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Book Bucks Bombing Theories
NewsOK.com ^ | November 24, 2007 | Nolan Clay

Posted on 11/24/2007 7:04:14 AM PST by John W

A retired FBI deputy director reveals in a new book that a team of agents re-examined the Oklahoma City bombing case because of a resurgence in conspiracy theories in 2004 but found no new leads to check out.

"Their finding?” Weldon Kennedy wrote. "All participants and conspirators in the OKBOMB case were identified in the original investigation. There was no credible information uncovered indicating otherwise nor was there any avenue of investigation neglected.”

Kennedy, 69, oversaw the FBI's investigation of the bombing in the first couple of months after the attack on April 19, 1995. He spoke for the FBI at news conferences in Oklahoma City that were broadcast across the country.

He wrote about his experience in Oklahoma City in a memoir, "On-Scene Commander.”

Kennedy retired from the FBI in 1997 but told The Oklahoman he learned of the re-examination of the bombing case "through my continuing association with contemporaries in the FBI and so forth.”

"I've not seen any of the documents ... but I'm told that that review was very comprehensive and quite conclusive that there was ... no lead, no avenue unexplored, in the entire case,” he said in a telephone interview.

In his book and the interview, Kennedy was critical of conspiracy theorists who say the FBI didn't catch everyone involved.

"There's no possible way there were other conspirators,” he wrote. "I can say with total confidence that we identified all three conspirators in the case and arrested them.”

(Excerpt) Read more at newsok.com ...


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1 posted on 11/24/2007 7:04:14 AM PST by John W
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To: John W

Who was John Doe #2, and why didn’t the government want anyone who had seen him to testify at McVeigh’s trial? Why did the BATFE agents who worked in the building get a notice to take the day off? Why was Terrence Yeakey killed, but reported as a suicide?


2 posted on 11/24/2007 7:12:20 AM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: John W

I was just reading this on Fox

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312712,00.html

-snip-

In his book, Kennedy wrote that the mysterious “John Doe No. 2” turned out to be “someone’s memory playing tricks on him.” FBI sketches of “John Doe No. 2” were released worldwide after witnesses said that man was with McVeigh when the bomb truck was rented in Junction City, Kan.

Kennedy said he is certain there are no others involved in the bombing because McVeigh and Nichols used a telephone calling card — purchased under a fake name — in their plot to find bombing materials and to keep in contact. The FBI was able to track where the two called.

“If there in fact was another conspirator, I am absolutely convinced that we would have been able to identify him through the telephone (records) and through other investigation that we did which was exhaustive,” he said.

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3 posted on 11/24/2007 7:13:28 AM PST by RDTF ("Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear". Mark Twain)
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To: coloradan

And of you go through bomb damage calculations for an ANFO bomb, the lbs per square inch is not enough to shatter the concrete columns several yards away from the blast point. So why were these columns destroyed? Why was there such hast in tearing down the building?


4 posted on 11/24/2007 7:15:58 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: coloradan

Why was there no crater in the street? Why were there other explosives found in the rubble?


5 posted on 11/24/2007 7:17:48 AM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: RDTF
In his book, Kennedy wrote that the mysterious “John Doe No. 2” turned out to be “someone’s memory playing tricks on him.” FBI sketches of “John Doe No. 2” were released worldwide after witnesses said that man was with McVeigh when the bomb truck was rented in Junction City, Kan

Pretty unlikely for more than one person to have the exact same memory failure - good enough for a police sketch artist.

6 posted on 11/24/2007 7:19:48 AM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: John W

Who murdered Mike Loudenslager?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22Mike+Loudenslager%22+OKC


7 posted on 11/24/2007 7:22:43 AM PST by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: John W
--I'm not much of a believer in "conspiracies", but in this one I do think that the FBI and ATF did have at least some foreknowledge from the informers that "something" was afoot with McVeigh--

The incompetence of the FBI was demonstrated a few years ago when Terry Nichols fessed up to the fact that there were still explosives hidden in one of his homes, which hadn't been discovered--

8 posted on 11/24/2007 7:29:07 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: John W

This book has all the value of the Warren Commission. If there was a conspiracy, the last thing an FBI suit would want to do is expose it. Why indeed were some columns sheared off, while others that were closer to the truck bomb unaffected? Why was the crater so small? Why indeed was there such a rush to tear the building down, and bury the rubble under guard? Why were so very few of the confiscated video tapes (e.g. security videos from nearby stores) ever released or shown to the public? What about the video that showed McVeigh ordering a burger during the time he was allegedly somewhere else?


9 posted on 11/24/2007 7:29:59 AM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: John W
For no other reason than the sweeping absolutes he uses in his case-closed hyperbole, this guy discredits himself.

Kennedy retired from the FBI in 1997 but told The Oklahoman he learned of the re-examination of the bombing case "through my continuing association with contemporaries in the FBI and so forth.”

Oooh, now there's some heavy-duty gravitas. The impressive vitae entry, So-Forth.

I love this:
"'I've not seen any of the documents ... but I'm told that that review was very comprehensive and quite conclusive that there was ... no lead, no avenue unexplored, in the entire case,' he said in a telephone interview."

Well, alrighty then. He was told. By someone. Ya just don't get much more conclusive than that.

10 posted on 11/24/2007 7:30:22 AM PST by Eroteme
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To: John W

so..
the original AIC of the investigation now confirms that in the original work-
1. all participants and conspirators were identified
2. no credible information uncovered indicating otherwise
3. no avenue of investigation was neglected.
Really? Not ONE?

this is based on-
“I’ve not seen any of the documents ... but I’ve been told.”

Why can’t this country hold a real investigation into anything where true, unbiased experts do the work-
instead of everything being done by political hacks with a preset agenda?

In science this is called an “uncorroborated” proof.


11 posted on 11/24/2007 7:35:58 AM PST by vae_victus (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: John W
"I've not seen any of the documents ... but I'm told that that review was very comprehensive and quite conclusive that there was
... no lead, no avenue unexplored, in the entire case,” he said in a telephone interview.

Nada Nadim Prouty and Mr. Whitey Bulger, please pick up the white courtesy phones.

12 posted on 11/24/2007 7:36:17 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: John W
He may be telling the truth or he may just be covering up more. How can anyone tell? The problem is, there is no longer any good reason to trust the bald assertions of a government agent who has a vested interest in covering up any negligence or collusion with a previous cover up. Especially, given that this was a Clinton deal.

The most telling piece of evidence for me is how we were never allowed to hear a word from McVeigh and the lightning speed (no pun intended) with which he was executed. People on death row usually last ten or twelve years no problem. He was gone in what--two at the most?

13 posted on 11/24/2007 7:43:15 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: taxcontrol
"And of you go through bomb damage calculations for an ANFO bomb, the lbs per square inch is not enough to shatter the concrete columns several yards away from the blast point. So why were these columns destroyed? Why was there such hast in tearing down the building?"

You are right. If the building had been properly constructed, that ANFO blast shouldn't have done the damage it did. However, a shoddily built Federal Building, as this one appears to have been, could have been taken down by a lesser explosive charge than one would expect to use on a properly constructed building.

The haste in tearing down the remnants of this Federal Building could have been to hide the fact the tax payers had been ripped off and someone's "brother-in-law" made a profit from shabbily constructing the building in the first place.

Conspiracy theories sometimes make more sense if you look for a "greed" motive rather than some other nefarious plot.

14 posted on 11/24/2007 7:51:48 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: taxcontrol

Richard Clarke in his book, dismissed the two clowns charged as so incompetent that they couldn’t get a firecracker to go off by themselves. This guy is covering his butt for good reason.


15 posted on 11/24/2007 7:55:49 AM PST by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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To: John W

...and the famous camo clad leg minus the rest of the body?


16 posted on 11/24/2007 8:13:05 AM PST by wita
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To: John W

...and I would still be willing to bet, there is a muslim connection somewhere. This was also the time frame when numerous explained and unexplained aircraft accidents were taking place with JFK airport as a connection. How interesting that since 9-11 things of that nature have suddenly stopped.


17 posted on 11/24/2007 8:17:21 AM PST by wita
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To: John W
Still Waiting.
 

18 posted on 11/24/2007 8:52:07 AM PST by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: John W
So we are supposed to believe someone who "investigated" the FBI, yet was a former deputy director of the FBI and used FBI sources in his "investigation"?

What's next...an "objective investigation" of "An Inconvenient Truth" by Tipper Gore?

19 posted on 11/24/2007 9:11:45 AM PST by montag813
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To: wita
...and I would still be willing to bet, there is a muslim connection somewhere

The same FBI which refused to make arrests and issue warrants upon Saudi citizens (who later became 9/11 hijackers) pre-9/11--for fear of "offending" (official text from testimony) the Saudis. The same FBI which told us that the Salt Lake City Bosnian Muslim gunman had "no religious motives" before the bodies were even cold (despite what he himself was quoted by friends and family back home). The same FBI which told us that the Oklahama student who blew himself up on a park bench outside a loaded football stadium with explosives used by Al Queda and who had Jihad posters all over his dorm room had "no connection to Islam or jihad". The same FBI which holds a "Muslim Outreach Day" at their HQ every year.

Unless there is a videotaped confession by the terrorist and they can't suppress it, the FBI will not admit that any attempted or successful terror attack in America was the work of Muslim jihadists.

20 posted on 11/24/2007 9:19:53 AM PST by montag813
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To: John W

The dark-haired man of swarthy complexion that accompanied McVeigh at the Ryder rental office, and was seen walking away from the bomb-laden truck after it was parked under the Murrah building simply did not exist. He was a poltergeist, or something of like substance.
And Nichols’ several trips to consult with men of like appearance in the Phillipines were just sight-seeing jaunts.


21 posted on 11/24/2007 9:27:37 AM PST by Elsiejay (,)
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To: rellimpank

The ATF is the keystone cops of Federal Law Enforcement.


22 posted on 11/24/2007 9:35:02 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: DJ Taylor
I would love to get a few beers into one of the Loizeaux family and find out what they thought of the building's construction.
23 posted on 11/24/2007 9:36:57 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: Elsiejay
Many think he was this guy:

José Padilla (born October 18, 1970), also known as Abdullah al-Muhajir or Muhajir Abdullah, is a United States citizen convicted of aiding terrorists. Padilla was arrested in Chicago on May 8, 2002, and was detained as a material witness until June 9, 2002, when President Bush designated him an illegal enemy combatant and transferred him to a military prison, arguing that he was thereby not entitled to trial in civilian courts. However, on January 3, 2006, he was transferred to a Miami, Florida, jail to face criminal conspiracy charges. José Padilla was found guilty of all charges against him on August 16, 2007, by a federal jury, which found that he conspired to kill people in an overseas jihad and to fund and support overseas terrorism. He is scheduled to be sentenced on December 5, 2007.

24 posted on 11/24/2007 9:39:26 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: John W

Still ignoring Jayna Davis.............


25 posted on 11/24/2007 9:50:47 AM PST by Lexington Green (Not one dime to Hollywood traitors)
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To: RDTF

If I recall, John Doe #2 would have to be playing tricks with several different peoples’ memories at different times.

Wasn’t he with them at a diner and also with them answering the door at a hotel room?


26 posted on 11/24/2007 9:52:57 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: montag813

They also insisted for months that the Tampa Teen Terrorist (kamikaze pilot) had an accident and was not engaging in an act of terrorism despite the suicide note in his pocket beginning with the phrase the terrorist act I am about to commit (or some such, later the word terrorist was scratched out by someone, Bishra or someone else) and pledging support for Bin Laden.

He’d also made a threat in the note against the Super Bowl and perhaps that is why the letter was suppressed until after the big game. But they knowingly lied to the American public about a domestic (weak) terrorist attack.

Didn’t they also cover up the DC Snipers’ messages at first proclaiming jihad?


27 posted on 11/24/2007 9:59:49 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: RDTF

turned out to be “someone’s memory playing tricks on him.”


Gimme a break. Geez.


28 posted on 11/24/2007 10:58:45 AM PST by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush in 2008; mark my words.)
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To: John W

Of what possible interest is a new conspiracy book that denies all conspiracies except the official version? Is there no creative genius left since the Hollywood writers are on strike?


29 posted on 11/24/2007 11:01:34 AM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: John W
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30 posted on 11/24/2007 12:36:00 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Eroteme
For no other reason than the sweeping absolutes he uses in his case-closed hyperbole, this guy discredits himself.

even if only slightly. Very well said.

31 posted on 11/24/2007 12:41:04 PM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: John W; RDTF; All

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=172957

Long read,,,IMHO it’s good info...Better than the

Full of Bullshi’it Information we are being fed !!! ...


32 posted on 11/24/2007 12:52:22 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
Very interesting.

Was Nichols' wife Marife investigated? She must have known what was going on.

33 posted on 11/24/2007 12:56:29 PM PST by Jane Austen
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Not this time Chuckie. Put your stupid little meter away.


34 posted on 11/24/2007 1:06:09 PM PST by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: DJ Taylor
Conspiracy theories sometimes make more sense if you look for a "greed" motive rather than some other nefarious plot.

Very good point.

35 posted on 11/24/2007 1:06:10 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Jane Austen

Was Nichols’ wife Marife investigated? She must have known what was going on.
~~~
Yes,,,from what I have learned,,,she was,,,But,,,

That is more of the info that was swept under the rug,,,

She is in this up to her eyeballs,,,

She is/was the connection to the Abu Sayef cell in the

Philippines visited by Terry Nichols,,,

Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Mohammed were members of this cell,,

Those two assclowns,McVeigh and Nichols,couldn’t have built

a firecracker without help from the moozzis...


36 posted on 11/24/2007 3:13:33 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

That is what my husband says.


37 posted on 11/24/2007 3:15:09 PM PST by Jane Austen
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To: Jane Austen

He’s a very wise man...;0)


38 posted on 11/24/2007 3:22:02 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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The story is always the same.

Something terrible happens (during the Clinton Adminstration)

A Clinton appointed ‘head’ of some agency investigates.

Years later, that same person writes a book about it, which is published by a clandestinely funded book publisher.

Then the ‘retired’ so and so comes out in a newspaper interview and claims the story is still true.

1. Sell the story
2. Retire
3. Sell a book.
4. Sell the re-investigation
5. Sell an interview to the newspapers
6. Live nicely off the money put in your Swiss bank account from the Clinton’s siphoning off of federal funds.

I noticed that in the different ‘suicide’ investigations where the FBI was involved, the same ‘expert’ was called in.
He was known in FBI circles and Clinton Admin circles as “THE FIXER”.


39 posted on 11/24/2007 4:00:20 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: Calpernia; LibertyRocks; DAVEY CROCKETT; Velveeta; Founding Father

Ping.


40 posted on 11/24/2007 5:43:10 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (This is "Be an Angel Day", do something nice for someone today.)
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To: coloradan
How about the early reports of firefighters seeing munition stored under the building after the explosion(s) ripped it open? check youtube.

How about early news reports of multiple explosions and the ones that the removed and disarmed?

Still may too many questions. Any ex-govt agent has to have the book scrubbed by the agency anyway.

41 posted on 11/24/2007 6:47:48 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: K4Harty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BZHDiZR_kA


42 posted on 11/24/2007 6:57:16 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: mad_as_he$$

i worked on some video projects with the louizeaux, nice guys, but they would tell you no matter what the construction of a building is, it can come down with the setting of the right implosives...

teeman


43 posted on 11/24/2007 7:43:05 PM PST by teeman8r
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To: teeman8r
I understand they can take anything down. But I would like to know if it was poorly constructed - in their view. If it was then much of the "bomb was not big enough" stuff goes away.

On the other hand I have experimented with amfo over th years for excavation uses and found it to be quite potent if properly mixed.

44 posted on 11/25/2007 7:03:47 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

in my discussions, the buildings going up are all designed to come down easily because of the effieciency in the steel structures... support columns and knowing where to place the charges or cutting lines.... bombs the cut through steel to start the imploding process... gravity and mass do most of the work.

as for the ok building... what i know about it is any blast will deflect when it engages mass and forcing enrgy and debris towards a path of least resistance...

pelligrino’s book, ghosts of vesuvious and ghosts of the titanic are good reads on blasts and the pockets of safety within them... good reads.

but the fact that the ryder truck roof had less of substantial resistance than the sides, would tend to make the majority of the blast go up instead of out and the deflection or reverberation off the ground might have kept the blast from wiping out more of the ground floors keeping the building from total collapse.

teeman


45 posted on 11/25/2007 11:40:17 AM PST by teeman8r
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To: teeman8r
I agree about the roof and have a general understanding of how CDI works. I have watched every piece of video I can find on them going back years. I was a doubter about the OK explosion until Mythbusters blew up a concrete truck using a version of amfo that was dry. They topped off the mixing barrel which was half full of hardened concrete and lit it off. Very little truck left and the barrel was constructed of at least 1/4' steel - way stronger than the Ryder Truck. Now I am certain that in that case the concrete at the bottom helped focus the blast up but it was very impressive.

As far as OK city the damage looks consistent with the location of the truck, did they get McVeigh to park it in exactly the right place???

46 posted on 11/25/2007 11:50:19 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Illegal Immigration, a Clear and Present Danger.)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

It struck me as very odd that after about two days of reports that the FBI was seeking the dark-haired, swarthy complexioned “mystery” man, suddenly we were swamped with allegations that the underlying motivation for the Murrah Bldg. bombing stemmed from those nefarious volunteer civilian militias, a handy target group of citizens that, if they voted at all, would not have voted for Bill Clinton. Much effort was expended, with the full cooperation of the LibMSM, in establishing virtually out of whole cloth a link between McVeigh and “racist, Christian(?) separatist” militia crackpots that supposedly motivated him to hate the government.

In a like manner, the Clinton Machine chose to demonize the Nat’l Rifle Association as the culprits responsible for the Columbine High school shootings, another group of citizens that as a group failed to support the election of Clinton, but had nothing whatsoever to do with the tragic shootings.


47 posted on 11/25/2007 3:19:19 PM PST by Elsiejay (,)
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To: mad_as_he$$

too many coincidences not to suspect that the gubmint is not being forthright with us... padilla with ties to the phillipines as well as mcveigh’s buddy nichols... and padilla being “caught” coming from a training camp... why was he being watched...

the question is why aren’t they allowing the connection... too many security breaches and not enough legacy...

teeman


48 posted on 11/25/2007 4:49:23 PM PST by teeman8r
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To: taxcontrol
So why were these columns destroyed?

The building had an alcove on the side facing the blast. The blast would have imparted considerable upward force on the floor immediately above the alcove; it is entirely reasonable to believe that the joints between the pillars below the alcove and the members above were designed to resist downward force only (the upper members essentially resting on the lower ones). Since there should normally be a huge downward force and essentially zero upward force, this would not be a problem in any 'reasonable' scenario.

The blast, however, combined upward force on the floor above the alcove with lateral force on the pillars. Essentially, it lifted the floor off the pillars, swept them out of the way (easy once the floors above were no longer resting out of them), and then dropped the floor. Although columns failed that weren't over the alcove (I believe they were two such), those were the two columns that were closest to the blast, and they would have also been subject to considerable lateral stress from the failed parts of the building.

49 posted on 11/25/2007 8:55:57 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: John W
Is this the same FBI that went into the Waco Davidian compound full of women and children with tanks flying the American flag... and then lied their asses off about pyrotechnics and everything else?

Friggen stormtroopers. I used to respect those guys.

50 posted on 11/25/2007 9:10:41 PM PST by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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