42 AM PST by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: MaestroLC
“To this day, he still doesn’t understand the level of anger the American people have on this.”

IMO he understands perfectly well, he just doesn’t care.

6 posted on 11/24/2007 5:28:09 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Salena Zito
This is the part that stinks:

But now Aldrete-Davila has been arrested again. He's charged with (surprise, surprise) marijuana trafficking. This, while profiting from the federal-immunity deal.
Per some reports, Aldrete-Davila pocketed well over $1Million from the US Government for his services in testifying against Ramos and Compean.
7 posted on 11/24/2007 5:30:33 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Salena Zito

I still say someone somewhere has him by the cojones over something concerning Mexico.


8 posted on 11/24/2007 5:30:59 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Did Eric Clapton sing a song about it?


9 posted on 11/24/2007 5:33:17 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: Comparative Advantage

Bush made a lot of commitments back in Texas, lots of promises. Cheap labor for your support.

His brother also is married to a Spanish Person.

Bush has one bad failing!! he don’t like to admit he is ever wrong on any subject. that is real bad


10 posted on 11/24/2007 5:46:11 AM PST by Mojohemi
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To: Comparative Advantage
We might be better off if he'd abdicate and leave Cheney in charge until a conservative Republican can take the reins in 2008.

Now. Where is that conservative Republican?

11 posted on 11/24/2007 5:46:53 AM PST by fweingart (Life's a bitch. So why vote for one?)
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To: Salena Zito

If Congress were really behind these two, they would retaliate against the Administration and the courts by reducing the penalty for a border control officer shooting, even killing an illegal immigrant entering the US down to a misdemeanor. Let the pro-immigration people feel the heat of a backlash.


12 posted on 11/24/2007 5:58:49 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Salena Zito

...and pardon these two!! (Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean)...

jorge bush...the first cheerleader of the illegals!!!!


13 posted on 11/24/2007 6:01:24 AM PST by nyyankeefan
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To: Salena Zito; bigjoesaddle; FryingPan101; AnimalLover; backtothestreets; Olephart; pulaskibush; ...

Texas 2 ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


14 posted on 11/24/2007 6:05:44 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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To: kindred

I agree with your statement wholeheartedly.

I cannot believe he has not pardoned these two Americans working for us and gave a drug dealer with an additional “hole” another chance to continue his illegal illegal existance.

Common sense has left the building.


15 posted on 11/24/2007 6:24:03 AM PST by YouGoTexasGirl
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To: Salena Zito

I would rather they be given a new trial based upon prosecutorial misconduct and the evil U.S. attorney be tried for his withholding of pertinent information, convicted, sentenced to a long prison term, and taught the words, “Would you like to super size that, sir?” when in the can.”


16 posted on 11/24/2007 6:24:08 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Salena Zito

Another view: George Bush, ignore the opinions of the prosecuters, the investigators, the other BP agents, the judge, the appeals court, and the jury, and substitute your own judgment based on the simple fact that two men were Border Patrol Agents and therefore incapable of being criminals.

Of course, if you say it that way, it doesn’t sound as good as when you slander the President and act like the entire world is on your side except there’s one guy who is stubbornly standing against the overwhelming evidence that your side is correct.


17 posted on 11/24/2007 6:26:05 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Comparative Advantage

Why, do you think you and one of your buddies will show up and do him harm? Because in general, among Republicans, the President is still well-received.

If you’d like to show up and shout at him for a while, I’m guessing you won’t find much welcome from those who don’t demonize people for not agreeing with them.


18 posted on 11/24/2007 6:28:21 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: TomGuy

bttt


19 posted on 11/24/2007 6:32:11 AM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: TomGuy

I have not read a single thing that says he’s being paid for his participation. So do you have a link to these stories?

Or maybe you are confusing the medical care he’s received to treat his wounds from what has been ruled an illegal shooting. Not that it matters, because United States policy is to provide medical treatment for all people who are shot by our law enforcement officers, regardless of whether the shooting was valid or not.

His injuries were severe, so I guess it’s possible, but not likely, that the total medical bill would add up to a million.

And of course, that treatment would not be conditioned on his testimony, so the statement would still be false.

There was a mention of how Sutton was going to help him with a 5-million-dollar lawsuit. I’ve heard nothing of that. Sutton dismissed that saying what he wanted to do was arrest him for drug smuggling. Sutton’s detractors scoffed at that, saying Sutton would never put his “good buddy” drug smuggler in jail.

Now of course Sutton HAS arrested him for drug smuggling, so we can see who was right and who was wrong on that matter.


20 posted on 11/24/2007 6:32:45 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Salena Zito

“..the self-anointed compassionate conservative, is capable of stone-cold stupidity>”

As well as consciuousless pandering to a foreign power - Mexioc and his “buddies” Vicente Fox and Calderon.


21 posted on 11/24/2007 6:33:51 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Comparative Advantage

Jorge El Segundo, El Gringo De Mejico will be the first President in history not invited to his won party’s nominating convention - if the Republican Party knows what’s best for it.


22 posted on 11/24/2007 6:35:01 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Mojohemi

“His brother also is married to a Spanish Person.”

“Jeb” who has the “Son of Jeb” waiting in the wings to assume the family mantle - and he is an unabashed RINO thinkinig his uncle is a bit conservative.


23 posted on 11/24/2007 6:36:24 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Brilliant

There is a reason why COngress’ approval ratings are even lowerer than the record breaking low ratings of this failed President - their inaction on issues like this is an example.


24 posted on 11/24/2007 6:37:32 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: nyyankeefan

PLEEASE Jorge El Segundo, El Gringo de Mejico - give him his proper title!!!


25 posted on 11/24/2007 6:38:19 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“Because in general, among Republicans, the President is still well-received.”

A truly amazing comment given his low ratings. My guess is he is more popular among Democrats - he and his administration are their secret weapon and I travel in Republican circles, being a long term Republican myself and to most of us, he is ANATHEMA.


26 posted on 11/24/2007 6:40:14 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

he should have been arrested the first time he was caught, perps that are americans plead down to lower charges, but from what i’ve seen in the criminal justice system very few get complete immunity from committing a crime to testify about another “crime” (which i believe that they were acting lawfully)

the second time definitely, how many americans get a “free pass” on drug dealing?

from what i understand this is the 3rd time the perp has been caught?

no telling how many other times he’s buzzed right in, although he sounds stupid


27 posted on 11/24/2007 6:41:37 AM PST by machogirl
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To: Salena Zito

If Scooter Libby had shot a drug dealer in the butt instead of obstructing justice and lying under oath he’d still be rotting in jail


28 posted on 11/24/2007 6:43:54 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
His injuries were severe

his injuries were hardly severe. He was shot in the @ss and with Sutton's help, able to smuggle more dope across the border in no time.

29 posted on 11/24/2007 7:31:35 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Brilliant
If Congress were really behind these two, they would retaliate against the Administration and the courts by reducing the penalty for a border control officer shooting, even killing an illegal immigrant entering the US down to a misdemeanor. Let the pro-immigration people feel the heat of a backlash. Brilliant that is brilliant. And I am not being a smart a$$. But why stop at misdemeanor?
30 posted on 11/24/2007 8:16:45 AM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Nuc1

Because you’ll have to override a veto, and it will never happen if you decriminalize it altogether. Actually, you would have a better chance if you make the misdemeanor apply only to incidents where the alien was not killed. Make it retroactive. That’s all that would be required to get these guys out of jail.


31 posted on 11/24/2007 8:19:48 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Good points. Even if vetoed it would serve notice.

As far as retroactive law making, I thought you were only allowed to do that with taxes on the rich?/s


32 posted on 11/24/2007 8:24:08 AM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Salena Zito

Thanx for the post.This “case” has bothered me since day one.Sorta reminds me of the Duke LaCrosse frame-up.These men shouldn’t have been prosecuted in the first place.Taking the word of a drug smuggler over two agents?WTF????Read an article yesterday(?)that the prosecutor w-held critical info pertaining to the case.The defence had both hands tied behind their backs.A pardon is a start.Next indict the prosecutor.Then sue the daylights out of the responsible parties.


33 posted on 11/24/2007 8:36:49 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: ZULU

W. buddy Johnny “Traitor” Sutton took a cut in pay to become W’s point man on the border.

Another old pal of W’s was appointed ambassador to Mexico, and married a Mexican beer billionairess. (Wonder where his loyalty lies?)

America is fast becoming a banana republic with nukes.


34 posted on 11/24/2007 8:42:29 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Nuc1

They could retroactively reduce the penalty. Can’t retroactively increase it.


35 posted on 11/24/2007 8:59:38 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Thombo2

“Taking the word of a drug smuggler over two agents?”

Are you referring to the jury of 12 that convicted them? Do you know how contradictory and unbelievable Ramos and Compeans testimony had to be for the jury to vote in fravor of the drug mules story?


36 posted on 11/24/2007 9:55:10 AM PST by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, there is one striking at its root)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


37 posted on 11/24/2007 10:14:32 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: Travis McGee

The Bushes need to be flushed from the American body politic. And those Congresscritters in the House of Lords (Senate) and The House of Representatives, as well as all local offices who continue to pander this invasion by illegal aliens need to be flushed out of office also.


38 posted on 11/24/2007 10:25:22 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
Take the clintons with them.bush clinton then bush , now another clinton. But of course the game is not rigged.
39 posted on 11/24/2007 10:40:11 AM PST by fantom
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To: ZULU

Rumanian terms limits would not be too good for them.


40 posted on 11/24/2007 11:42:11 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Salena Zito

free these guys already. geesh, jailed for doing what is on their job description.


41 posted on 11/24/2007 11:54:00 AM PST by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END Welfare)
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To: Bob J

“Taking the word of a drug smuggler over two agents?”
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Their defense arguments were restricted by the gov’t (Sutton) ,, the jury never heard that the “witness” was a drug smuggler, it was suppressed.


42 posted on 11/24/2007 12:55:42 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Salena Zito

Has anyone asked those running on the GOP ticket if they would pardon the two if elected president?


43 posted on 11/24/2007 1:01:02 PM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: Bob J

No...Please enlighten me #48:)


44 posted on 11/24/2007 1:20:09 PM PST by Thombo2
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To: fantom

The last decent President we had was Reagan. Eisenhower was O.K., but no outstanding individual. Nixon was a paranoid lying nut, Ford was a borderline imbicile and RINO, and the Democrats are not even worth criticizing, they were so low and contemptible from John Kennedy to Clinton - losers all.

America gets really bad Presidents for some reason. We were able to become a gerat nation in spite of our Presidents, not because of most them. And, in the past, God was good enough to give a few great men when we really needed them. I think His patience is up.


45 posted on 11/24/2007 1:59:09 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Comparative Advantage

Devoid of excrement.


46 posted on 11/24/2007 4:13:39 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: ZULU

Don’t knock the House, Zulu.....they listened to the people. The rest can eat excrement!


47 posted on 11/24/2007 4:15:08 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Travis McGee

Bush is a quisling!


48 posted on 11/24/2007 4:15:53 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

In my book he is.


49 posted on 11/24/2007 5:38:29 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

In my book also...............speaking of books : )

Number three is due


50 posted on 11/24/2007 5:42:23 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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